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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:09:52 GMT
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Post by littlemore on Sept 3, 2017 10:09:52 GMT
What's everyone's thoughts of him 5 league games into the season. I've been to all the league games and I haven't been very impressed with him. Possibly had his best performance in spells in the first half yesterday. He came to the club with good reports from Wolves fans and Bolton fans said he was a good player. I know he isn't the quickest but you don't need to be quick to be a wide player or even to win games in this league. I think Pep can see he is struggling so it is only a matter of time before he loses his starting place. Sometimes players take a while to settle in so I won't right him off just yet but he needs to start doing more. Interested to hear others opinions.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:26:37 GMT
Post by Marked Ox on Sept 3, 2017 10:26:37 GMT
Too early to judge one way or the other as far as I'm concerned.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:29:22 GMT
Post by diagocostapacket on Sept 3, 2017 10:29:22 GMT
I thought in a couple of the early games he had the makings of a good understanding with Ribeiro and Nelson on the right.
I think he will be OK just needs to bed in and get a couple of good performances under his belt to get his confidence up.
That's what the game is all about.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:33:04 GMT
Post by uptheus on Sept 3, 2017 10:33:04 GMT
Not that impressed.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:37:49 GMT
Post by toucan on Sept 3, 2017 10:37:49 GMT
He was excellent in the first 20 mins against MK , but so were all the players. He needs space to be effective and operates best when his team are controlling the game. He has great control and awareness but lacks speed and aggression. Im sure there is much more to come. I have some Reading and Wolves supporting mates and they say he will get better through the season.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 10:40:32 GMT
Post by headingtonutd on Sept 3, 2017 10:40:32 GMT
Yup, a little early to judge but he is a clearly a clever footballer who seems to work hard and that's a good start. I think it's more about getting him in the right role. He's not a flying, counter attack winger and doesn't really offer us great width so needs to have Ribs or a 'Baldock' type right back bombing past him. He's the sort smart enough to sit in when they do and opposition would have to drop off him when the full back went past giving him space to work.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 3, 2017 11:13:52 GMT
Questionable. Looks unfit and slow. For a good 20 minutes before he was taken off yesterday he could barely run, and in all honesty didn't even look bothered about doing so. As soon as they were 1-on-1 with him yesterday I turned to my mate and went "This is the equaliser" and sure enough their lad drifts past him with ease and whips the ball into the corner.
Maguire was never the quickest but Henry is slower than him, less fit, doesn't work as hard and doesn't look like scoring half as many goals. Based on what I've seen so far I'd say he's a downgrade on a three year deal and, realistically, higher wages. He's also no younger.
Hopefully he will come good but I have serious concerns. At the very least the guy should be nowhere near a wide position where tracking back and defending is necessary.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
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Post by Young Money on Sept 3, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
He's too slow to play out wide, he would be an ok player centrally behind the striker but I agree definitely a downgrade from Maguire. I should think he'll be out of the team soon once the two new loanees bed in.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 13:51:33 GMT
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Post by Kris Grebis on Sept 3, 2017 13:51:33 GMT
Good ability, but I've always disliked one-paced players like him. It's so infuriating to watch him let an opposition player just stroll past.
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Henry
Sept 3, 2017 14:08:59 GMT
Post by monsieurgrumpy on Sept 3, 2017 14:08:59 GMT
Didn't see enough of his ability yesterday to comment on that but second half he looked downright lazy. And this was at a time when the momentum of the game was changing, and we needed "all hands to the pumps".
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Post by oxfordboy on Sept 3, 2017 14:12:38 GMT
Think it's time to try something different, ideally i'd like Gino and Hall to start next game with Obika up top, think that offers us a bit more pace and directness than we've had so far, I wouldn't mind Rothwell instead though, I think it's time for Henry to be dropped, just not contributing enough
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Henry
Sept 12, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
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Post by littlemore on Sept 12, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
Surely at risk of losing his place for Saturday. Not shown enough in my opinion to be starting and I'm yet to change my opinion that I made in my opening post.
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Henry
Sept 12, 2017 22:30:03 GMT
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Post by isibuko on Sept 12, 2017 22:30:03 GMT
He was dogshit today. Gino looked absolutely headless when he came on too (though at least he had attacking intent)
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Henry
Sept 12, 2017 22:32:19 GMT
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 12, 2017 22:32:19 GMT
If we had any other real options for wingers he'd probably be in trouble. GvK is naturally a striker who plays in a two and is having to settle for cameos out wide, because if he played 90 minutes out there we'd be too defensively exposed. Hall is the only natural wide player we have in the squad and because of this there's nobody else. If Johnson had stayed or we'd replaced him with another winger I don't think Henry would be starting as much. As it stands it looks like he's benefitting from a case of "well who else is going to play instead?"
