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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 9, 2017 9:27:59 GMT
Oh I'm over it, I don't really care that we're out of the league cup. But the only way u can describe last night as entertainment is if u are a neutral having seen a lot of goals, or a ctfc fan as despite being poor came from 2 goals down to win. From an oufc point of view it was a poor game, lack of effort by some, lack of ability by others. I'm more than happy with being a average l1 side, I've watched us at every level bar the top flight, and from half time onwards that was as bad a display as I've witnessed in 30 years. Two great goals and no injuries being the only positives for me So while I don't think it will define our season, or that it's the end of the world we're out, I won't gloss over it and pretend it was enjoyable. It really wasn't, I've never left a game early. I was f*cking tempted when it went to injury time.
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Post by johnf on Aug 9, 2017 9:57:54 GMT
The only positive thing you could say about last night was that the pitch looked good. But nobody will remember last night if we beat Portsmouth on Saturday. Really looking forward to it. COYY
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 9, 2017 10:03:44 GMT
Pleased I stayed at home. I have a feeling we are going to have one of those great away, mediocre at home seasons again. (Like every season seemingly.) Can we cope with opponents that sit in and then break on us? Don't think the attitude of some of our supporters helps. All I can say is I will never forget May 2006 and the Tonbridge Angels debacle. Must be frustrating though to those who don't go on the road with the yellows. Probably the attitude of so-called fans who stay at home helps least all? At least, having not bothered to turn up, spare us your ill thought-through opinions on the game. Cheltenham did not 'sit deep'. They squeezed us back with a high press which forced us into playing sideways in our own half. They had a strong central midfielder - atangana? - who strong-armed Ledson, his opposite number, and a lively left winger who gave ribeiro and Martin a very tough time. It was a 'bad night at the office' that probably doesn't tell us anything more than that the irrational optimists (yes, that's you) who have been insisting that we are far stronger than last year are not (yet) correct. There is a lot of teamwork to be done, some elderly bodies to be got fit and kept fit and some leadership that needs to be shown from top down. Watching the players argue over who takes penalties 20 minutes in was a sobering moment after the professionalism of recent times.
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Post by hackneyjack on Aug 9, 2017 10:08:26 GMT
The only positive thing you could say about last night was that the pitch looked good. But nobody will remember last night if we beat Portsmouth on Saturday. Really looking forward to it. COYY I love this re pitch ! Hah haah !
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Post by hackneyjack on Aug 9, 2017 10:10:01 GMT
Pleased I stayed at home. I have a feeling we are going to have one of those great away, mediocre at home seasons again. (Like every season seemingly.) Can we cope with opponents that sit in and then break on us? Don't think the attitude of some of our supporters helps. All I can say is I will never forget May 2006 and the Tonbridge Angels debacle. Must be frustrating though to those who don't go on the road with the yellows. Probably the attitude of so-called fans who stay at home helps least all? At least, having not bothered to turn up, spare us your ill thought-through opinions on the game. Cheltenham did not 'sit deep'. They squeezed us back with a high press which forced us into playing sideways in our own half. They had a strong central midfielder - atangana? - who strong-armed Ledson, his opposite number, and a lively left winger who gave ribeiro and Martin a very tough time. It was a 'bad night at the office' that probably doesn't tell us anything more than that the irrational optimists (yes, that's you) who have been insisting that we are far stronger than last year are not (yet) correct. There is a lot of teamwork to be done, some elderly bodies to be got fit and kept fit and some leadership that needs to be shown from top down. Watching the players argue over who takes penalties 20 minutes in was a sobering moment after the professionalism of recent times. So as I mainly go to only away games, am I too a "so-called fan", Charlie?
