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Post by RCYellowRC on Jul 22, 2017 15:55:17 GMT
Hopefully Hanley and Johnson have shown Clotet, that Johnson is better at LW with a left back behind him. Whether or not it is Hanley or not at LB we need one aswell as a ST. Narsingh sounded okay for somebody who hasn't played for a year and could be a great back up for Marvin and Hall. Their keepers made 3 or 4 great saves between them, would we have conceded twice with Eastwood in goal? Don't think we would have. Sadly i can't Eastwood having any competition. Which is quite risky in my opinion. Rob Hall had a good game again hopefully we can tie him down before January for a few more years.
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Post by sarge on Jul 22, 2017 16:06:41 GMT
That was underwhelming, unimpressive and uninspiring
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Post by dabigfella on Jul 22, 2017 16:11:50 GMT
The one thing that really came out of the last two games is that if we were to actually get promoted to the Championship we would need an entirely new team to survive. We have been totally outclassed in both games
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Post by bobsyouruncle on Jul 22, 2017 16:16:38 GMT
Seems we have more questions than answers.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 22, 2017 16:31:57 GMT
We're playing teams that are a lot better than we are, so it's hardly a surprise that the team which is being deliberately mixed up, is struggling. I would be very concerned if we were losing to Conference and L2 teams like that.
Of course, we have to be better across the pitch but there are 2 weeks to get it right. We definitely need more players in and I think the management realise that.
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Post by gilgy on Jul 22, 2017 16:37:57 GMT
Obika didn't look too bad, Tiendali will do ok if he plays, would possibly try him at LB for part of the game vs Leeds next week. Marvin is much better at LW / LM but needs a striker to get on the end of those balls across the box. Thomas or Hemmings may do that.
Hall was head and shoulders above everyone else on our team today,
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Post by concretebob on Jul 22, 2017 16:39:10 GMT
We're playing teams that are a lot better than we are, so it's hardly a surprise that the team which is being deliberately mixed up, is struggling. I would be very concerned if we were losing to Conference and L2 teams like that. Of course, we have to be better across the pitch but there are 2 weeks to get it right. We definitely need more players in and I think the management realise that. Don't you come on here with your balanced arguments and looking at the bigger picture when people are trying to blindly panic and claim we are doomed after losing a friendly!
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Post by plonker on Jul 22, 2017 16:40:43 GMT
Xemi not sounding very good I thought he did alright. Was always looking for the ball, composed and a few decent passes. Certainly not terrible. Bare in mind we were playing a team in the league above. As well as factors like he's just had to relocate to a different country and has played very little preseason football with us. No need to cast judgement just yet. I wish the failed Johnson at left-back experiment would end. He looked really good in the second half. And happier, too! His body language was much improved. He's honestly such a threat and so good to watch on the wing. Rob Hall. Contract extension. Now please.
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Post by barryspang on Jul 22, 2017 16:42:40 GMT
Was interesting to hear Pep say Hanley helped Johnson to play in his natural position. Hopefully Pep is starting to see what everyone else sees and we may actually get a left back in.
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Post by haventgotakalou on Jul 22, 2017 16:46:20 GMT
Was interesting to hear Pep say Hanley helped Johnson to play in his natural position. Hopefully Pep is starting to see what everyone else sees and we may actually get a left back in. I agree with pep, the left hand side looked much more solid and secure with a left back playing with Johnson. However I thought Hanley was dreadful he is just as bad postionally as Johnson and he is an athlete with good pace but cannot pass a ball, make a tackle or header.
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Post by gilgy on Jul 22, 2017 16:47:40 GMT
Was interesting to hear Pep say Hanley helped Johnson to play in his natural position. Hopefully Pep is starting to see what everyone else sees and we may actually get a left back in. I agree with pep, the left hand side looked much more solid and secure with a left back playing with Johnson. However I thought Hanley was dreadful he is just as bad postionally as Johnson and he is an athlete with good pace but cannot pass a ball, make a tackle or header. Tiendali or Ruffels need to be tried at LB next week.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 22, 2017 16:49:55 GMT
Hall and Johnson linking up so well in the second half was the highlight for us. Downsides were we poor first half and neither of our forwards really shone.
