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Post by yellowoptimist on Sept 2, 2017 19:24:25 GMT
He was superb today. Just a shame that he fluffed his lines on the late chance,
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Obika
Sept 2, 2017 19:26:32 GMT
Post by oxfordboy on Sept 2, 2017 19:26:32 GMT
As far as bad decisions go that was almost as bad as it gets, still as you say he had a really good game.
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Post by TheNewManor on Sept 2, 2017 19:52:08 GMT
He'll be a real feature this campaign. As with all the players - give them a chance and time. We haven't found our rhythm yet. I'm pleased we have such a physical forward. I went to the Shrews game and couldn't believe the units they had in defence - or even all over the field! Today's goal was typical of our team, nice little passing, but their will be games where we just need physical presence. I'm saying 12+ goals.
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Obika
Sept 2, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
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Post by daveoufc on Sept 2, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
Probably the wrong decision at the end but thats just a striker full of confidence trying to lob the keeper and get himself on the scoresheet doubt it even crossed his mind to square it to his team mate who was better placed.
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Obika
Sept 2, 2017 20:26:33 GMT
Post by oxfordboy on Sept 2, 2017 20:26:33 GMT
Probably the wrong decision at the end but thats just a striker full of confidence trying to lob the keeper and get himself on the scoresheet doubt it even crossed his mind to square it to his team mate who was better placed. Better placed is an understatement, he was clean through one on one
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Sept 2, 2017 20:50:08 GMT
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Post by ontheup01 on Sept 2, 2017 20:50:08 GMT
He was superb today. Just a shame that he fluffed his lines on the late chance, 👍
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Post by eraser on Sept 2, 2017 21:05:34 GMT
Can never blame a striker for trying especially at League 1 level. Decision making is a skill and if that had been an Alli and Kane combo at Spurs there would have been an argument to moan! How many times have we said "someone shoot for goodness sake" rather than pass sideways round the box...?
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Obika
Sept 2, 2017 21:17:44 GMT
Post by foley on Sept 2, 2017 21:17:44 GMT
Can never blame a striker for trying especially at League 1 level. Decision making is a skill and if that had been an Alli and Kane combo at Spurs there would have been an argument to moan! How many times have we said "someone shoot for goodness sake" rather than pass sideways round the box...? Not sure that I agree with that. Gino was free with a one on one with the keeper. Obika had two defenders round him and chose to shoot (blasted it over the Bar). Had he squared it we would probably have had three points. At whatever level it was a poor decision
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 2, 2017 21:17:59 GMT
In that situation you have to pass. Defender was cutting him off with gvk wide open on the left. Defender did well as first he covered the pass then cut off obika. Obika had about a second chance to put gvk in but missed it.
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Obika
Sept 2, 2017 22:34:24 GMT
Post by taffyewe on Sept 2, 2017 22:34:24 GMT
Doesn't matter what level you are, it's about intelligence and the collective effort. Robson Kanu did exactly the same thing for Wales tonight......except slightly worse in that he opted not to pass to Bale! Pep needs to have a chat with all players about this, so it does not happen again. Always pass to the player in the best position.
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Obika
Sept 3, 2017 6:33:41 GMT
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Post by leysboy on Sept 3, 2017 6:33:41 GMT
He played very well yesterday. I was so pleased Pep started him, but his choice to shoot was silly. It was easier to pass to Van Kessel, rather than go for goal.
We should of won the game, we had 4 great chances to finish them off yesterday. It felt to me like 2 points dropped!
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Sept 3, 2017 6:59:05 GMT
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Post by dubaiyellow on Sept 3, 2017 6:59:05 GMT
Can never blame a striker for trying especially at League 1 level. Decision making is a skill and if that had been an Alli and Kane combo at Spurs there would have been an argument to moan! How many times have we said "someone shoot for goodness sake" rather than pass sideways round the box...? Not sure that I agree with that. Gino was free with a one on one with the keeper. Obika had two defenders round him and chose to shoot (blasted it over the Bar). Had he squared it we would probably have had three points. At whatever level it was a poor decision Agreed. I kept shouting at the telly to put him (gino) in. But he didn't. At least test the keeper. He also missed another good chance in the first half with a very tame effort. That said, was a good overall performance and i think he did enough to deserve a start again next week.