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 9, 2017 10:28:34 GMT
Pleased I stayed at home. I have a feeling we are going to have one of those great away, mediocre at home seasons again. (Like every season seemingly.) Can we cope with opponents that sit in and then break on us? Don't think the attitude of some of our supporters helps. All I can say is I will never forget May 2006 and the Tonbridge Angels debacle. Must be frustrating though to those who don't go on the road with the yellows. Probably the attitude of so-called fans who stay at home helps least all? At least, having not bothered to turn up, spare us your ill thought-through opinions on the game. Cheltenham did not 'sit deep'. They squeezed us back with a high press which forced us into playing sideways in our own half. They had a strong central midfielder - atangana? - who strong-armed Ledson, his opposite number, and a lively left winger who gave ribeiro and Martin a very tough time. It was a 'bad night at the office' that probably doesn't tell us anything more than that the irrational optimists (yes, that's you) who have been insisting that we are far stronger than last year are not (yet) correct. There is a lot of teamwork to be done, some elderly bodies to be got fit and kept fit and some leadership that needs to be shown from top down. Watching the players argue over who takes penalties 20 minutes in was a sobering moment after the professionalism of recent times. Did I actually offer an opinion on the game last night? No, thought not. So wind your neck in Chaz. Having seen the Oldham game it would seem that this team, like Appleton's, welcome teams coming on to us. We have been mediocre at home for years. I fear we will struggle again at home this season - the rather sour atmosphere at a typical league game doesn't really help.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 9, 2017 10:33:50 GMT
Probably the attitude of so-called fans who stay at home helps least all? At least, having not bothered to turn up, spare us your ill thought-through opinions on the game. Cheltenham did not 'sit deep'. They squeezed us back with a high press which forced us into playing sideways in our own half. They had a strong central midfielder - atangana? - who strong-armed Ledson, his opposite number, and a lively left winger who gave ribeiro and Martin a very tough time. It was a 'bad night at the office' that probably doesn't tell us anything more than that the irrational optimists (yes, that's you) who have been insisting that we are far stronger than last year are not (yet) correct. There is a lot of teamwork to be done, some elderly bodies to be got fit and kept fit and some leadership that needs to be shown from top down. Watching the players argue over who takes penalties 20 minutes in was a sobering moment after the professionalism of recent times. Did I actually offer an opinion on the game last night? No, thought not. So wind your neck in Chaz. Having seen the Oldham game it would seem that this team, like Appleton's, welcome teams coming on to us. We have been mediocre at home for years. I fear we will struggle again at home this season - the rather sour atmosphere at a typical league game doesn't really help. Well they came all over us last night. Closed down everything, first to the ball, 2-3 players shutting down everytime we got it, and about as far from sitting back and counter attacking as u can get, they were pushing up pitch and playing in our half. They played some nice attacking football and punished us by whipping in 2 dangerous crosses. Crosses that despite having hall Johno rothwell and Henry in wide positions we didn't put in 1. Hall on the right does not work. Ok he had a couple of mazey runs, all of which ended up with him losing it or getting flattened, not once did he put a cross in. All very well saying obika won't score 20 goals, but given the service he had last night from hall and Johno he did very well to carve out his own chance.
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Post by dubaiyellow on Aug 9, 2017 10:35:48 GMT
Im sure there were a few arguments last year as well over penalties. Either way. Its not cool.
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Post by uptheus on Aug 9, 2017 10:47:52 GMT
I would more or less agree with all of this ^^. I thought Ribeiro had one of the worst games in a yellow shirt by any player for some time. Johnson looked well off the pace - what's going on? Carroll looked terrified when he came on as replacement. The biggest disappointment was how we came out for the second half. Although 3 - 1 might have flattered us at half time, I don't understand how the midfield looked so much worse in the second half. Personally I don't think Ribeiro should have started ..he looked completely knackered at the end of the Oldham game... and as the game went on last more so.
I cant believe a player can deteriorate so much in 72 hours without there being a tangible reason for it and he looks a way off being fully fit.
The thing is, Ribiero wasn't good Saturday, but most fans got carried away with the result. He looked dodgy on a few ocassions Saturday, but I out tgst down to match fitness etc, but I wasn't overly impressed with him when I saw him in Spain, but was just hoping I was wrong. I guess tomevwill still tell, but his basics concern me as do Martin's.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Aug 9, 2017 11:05:35 GMT
Personally I don't think Ribeiro should have started ..he looked completely knackered at the end of the Oldham game... and as the game went on last more so.
I cant believe a player can deteriorate so much in 72 hours without there being a tangible reason for it and he looks a way off being fully fit.
The thing is, Ribiero wasn't good Saturday, but most fans got carried away with the result. He looked dodgy on a few ocassions Saturday, but I out tgst down to match fitness etc, but I wasn't overly impressed with him when I saw him in Spain, but was just hoping I was wrong. I guess tomevwill still tell, but his basics concern me as do Martin's. I cant agree with that assessment to be honest, I thought Ribeiro had a good game against Oldham..kept his opponent quiet for most of the game and got forward when he could ...I really don't think he was that bad last night ( to deserve a 2 rating ) as many suggest. His distribution was indeed poor at times, but he had little support on that flank and limited options for most of the game.. Don't forget Johnson nurtured him At Bristol city and probably knows his game better than he does.