Some of the new boys look like they are nowhere near match ready, going to be a month before you can judge them. Agree we need a left back into free up Johnson to play further forward, supposing he stays of course.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 22, 2017 16:52:16 GMT
I agree with pep, the left hand side looked much more solid and secure with a left back playing with Johnson. However I thought Hanley was dreadful he is just as bad postionally as Johnson and he is an athlete with good pace but cannot pass a ball, make a tackle or header. Tiendali or Ruffels need to be tried at LB next week. Or heaven forbid spend some money on an actual experienced left back
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Post by gilgy on Jul 22, 2017 16:55:55 GMT
Tiendali or Ruffels need to be tried at LB next week. Or heaven forbid spend some money on an actual experienced left back Yes, that's what I mean - in the absence of a new signing.
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Post by 1OUFC on Jul 22, 2017 16:56:49 GMT
I agree with pep, the left hand side looked much more solid and secure with a left back playing with Johnson. However I thought Hanley was dreadful he is just as bad postionally as Johnson and he is an athlete with good pace but cannot pass a ball, make a tackle or header. Tiendali or Ruffels need to be tried at LB next week. With Pep and Eales having seen these last two games, almost certainly they realise that both LB and striker are needed in early this week, to play at Leeds, where Pep will hopefully have a good idea afterwards what his best starting 11 is. It seems common sense.
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Post by plonker on Jul 22, 2017 17:00:35 GMT
Tiendali or Ruffels need to be tried at LB next week. With Pep and Eales having seen these last two games, almost certainly they realise that both LB and striker are needed in early this week, to play at Leeds, where Pep will hopefully have a good idea afterwards what his best starting 11 is. It seems common sense. The problem with common sense is that it's actually not all that common.
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Post by oufc28 on Jul 22, 2017 17:06:32 GMT
My assessment of that friendly:
We were outplayed and outclassed for much of the first half and brum carved us open with ease image couple of occasions. The strikers they had at their disposal was the difference and they clinically dispatched them. We had few chances, nelson headed over and Thomas made the goalie make a very good save but other than that we offer excellent little.
Player positional wise it was a mess. Johnson, like so many have said is not a left back and raglan got dragged out of positing time and time again and the two experienced brum midfielders exploited if everytime. Rothwell is not a winger and was in effective.
Bright spark, Henry looked decent in the 10 role and had some classy touches.
Second half:
What a contrast, players in the right position and we look like a team again. Hall was unplayable at times and johnson showed why he is being scouted although his decision making in the final third was questionable. Xemi I thought looked quite decent. Didnt try and hide and was comfortable on the ball. Obika looked okay but clearly off the pace, tiendelli showed some lovely touches and could provea shrewd signing. The kept back was okay, worth a look and the winger narsingh put some great balls into the box.
For all the doom and your gloom on here it's not all that bad. We were beaten in the end by a few million quid worth of striker who were clinical. We ran brum ragged at times in the second half and just needed the finishing touch. I'm quietly optimistic.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 22, 2017 17:14:56 GMT
cmon bazzer its a friendly. their keeper has kept it 2-0 we could easily be 3-2/2-2 I know it's a friendly but would have preferred to see a bit more effort after Wednesday evenings performance I felt there may have been a new permantation. But 2nd half a much improved roved performance and the no 3 and 4 Tiendalli and Narsingh seemed very good so need to start against Leeds to see if we should sign Narsingh. Hanley needs a contract so that would free up Johnson
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Post by RCYellowRC on Jul 22, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
My assessment of that friendly: We were outplayed and outclassed for much of the first half and brum carved us open with ease image couple of occasions. The strikers they had at their disposal was the difference and they clinically dispatched them. We had few chances, nelson headed over and Thomas made the goalie make a very good save but other than that we offer excellent little. Player positional wise it was a mess. Johnson, like so many have said is not a left back and raglan got dragged out of positing time and time again and the two experienced brum midfielders exploited if everytime. Rothwell is not a winger and was in effective. Bright spark, Henry looked decent in the 10 role and had some classy touches. Second half: What a contrast, players in the right position and we look like a team again. Hall was unplayable at times and johnson showed why he is being scouted although his decision making in the final third was questionable. Xemi I thought looked quite decent. Didnt try and hide and was comfortable on the ball. Obika looked okay but clearly off the pace, tiendelli showed some lovely touches and could provea shrewd signing. The kept back was okay, worth a look and the winger narsingh put some great balls into the box. For all the doom and your gloom on here it's not all that bad. We were beaten in the end by a few million quid worth of striker who were clinical. We ran brum ragged at times in the second half and just needed the finishing touch. I'm quietly optimistic. What was your opinion on the trialist Hanley?, he got the whole of the second half and sounded like he linked up with Johnson quite well.