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Post by headingtonutd on Sept 3, 2017 7:21:25 GMT
Obika had a good game yesterday and just needs more games and some confidence. He is strong, has pace, can hold the ball up and has enough skill to beat his man. As for if he should have squared, of course he should and it should have been early, once he hesitated the chance was lost and the shot was weak but with more games and confidence under his belt, he'll do better with those. The morons sat behind me who shouted plenty after that about him being a shit Swindon reject obviously missed the rest of what was a very promising performance by him.
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Obika
Sept 3, 2017 8:05:33 GMT
Post by ontheup01 on Sept 3, 2017 8:05:33 GMT
Obika had a good game yesterday and just needs more games and some confidence. He is strong, has pace, can hold the ball up and has enough skill to beat his man. As for if he should have squared, of course he should and it should have been early, once he hesitated the chance was lost and the shot was weak but with more games and confidence under his belt, he'll do better with those. The morons sat behind me who shouted plenty after that about him being a shit Swindon reject obviously missed the rest of what was a very promising performance by him. Have to agree with you, potentially a very good signing. The fact that he used to play for the scum is now History. Let's hope he slots a few in soon and wins over the fans. Of course, people have their opinions and biases on players, and they are entitled to hold them thats football.
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Post by leicesteryellow2461 on Sept 3, 2017 10:36:22 GMT
Anyone know which Oxford "fans" are shouting scum every time Obika gets the ball? I heard all game yesterday was to left of goal around lower third, whoever they are need teaching that he snubbed a new contract at swinedon to join Oxford, he wears yellow now!
Really do have some idiot fans!!
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Post by headingtonutd on Sept 3, 2017 10:52:54 GMT
Anyone know which Oxford "fans" are shouting scum every time Obika gets the ball? I heard all game yesterday was to left of goal around lower third, whoever they are need teaching that he snubbed a new contract at swinedon to join Oxford, he wears yellow now! Really do have some idiot fans!! Yup they were just behind us I think. You must have been just in front of us. Morons, didn't have a clue. They were berating him for not charging down the keeper from 20 yards when the keeper was already about to kick. 'Swindon scummer' came out a lot too. It appears they missed all the hard work, hold up play and nice little touches to lay people off. Apparently he was shit and needed subbing.
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Post by gilgy on Sept 3, 2017 11:02:15 GMT
As people have indicated above... Wrong decision at the end yesterday, great apart from that. But isn't it good to finally have a striker who will just go for it? Think that attitude alone will get us 10+ goals
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Post by makv on Sept 3, 2017 12:44:47 GMT
The morons sat behind me who shouted plenty after that about him being a shit Swindon reject obviously missed the rest of what was a very promising performance by him. They also need to have a teeny tiny little think about what "Swindon reject" actually implies about OUFC…
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Sept 3, 2017 13:35:10 GMT
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Post by Young Money on Sept 3, 2017 13:35:10 GMT
Can never blame a striker for trying especially at League 1 level. Decision making is a skill and if that had been an Alli and Kane combo at Spurs there would have been an argument to moan! How many times have we said "someone shoot for goodness sake" rather than pass sideways round the box...? We moan when they pass sideways around the box when it's against a packed defence and there's no invention, why not try a shot from distance. I don't think anyone would have moaned if he'd tried to put through another player who was clean through!! That said I really rate Obika. And he's not a Swindon reject in that they wanted to keep him...
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Post by littlemore on Sept 3, 2017 13:51:19 GMT
Obika opens up the game for others around him which may mean he doesn't score every week but will be a key player. I'm happy if he leads to line up front as he offers more than the other strikers in the formation. He does need to improve his decision making but this will improve as he gets more game time and adapts to the style of play.