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Henry
Sept 12, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
Post by uptheus on Sept 12, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
If we had any other real options for wingers he'd probably be in trouble. GvK is naturally a striker who plays in a two and is having to settle for cameos out wide, because if he played 90 minutes out there we'd be too defensively exposed. Hall is the only natural wide player we have in the squad and because of this there's nobody else. If Johnson had stayed or we'd replaced him with another winger I don't think Henry would be starting as much. As it stands it looks like he's benefitting from a case of "well who else is going to play instead?" Totally agree.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 5:47:38 GMT
He was dogshit today. Gino looked absolutely headless when he came on too (though at least he had attacking intent) He was headless , why u would choose to just run straight into a player rather than round him I don't know. But he gets in the positions. His shot forced the save that Thomas scored, and he nearly put one in at the far post across goal as well. I'd start him sat, ok he doesn't offer as much defensively as Henry, but then hall is hardly renowned for his tracking back and tackling on the other side. And in that role it is all about attacking, with Henry we get nothing at all down he left, and are totally reliant on hall.
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Post by shosho on Sept 13, 2017 6:41:50 GMT
He was dogshit today. Gino looked absolutely headless when he came on too (though at least he had attacking intent) He was headless , why u would choose to just run straight into a player rather than round him I don't know. But he gets in the positions. His shot forced the save that Thomas scored, and he nearly put one in at the far post across goal as well. I'd start him sat, ok he doesn't offer as much defensively as Henry, but then hall is hardly renowned for his tracking back and tackling on the other side. And in that role it is all about attacking, with Henry we get nothing at all down he left, and are totally reliant on hall. Having two wingers doing next to no defending would be carnage. Henry is having a tough time, in possession...out of it he still contributes. Im reserved on GVK, start with him and we have no real impact from the bench. Like MApp we keep it tight for 60mins, then get some pace on the pitch to stretch the opposition. Outside of the (current) first 11 and GVK we don't have anyone to make a real impact (Mowatt clearly has the ability).
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 13, 2017 6:51:31 GMT
By running into that defender it caused the 4 mins injury time.
I thought Henry wad average. He did some nice passes and some shite ones. Think he suffers a bit because hall Is sooo good on the right - it makes him look poor in comparison.
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Post by Yellow River on Sept 13, 2017 7:24:16 GMT
It takes some players longer to settle than others. Henry is improving (and getting fitter) with each game.
You need a few 'steady Eddies' in each side while the rest run riot.🙂
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Henry
Sept 13, 2017 7:55:10 GMT
Post by The Bearded Oxonian on Sept 13, 2017 7:55:10 GMT
Henry is very marmite it seems.
I wasn't overly impressed with him last night, but he does have a few bright sparks every game. I also don't think he will start on Saturday.
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Henry
Sept 13, 2017 8:07:38 GMT
Post by sheikdjibouti on Sept 13, 2017 8:07:38 GMT
I guess it all depends on what you are expecting him to deliver. He will never be a wide man like Hall and I said as much after the Portsmouth game. He doesn't have the pace to go round an opponent, so we shouldn't really expect that of him and neither should we expect what happens down our right flank to be mirrored in attacks down the left. Whilst Henry has great technique and (I think) ability and vision, he will never have the same attacking impact as Hall or GvK. He also looks out of sorts which only exposes the limitations even more. So this leaves us with two immediate problems. Firstly, Hall and the right becomes our only wide route to goal whilst Henry starts and any opposition team worth their salt will start to work that out (if they haven't already) and do what Bratfud did at times last night and get 2 or 3 around him. Not saying that snuffs out the attacking threat completely, but we need to be able to adapt and use that extra space created to our advantage and bring others into the game. Secondly, if we do want to attack at pace out wide on the left, then we are either relying on one of the central players to do this (which begs the question as to why Henry is playing out there) or we are relying on Ricardinho to overlap . . . which he simply doesn't have the legs to do all game long.... twice a week. The other way around this would be to start GvK out wide in an attempt to mirror the Hall-type impact. For me (as others have said) this is either defensive suicide and/or would negate any attacking threat for Ricardinho down that side. It would also leave us with less impact cover on the bench to chuck on against tired opposition defenders. I can't see any easy solution to this as wide left players with pace and also a bit of defensive nous are probably like rocking horse sh!t a this level. Oh well, still needs to be a priority in the next window to give us another dimension I think! We also better hope and pray that Hall can stay fit for the season and that bigger clubs with bigger bank balances don't come knocking in January too. Apart form that, it's all good
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 9:21:57 GMT
He was headless , why u would choose to just run straight into a player rather than round him I don't know. But he gets in the positions. His shot forced the save that Thomas scored, and he nearly put one in at the far post across goal as well. I'd start him sat, ok he doesn't offer as much defensively as Henry, but then hall is hardly renowned for his tracking back and tackling on the other side. And in that role it is all about attacking, with Henry we get nothing at all down he left, and are totally reliant on hall. Having two wingers doing next to no defending would be carnage. Henry is having a tough time, in possession...out of it he still contributes. Im reserved on GVK, start with him and we have no real impact from the bench. Like MApp we keep it tight for 60mins, then get some pace on the pitch to stretch the opposition. Outside of the (current) first 11 and GVK we don't have anyone to make a real impact (Mowatt clearly has the ability). Not sure about that, hall does close down even if he not the best tackler, and rothwell and lego are doing a great job chasing players. Also our lb and rb are probably the best they have been in a long while. Defensively we are very solid. Nothing against Henry, I think in a 442 he would be fine, BUT In this formation u are relying on the two wide players in the 3 to be ur main threat, obika lays off to them , Payne supplies them, they cut in and shoot. With Henry we are lop sided as it's only hall doing it . Hence why despite that 30 mins of outstanding football we didn't get a goal as we're relying on one player. As raw as gvk looks, he came on and got two decent shots away , 1 resulting in a goal