He wasn't good by his standards but he certainly wasn't abject.. I think a lot of the Baldock Boys, (who dare I say it were not even at the game last night... ) are just making it up... posting spuriously so that we think they might have been at the game. " worst performance ever in an oxford shirt " as if they would know ...what total crap. !
I don't believe he isn't a good player and Appleton must have seen something in him to try and sign him twice.
Time will tell of course and its up to the Player to prove us wrong... if he cant its adios amigo come June or even a spell at some nondescript Div 2 on loan.
I hope he can pull it round because of what I've seen he likes to try and play proper football and I like that in a player.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 9, 2017 11:06:00 GMT
Pleased I stayed at home. I have a feeling we are going to have one of those great away, mediocre at home seasons again. (Like every season seemingly.) Can we cope with opponents that sit in and then break on us?
Don't think the attitude of some of our supporters helps. All I can say is I will never forget May 2006 and the Tonbridge Angels debacle. Must be frustrating though to those who don't go on the road with the yellows. Cheltenham didn't play that way. They pressed us very well and the majority of the game was played in our half - even when we were losing. As has been said, we largely resorted to hoofing to a lone striker.
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Post by Toeby on Aug 9, 2017 12:01:01 GMT
Did I actually offer an opinion on the game last night? No, thought not. So wind your neck in Chaz. Having seen the Oldham game it would seem that this team, like Appleton's, welcome teams coming on to us. We have been mediocre at home for years. I fear we will struggle again at home this season - the rather sour atmosphere at a typical league game doesn't really help. Well they came all over us last night. Closed down everything, first to the ball, 2-3 players shutting down everytime we got it, and about as far from sitting back and counter attacking as u can get, they were pushing up pitch and playing in our half. They played some nice attacking football and punished us by whipping in 2 dangerous crosses. Crosses that despite having hall Johno rothwell and Henry in wide positions we didn't put in 1. Hall on the right does not work. Ok he had a couple of mazey runs, all of which ended up with him losing it or getting flattened, not once did he put a cross in. All very well saying obika won't score 20 goals, but given the service he had last night from hall and Johno he did very well to carve out his own chance. Absolutely disgusting, that's really taking gamesmanship to the next level.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 9, 2017 12:11:21 GMT
Well they came all over us last night. Closed down everything, first to the ball, 2-3 players shutting down everytime we got it, and about as far from sitting back and counter attacking as u can get, they were pushing up pitch and playing in our half. They played some nice attacking football and punished us by whipping in 2 dangerous crosses. Crosses that despite having hall Johno rothwell and Henry in wide positions we didn't put in 1. Hall on the right does not work. Ok he had a couple of mazey runs, all of which ended up with him losing it or getting flattened, not once did he put a cross in. All very well saying obika won't score 20 goals, but given the service he had last night from hall and Johno he did very well to carve out his own chance. Absolutely disgusting, that's really taking gamesmanship to the next level. And we spunked a 2 goal lead 😂
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Post by diagocostapacket on Aug 9, 2017 12:29:42 GMT
Well they came all over us last night. Closed down everything, first to the ball, 2-3 players shutting down everytime we got it, and about as far from sitting back and counter attacking as u can get, they were pushing up pitch and playing in our half. They played some nice attacking football and punished us by whipping in 2 dangerous crosses. Crosses that despite having hall Johno rothwell and Henry in wide positions we didn't put in 1. Hall on the right does not work. Ok he had a couple of mazey runs, all of which ended up with him losing it or getting flattened, not once did he put a cross in. All very well saying obika won't score 20 goals, but given the service he had last night from hall and Johno he did very well to carve out his own chance. Absolutely disgusting, that's really taking gamesmanship to the next level. That's worse than being pulled off by the Manager at half time.