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Post by victor1986 on Jul 22, 2017 17:46:19 GMT
That's a very good & fair assessment OUFC28. Obika is not fit & carrying too much weight but hopefully they will get him in the gym; Tiendali also looks over weight & off the pace. Johnson oodles better in second half when in the right position. Rob Hall - as someone has said offer him an improved contract - quick!
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Post by salaghaf on Jul 22, 2017 17:52:28 GMT
He looks a class act in this highlight video. Wow, with him in the side we are going up as CHAMPIONS - TREBLE FACT Champions at the very least.
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Post by eighteen93 on Jul 22, 2017 17:54:50 GMT
That was underwhelming, unimpressive and uninspiring Your pre-match meal in the bird not up to much again?
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Post by oufc28 on Jul 22, 2017 18:04:56 GMT
My assessment of that friendly: We were outplayed and outclassed for much of the first half and brum carved us open with ease image couple of occasions. The strikers they had at their disposal was the difference and they clinically dispatched them. We had few chances, nelson headed over and Thomas made the goalie make a very good save but other than that we offer excellent little. Player positional wise it was a mess. Johnson, like so many have said is not a left back and raglan got dragged out of positing time and time again and the two experienced brum midfielders exploited if everytime. Rothwell is not a winger and was in effective. Bright spark, Henry looked decent in the 10 role and had some classy touches. Second half: What a contrast, players in the right position and we look like a team again. Hall was unplayable at times and johnson showed why he is being scouted although his decision making in the final third was questionable. Xemi I thought looked quite decent. Didnt try and hide and was comfortable on the ball. Obika looked okay but clearly off the pace, tiendelli showed some lovely touches and could provea shrewd signing. The kept back was okay, worth a look and the winger narsingh put some great balls into the box. For all the doom and your gloom on here it's not all that bad. We were beaten in the end by a few million quid worth of striker who were clinical. We ran brum ragged at times in the second half and just needed the finishing touch. I'm quietly optimistic. What was your opinion on the trialist Hanley?, he got the whole of the second half and sounded like he linked up with Johnson quite well. Looked half decent. He did link up very well with johnson but often found himself out of position. This won't happen in our league too often as teams won't be as clinical and fast on the counter as Birmingham were at times. I'd certainly give him anther 45 minutes at Leeds along with narsingh on the right wing.
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 22, 2017 18:16:25 GMT
He looks a class act in this highlight video. Wow, with him in the side we are going up as CHAMPIONS - TREBLE FACT TREBLE FACT eh, that's a new one, but factually I quite like it. So it's official TREBLE FACT is the new DOUBLE FACT. TREBLE FACT!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 22, 2017 18:24:47 GMT
ha ha ha ...so in eyes of some people on here we should get rid Now you said that not me, but 2nd half with Hanley at LB johnson started to shine.
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Post by yellowbow on Jul 22, 2017 18:26:35 GMT
My feeling on things is that when you spend time on here you feel that ( in some cases) good points are being made about the short comings of the squad and there's subsequently a feeling of doom and gloom, it's going to be a tough season if we don't bring in some good players. You then go to watch the team play a match and you come away feeling entertained and enthused on the whole, realising that we do in fact have some talented players. It's a real yin and yang situation.