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Post by browny on Sept 13, 2017 10:01:57 GMT
Only point in starting GvK is that while it cannot be argued that he has come on after an hour and made an impact, we should not forget that someone has played the previous hour and been working the full back to that point and created some of tiredness that GvK benefits from
Henry is an easy target (and there seems always to have to be one) but I liked his movement and involvement last night. He does not have the visual impact that Hall has but was part of a very impressive attacking display last night
I fear that many have already written their synopsis of Henry's performance long before the referee blows the whistle to kick off
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 10:56:18 GMT
I don't think he's being made out to be a scape goat at all, he's clearly a good player. Just being asked to play in a role that doesn't suit his skill set, bit like Johno at lb. someone said he's a marmite player, I like marmite but on my toast not so much when I put it on a Sunday dinner. I honestly think if we had a Jordan graham type player the other side to hall and obika , we would have gone 1/2 up in that first 30 mins and killed the game off early
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Post by newyorkyellow on Sept 13, 2017 11:06:35 GMT
I know this is a thread about Henry but I think we're being harsh on GVK. He's erratic no doubt about it but as well as his shot setting up the first (how many times have we been frustrated we don't shoot enough?) his pass to Rothwell for the 2nd goal was exquisite. GVK needs to be on the bench, he is great to bring on as an impact sub. I said in another post he just needs some basic coaching defensively and on his decision making going forward. But his power and pace is tremendous and for me he's caused problems time and again coming off the bench.
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Post by grenobleroad on Sept 13, 2017 11:12:43 GMT
I know this is a thread about Henry but I think we're being harsh on GVK. He's erratic no doubt about it but as well as his shot setting up the first (how many times have we been frustrated we don't shoot enough?) his pass to Rothwell for the 2nd goal was exquisite.GVK needs to be on the bench, he is great to bring on as an impact sub. I said in another post he just needs some basic coaching defensively and on his decision making going forward. But his power and pace is tremendous and for me he's caused problems time and again coming off the bench. To be fair his best pass of the night was when he hit a shot that looked like it was going to hit the back of the east stand and found Rob Hall on the right hand side of the pitch. Tremendous vison and skill.
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Post by newyorkyellow on Sept 13, 2017 11:20:03 GMT
I know this is a thread about Henry but I think we're being harsh on GVK. He's erratic no doubt about it but as well as his shot setting up the first (how many times have we been frustrated we don't shoot enough?) his pass to Rothwell for the 2nd goal was exquisite.GVK needs to be on the bench, he is great to bring on as an impact sub. I said in another post he just needs some basic coaching defensively and on his decision making going forward. But his power and pace is tremendous and for me he's caused problems time and again coming off the bench. To be fair his best pass of the night was when he hit a shot that looked like it was going to hit the back of the east stand and found Rob Hall on the right hand side of the pitch. Tremendous vison and skill. Haha yes, I said he was erratic... I have to say that is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on a football pitch in a while. The shot's trajectory was possibly going over the east stand if he didn't slice it!!!
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Henry
Sept 13, 2017 11:28:17 GMT
Post by grenobleroad on Sept 13, 2017 11:28:17 GMT
To be fair his best pass of the night was when he hit a shot that looked like it was going to hit the back of the east stand and found Rob Hall on the right hand side of the pitch. Tremendous vison and skill. Haha yes, I said he was erratic... I have to say that is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on a football pitch in a while. The shot's trajectory was possibly going over the east stand if he didn't slice it!!! Yep, funniest thing since Julian Alsop's scorpion kick in front of the east stand!
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Post by makv on Sept 13, 2017 20:58:29 GMT
I don't think he's being made out to be a scape goat at all, he's clearly a good player. Just being asked to play in a role that doesn't suit his skill set, bit like Johno at lb. someone said he's a marmite player, I like marmite but on my toast not so much when I put it on a Sunday dinner. I honestly think if we had a Jordan graham type player the other side to hall and obika , we would have gone 1/2 up in that first 30 mins and killed the game off early Marmite works well in gravy. Just don't tell people when you do.
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Post by makv on Sept 13, 2017 21:13:48 GMT
I know this is a thread about Henry but I think we're being harsh on GVK. He's erratic no doubt about it but as well as his shot setting up the first (how many times have we been frustrated we don't shoot enough?) his pass to Rothwell for the 2nd goal was exquisite.GVK needs to be on the bench, he is great to bring on as an impact sub. I said in another post he just needs some basic coaching defensively and on his decision making going forward. But his power and pace is tremendous and for me he's caused problems time and again coming off the bench. To be fair his best pass of the night was when he hit a shot that looked like it was going to hit the back of the east stand and found Rob Hall on the right hand side of the pitch. Tremendous vison and skill. It was very windy
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