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Post by newyorkyellow on Aug 9, 2017 12:44:52 GMT
I have never liked cup games, not if we really want to get into the playoffs or try for promotion, so don't mind we lost. This will give Pep more food for thought in terms of formation and 1st Xi. We can concentrate on the league. We went up automatically the season before last having runs in more than one cup, didn't stop us then. After that performance, if you were actually at the game, it's hard to think about promotion. A team with that performance in it isn't going up, that fell so far short of acceptable. I think Clotet will be wanting another couple of players in now, Ribeiro, Johnson and Martin were that bad that if we had options I don't think we would be seeing them again. Have to disagree Hold and this is a subject that I genuinely feel strong about. We got promoted on the very last day, until Maguire got that pen for our second it was touch and go. And the playing level obviously wasn't as high as league 1. The cup stuff was great entertainment don't get me wrong, but it's clear it impacted our league performances in league 2 and again last season. I would go as far to say we'd have made playoffs EASY if we'd have been bumped out of the FA and checkatrade early.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 9, 2017 16:46:59 GMT
We went up automatically the season before last having runs in more than one cup, didn't stop us then. After that performance, if you were actually at the game, it's hard to think about promotion. A team with that performance in it isn't going up, that fell so far short of acceptable. I think Clotet will be wanting another couple of players in now, Ribeiro, Johnson and Martin were that bad that if we had options I don't think we would be seeing them again. Have to disagree Hold and this is a subject that I genuinely feel strong about. We got promoted on the very last day, until Maguire got that pen for our second it was touch and go. And the playing level obviously wasn't as high as league 1. The cup stuff was great entertainment don't get me wrong, but it's clear it impacted our league performances in league 2 and again last season. I would go as far to say we'd have made playoffs EASY if we'd have been bumped out of the FA and checkatrade early. Well, the situation has been complex in the last couple of seasons. Having lost a fairly significant sum of money in the first two seasons of DE ownership, the Cup runs have enabled he club to become more financially stable than simply expecting DE to prop the club up to the tune of £2 million every year. Without those Cup runs, we would not have been able to afford the wage bill that attracted the players who make the League 1 play-offs a realistic possibility. However, maybe this year is a little different. Having raked in over £2 million over the summer from Sercombe, Roofe/COD add-ons, Lundstram and Appleton, and having made a profit during the last financial year, maybe having another Cup run is now a 'nice to have' rather than a 'need to have' for the next twelve to eighteen months. So I think that the policy last night was correct. Make a few changes, but still play a proper 'first team' in the Cups, with the aim that no player (other than 'keeper) has to play more than 50 odd games, and the older players aren't expected to play more than 40 games overall. Whether the squad has as much quality as last season is still to be seen, but I think that it is deeper, so will withstand more rotation. Every player on the pitch last night would regard themselves as a proper first-teamer, after all.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 9, 2017 16:49:53 GMT
Have to disagree Hold and this is a subject that I genuinely feel strong about. We got promoted on the very last day, until Maguire got that pen for our second it was touch and go. And the playing level obviously wasn't as high as league 1. The cup stuff was great entertainment don't get me wrong, but it's clear it impacted our league performances in league 2 and again last season. I would go as far to say we'd have made playoffs EASY if we'd have been bumped out of the FA and checkatrade early. Well, the situation has been complex in the last couple of seasons. Having lost a fairly significant sum of money in the first two seasons of DE ownership, the Cup runs have enabled he club to become more financially stable than simply expecting DE to prop the club up to the tune of £2 million every year. Without those Cup runs, we would not have been able to afford the wage bill that attracted the players who make the League 1 play-offs a realistic possibility. However, maybe this year is a little different. Having raked in over £2 million over the summer from Sercombe, Roofe/COD add-ons, Lundstram and Appleton, and having made a profit during the last financial year, maybe having another Cup run is now a 'nice to have' rather than a 'need to have' for the next twelve to eighteen months. So I think that the policy last night was correct. Make a few changes, but still play a proper 'first team' in the Cups, with the aim that no player (other than 'keeper) has to play more than 50 odd games, and the older players aren't expected to play more than 40 games overall. Whether the squad has as much quality as last season is still to be seen, but I think that it is deeper, so will withstand more rotation. Every player on the pitch last night would regard themselves as a proper first-teamer, after all. I think a few of them may have to regard themselves slightly differently after that performance
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 9, 2017 17:20:19 GMT