I reckon we should all just get behind whoever is pulling on the yellow shirts and enjoy the ride.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jul 22, 2017 18:54:50 GMT
I thought the second half was quite encouraging.
If nothing else, unless Pep is blind it confirmed to him once and for all that Johnson is not a left back, that we struggle defensively when he plays at left back, that we are better both in attack and defence when he plays further up the pitch with a left back behind him. The other defenders were covering for him at left back and that is why we were pulled all over the place in much of the first half.
I don't think any of the new players let themselves down despite various degrees of ring rustiness and there were some nice moves throughout the match. We could have scored in the first half and were unlucky at least three times in the second.
So we need a left back and I still think we need to go out and pay some decent money (if that's what it takes) for a decent striker. Obika didn't really do very much in the 30 minutes he was on.
On another note - does anyone else think playing Oxford City plus 5 Championship sides is a completely mad pre-season? If you are trying to work out new partnerships, new patterns of play, integrate new players etc, trying to do it against teams who are a division higher where you don't see as much of the ball seems daft. Also, there are going to be teams against whom we are going to have to take the initiative and force the pace - much of preseason has been about soaking up pressure, so we haven't really dome that at all (OCFC excepted).
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Post by foley on Jul 22, 2017 19:15:42 GMT
I am just a little surprised with people suggesting that we were 'outclassed'.
Somebody said to me at half time that the difference between the two teams was the goalkeepers. Stockdale was excellent. He made 3 very good saves and looked a very good keeper to me. Shearer made one decent save right at the end. Hall had a great shot come back off the crossbar. To be fair Brum took their chances very well which you would expect from a Championship side.
I thought that Ledson and Ruffels were very good. Nelson looked class. Robbie Hall caused the a lot of problems and when Johnson played further up he skinned the full back 2-3 times.
Oh and I was not impressed last season by Thomas but he could have scored a couple today and ran his heart out.
It would be interesting to see the stats but I would think that we had more shots than Brum and and more on target.
There seemed to be a fair amount of positives and a couple more quality signings would make us a vert competitive side.
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Post by Bue Guado on Jul 22, 2017 19:18:23 GMT
He looks a class act in this highlight video. Seriously though, is Pep trying to give Nick Harris a heart-attack?
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Post by oxfordgobrach on Jul 22, 2017 19:36:41 GMT
I thought the second half was quite encouraging. If nothing else, unless Pep is blind it confirmed to him once and for all that Johnson is not a left back, that we struggle defensively when he plays at left back, that we are better both in attack and defence when he plays further up the pitch with a left back behind him. The other defenders were covering for him at left back and that is why we were pulled all over the place in much of the first half. I don't think any of the new players let themselves down despite various degrees of ring rustiness and there were some nice moves throughout the match. We could have scored in the first half and were unlucky at least three times in the second. So we need a left back and I still think we need to go out and pay some decent money (if that's what it takes) for a decent striker. Obika didn't really do very much in the 30 minutes he was on. On another note - does anyone else think playing Oxford City plus 5 Championship sides is a completely mad pre-season? If you are trying to work out new partnerships, new patterns of play, integrate new players etc, trying to do it against teams who are a division higher where you don't see as much of the ball seems daft. Also, there are going to be teams against whom we are going to have to take the initiative and force the pace - much of preseason has been about soaking up pressure, so we haven't really dome that at all (OCFC excepted). For your last point, the schedule of friendlies I would imagine was planned on the assumption that MApp would still be here. I think the 'playing against mostly championship sides' logic is that if players are exposed to harder games than they will get in League one, having had to adapt to that level in preseason they will start better in the first few games of the season. As you say with Pep in charge instead of Appleton, everything is much less settled so it hasn't been so helpful. That said, the more weird thing for me is that the game vs Lincoln was cancelled and not one of the championship clubs once we knew Pep was coming in. Perhaps there's a revenue factor there too, I think we're supposed to benefit from the Leeds game as part of the Roofe deal. Just guessing though. I'm still not too worried about any of this though right now.
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