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Obika
Sept 3, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
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Post by yellowbow on Sept 3, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
Obika opens up the game for others around him which may mean he doesn't score every week but will be a key player. I'm happy if he leads to line up front as he offers more than the other strikers in the formation. He does need to improve his decision making but this will improve as he gets more game time and adapts to the style of play. I agree, but the same was said about Taylor and it quickly became apparent that that wasn't good enough for a lot of people. I suppose the key is that it doesn't matter who's getting the goals as long as somebody is. Unfortunately for centreforwards, by nature when the goals dry up for a team they get the blame no matter what else they're contributing
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 3, 2017 15:39:14 GMT
Forwards generally don't score goals the way they used to in the modern game, because the way teams play and set up is so vastly different. Most teams now play one up front with others pushing on from midfield to join in the attacks. If anything the job of the forward now is about providing assists and acting as a distraction / nuisance to create space for the on rushing attacking midfield players. Obika isn't supposed to score 15-20 goals - that isn't the point of him. It wasn't the point of Taylor either. Unfortunately a lot of football fans aren't very clever and still believe that 4-4-2 is the only formation you can ever succeed with at any level, and that any player deemed to be playing 'up front' should be getting a goal every other game to be considered useful. If Obika started the next 20 games and only scored five goals, but the three midfielders and wingers behind him all scored 10 goals each, loads of people would moan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it.
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Sept 3, 2017 15:55:47 GMT
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 3, 2017 15:55:47 GMT
Forwards generally don't score goals the way they used to in the modern game, because the way teams play and set up is so vastly different. Most teams now play one up front with others pushing on from midfield to join in the attacks. If anything the job of the forward now is about providing assists and acting as a distraction / nuisance to create space for the on rushing attacking midfield players. Obika isn't supposed to score 15-20 goals - that isn't the point of him. It wasn't the point of Taylor either. Unfortunately a lot of football fans aren't very clever and still believe that 4-4-2 is the only formation you can ever succeed with at any level, and that any player deemed to be playing 'up front' should be getting a goal every other game to be considered useful. If Obika started the next 20 games and only scored five goals, but the three midfielders and wingers behind him all scored 10 goals each, loads of people would moan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it. I struggle to see an attack of Obika, Payne, Henry and Hall scoring enough goals to get us into the play offs, hope I am wrong but those four as an attacking unit don't inspire confidence.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 3, 2017 15:57:54 GMT
Forwards generally don't score goals the way they used to in the modern game, because the way teams play and set up is so vastly different. Most teams now play one up front with others pushing on from midfield to join in the attacks. If anything the job of the forward now is about providing assists and acting as a distraction / nuisance to create space for the on rushing attacking midfield players. Obika isn't supposed to score 15-20 goals - that isn't the point of him. It wasn't the point of Taylor either. Unfortunately a lot of football fans aren't very clever and still believe that 4-4-2 is the only formation you can ever succeed with at any level, and that any player deemed to be playing 'up front' should be getting a goal every other game to be considered useful. If Obika started the next 20 games and only scored five goals, but the three midfielders and wingers behind him all scored 10 goals each, loads of people would moan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it. I struggle to see an attack of Obika, Payne, Henry and Hall scoring enough goals to get us into the play offs, hope I am wrong but those four as an attacking unit don't inspire confidence. I've just felt a twinge.
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Post by yellowbow on Sept 3, 2017 16:01:31 GMT
My point exactly. A good centre forward plays with his back to goal, controlling balls pinged into him from all angles and bringing other attacking players into the game while taking the battering from the centre backs. I can't be bothered to go through the stats but I bet when a team play with the likes of Taylor up front they create more scoring chances, including free kicks around the opposite penalty box and corners. Unfortunately if the CF sets chances up on a plate for team mates that are conitunually squandered it's him that carries the can because HE'S not scoring enough goals, not the team.
It's always been the same, I bet if you asked Aldridge and Keegan, they're say they scored more goals while playing alongside Hamilton and Toshack and they weren't necessar scoring machines in comparison
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Post by jambon46 on Sept 3, 2017 21:04:12 GMT
Forwards generally don't score goals the way they used to in the modern game, because the way teams play and set up is so vastly different. Most teams now play one up front with others pushing on from midfield to join in the attacks. If anything the job of the forward now is about providing assists and acting as a distraction / nuisance to create space for the on rushing attacking midfield players. Obika isn't supposed to score 15-20 goals - that isn't the point of him. It wasn't the point of Taylor either. Unfortunately a lot of football fans aren't very clever and still believe that 4-4-2 is the only formation you can ever succeed with at any level, and that any player deemed to be playing 'up front' should be getting a goal every other game to be considered useful. If Obika started the next 20 games and only scored five goals, but the three midfielders and wingers behind him all scored 10 goals each, loads of people would moan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it. Agree 100%, Obika will create chances for Payne etc... but he will always get flack for lack of goals, yet no credit for his support work in the same way Taylor did, I guess that's just how fans look at things.