Well, the situation has been complex in the last couple of seasons. Having lost a fairly significant sum of money in the first two seasons of DE ownership, the Cup runs have enabled he club to become more financially stable than simply expecting DE to prop the club up to the tune of £2 million every year. Without those Cup runs, we would not have been able to afford the wage bill that attracted the players who make the League 1 play-offs a realistic possibility. However, maybe this year is a little different. Having raked in over £2 million over the summer from Sercombe, Roofe/COD add-ons, Lundstram and Appleton, and having made a profit during the last financial year, maybe having another Cup run is now a 'nice to have' rather than a 'need to have' for the next twelve to eighteen months. So I think that the policy last night was correct. Make a few changes, but still play a proper 'first team' in the Cups, with the aim that no player (other than 'keeper) has to play more than 50 odd games, and the older players aren't expected to play more than 40 games overall. Whether the squad has as much quality as last season is still to be seen, but I think that it is deeper, so will withstand more rotation. Every player on the pitch last night would regard themselves as a proper first-teamer, after all. I think a few of them may have to regard themselves slightly differently after that performance Well, that depends on how their replacements perform!! It's perfectly possible to be quite crap, but still be the best person in your position at the club. Wayne Hatswell? Steve Anthrobus? Ben Purkess?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 9, 2017 17:21:07 GMT
I think a few of them may have to regard themselves slightly differently after that performance Well, that depends on how their replacements perform!! It's perfectly possible to be quite crap, but still be the best person in your position at the club. Wayne Hatswell? Steve Anthrobus? Ben Purkess? Kelvin Thomas 😉
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Post by newyorkyellow on Aug 9, 2017 18:43:04 GMT
Have to disagree Hold and this is a subject that I genuinely feel strong about. We got promoted on the very last day, until Maguire got that pen for our second it was touch and go. And the playing level obviously wasn't as high as league 1. The cup stuff was great entertainment don't get me wrong, but it's clear it impacted our league performances in league 2 and again last season. I would go as far to say we'd have made playoffs EASY if we'd have been bumped out of the FA and checkatrade early. Well, the situation has been complex in the last couple of seasons. Having lost a fairly significant sum of money in the first two seasons of DE ownership, the Cup runs have enabled he club to become more financially stable than simply expecting DE to prop the club up to the tune of £2 million every year. Without those Cup runs, we would not have been able to afford the wage bill that attracted the players who make the League 1 play-offs a realistic possibility. However, maybe this year is a little different. Having raked in over £2 million over the summer from Sercombe, Roofe/COD add-ons, Lundstram and Appleton, and having made a profit during the last financial year, maybe having another Cup run is now a 'nice to have' rather than a 'need to have' for the next twelve to eighteen months. So I think that the policy last night was correct. Make a few changes, but still play a proper 'first team' in the Cups, with the aim that no player (other than 'keeper) has to play more than 50 odd games, and the older players aren't expected to play more than 40 games overall. Whether the squad has as much quality as last season is still to be seen, but I think that it is deeper, so will withstand more rotation. Every player on the pitch last night would regard themselves as a proper first-teamer, after all. Fair enough regarding our need for the revenue, thanks for the info Charlie. I guess my point was largely hypothetical. So what this leads me to say is Oxford United have done pretty damn well in the circumstances the last 2 seasons. I'm as guilty as anyone thinking that success is so much simpler than it really is.
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Post by makv on Aug 10, 2017 19:51:10 GMT
Pleased I stayed at home. I have a feeling we are going to have one of those great away, mediocre at home seasons again. (Like every season seemingly.) Can we cope with opponents that sit in and then break on us? Don't think the attitude of some of our supporters helps. All I can say is I will never forget May 2006 and the Tonbridge Angels debacle. Must be frustrating though to those who don't go on the road with the yellows. Probably the attitude of so-called fans who stay at home helps least all? At least, having not bothered to turn up, spare us your ill thought-through opinions on the game. Cheltenham did not 'sit deep'. They squeezed us back with a high press which forced us into playing sideways in our own half. They had a strong central midfielder - atangana? - who strong-armed Ledson, his opposite number, and a lively left winger who gave ribeiro and Martin a very tough time. It was a 'bad night at the office' that probably doesn't tell us anything more than that the irrational optimists (yes, that's you) who have been insisting that we are far stronger than last year are not (yet) correct. There is a lot of teamwork to be done, some elderly bodies to be got fit and kept fit and some leadership that needs to be shown from top down. Watching the players argue over who takes penalties 20 minutes in was a sobering moment after the professionalism of recent times. So I've now read 2 people who were at the game saying "they argued about who was taking the pen" and "they definitely didn't argue about who was taking the pen"
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Post by makv on Aug 10, 2017 19:54:44 GMT
Personally I don't think Ribeiro should have started ..he looked completely knackered at the end of the Oldham game... and as the game went on last more so.
I cant believe a player can deteriorate so much in 72 hours without there being a tangible reason for it and he looks a way off being fully fit.
The thing is, Ribiero wasn't good Saturday, but most fans got carried away with the result. He looked dodgy on a few ocassions Saturday, but I out tgst down to match fitness etc, but I wasn't overly impressed with him when I saw him in Spain, but was just hoping I was wrong. I guess tomevwill still tell, but his basics concern me as do Martin's. Bazzer? Is that you?
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