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Sept 4, 2017 7:47:12 GMT
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Post by gilgy on Sept 4, 2017 7:47:12 GMT
Also it's been said before bed not sure if it's since been sorted - me now on something of an exile - Obika needs his own song. Can't just sing 7 in a row when he comes on.
How about (tune of Maguires old song). Obika, ohh, Obika, ohhh. He joined us from the scum, to stay up in league 1.
Or does that mute the point?
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Obika
Sept 5, 2017 17:10:23 GMT
Post by trickyricky on Sept 5, 2017 17:10:23 GMT
He played very well yesterday. I was so pleased Pep started him, but his choice to shoot was silly. It was easier to pass to Van Kessel, rather than go for goal. We should of won the game, we had 4 great chances to finish them off yesterday. It felt to me like 2 points dropped! He has probably seen GVK's first touch and thought the best chance of scoring is to shoot himself!
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Sept 5, 2017 20:38:06 GMT
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 5, 2017 20:38:06 GMT
Forwards generally don't score goals the way they used to in the modern game, because the way teams play and set up is so vastly different. Most teams now play one up front with others pushing on from midfield to join in the attacks. If anything the job of the forward now is about providing assists and acting as a distraction / nuisance to create space for the on rushing attacking midfield players. Obika isn't supposed to score 15-20 goals - that isn't the point of him. It wasn't the point of Taylor either. Unfortunately a lot of football fans aren't very clever and still believe that 4-4-2 is the only formation you can ever succeed with at any level, and that any player deemed to be playing 'up front' should be getting a goal every other game to be considered useful. If Obika started the next 20 games and only scored five goals, but the three midfielders and wingers behind him all scored 10 goals each, loads of people would moan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it. I'm afraid that I don't think it is as simple as that. Top-class target men at any level DO score a hatful. C.f. Harry Kane, Billy Sharp, ibrahimovic, Costa, Drogba the list goes on. But those players are gold dust, at whichever level they are playing at (I included Sharp to show that it is not purely a top-flight thing. Remember Paul Moody? Happy playing on his own upfront - big, mobile, caused a nuisance, scored goals. And that was at this level. Steve Morison at Millwall last year? Do I need to go on? 442 is actually a newish system.The old-fashioned one had a centre forward with two inside forwards. That is somewhat akin to what many teams play today. There's nothing new under the sun! But what is consistent is that the players up the top of the pitch need to score and create goals as a unit. In the last three league games, we have scored 2 goals. Rob Hall and Gino. So when our centre forward butchers a great opportunity to win the game he is going to come under the microscope a bit. He clearly has great physical attributes, but there will be reasons why - in his mid 20s - he hasn't yet made it. And getting a player to change at this point in their career is tough. I'd imagine that he is going to do the odd thing that makes us jump out of our seats and the odd thing that is going to make us tear our hair out. And will probably get 10 or so league goals and we will feel like he could have got more.
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Sept 5, 2017 20:52:07 GMT
Post by foley on Sept 5, 2017 20:52:07 GMT
oan that he doesn't score enough and that we're lucky our midfield is carrying him by scoring so many goals themselves. I can see it now and it's giving me heart palpitations just thinking about it. But what is consistent is that the players up the top of the pitch need to score and create goals as a unit. In the last three league games, we have scored 2 goals. Rob Hall and Gino. So when our centre forward butchers a great opportunity to win the game he is going to come under the microscope a bit. He clearly has great physical attributes, but there will be reasons why - in his mid 20s - he hasn't yet made it. And getting a player to change at this point in their career is tough. I'd imagine that he is going to do the odd thing that makes us jump out of our seats and the odd thing that is going to make us tear our hair out. And will probably get 10 or so league goals and we will feel like he could have got more. I may well be wrong but reckon Obika could be quite a star this season. He hasn't made it yet but Spurs had him for 6 years so must have seen something in him. Sure his judgement needs to be better but if he were to score 2-3 goals in successive games it would be good to see him full of confidence.
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