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Post by grb on Jun 28, 2017 14:33:31 GMT
I don't think that anyone would question that the last two months have been a little - ah - tricky for OUFC. But there is limited benefit - potentially none, in fact - to continually raking over those coals. What is happening/ going to happen is as follows: 1. 15 or so professional players have started pre-season - yes we all know the squad is light, but there is ample room in the existing budget to recruit replacements for those that have left. In other words, I think we can be pretty sure that there will be 21/22 professional footballers at the club in a month's time. 2. Everyone knows that the timing is not good, and that we have already and will currently missing out on good potential recruits. So it is inevitable that our recruitment of the 7 or so players we need will not be as good as it might have been. We can moan and gripe about it all we like, but what's the point? 3. The new manager will be appointed in the next week or so and will fly out to join the squad in Portugal, or else meet them when they return. 4. Yes, this is not ideal, but what's the point in going on about it? It just is what it is.... 5. As with all new managers, he will "say all the right things" and we will be excited by that and will want to back him. 6. It will probably take him a while to settle down and I do not think that any of us would be surprised if we started the season a bit slowly. 7. It won't be until at least October that we will or won't start to form a picture of whether the new guy is the right pick or not. Even then, it may not be clear. 8. Season ticket sales seem to be holding up Ok, so crowds should be decent for the time being, and there may be some wider interest in what the new manager and team will look like. Rather than being downbeat, I'm slightly more positive than most. I'm hopeful we'll have a new manager in place prior to the Oxford City game. I knew a lot of people would be interested in the job but I've been surprised by the quality of names linked to it. I'm pleased that so far, the likes of Fazackerly and Allen appear to be staying with the club. Apart from the obvious couple of players, I'm not sure we have missed out on many quality signings. I'm sure we have missed out on some but I still think there will be a great choice of talent left for our new manager to choose from. I've hardly been impressed by many other L1 clubs aquisitions. Season ticket sales have been good as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Common Villager on Jun 28, 2017 15:03:25 GMT
I don't think that anyone would question that the last two months have been a little - ah - tricky for OUFC. But there is limited benefit - potentially none, in fact - to continually raking over those coals. What is happening/ going to happen is as follows: 1. 15 or so professional players have started pre-season - yes we all know the squad is light, but there is ample room in the existing budget to recruit replacements for those that have left. In other words, I think we can be pretty sure that there will be 21/22 professional footballers at the club in a month's time. 2. Everyone knows that the timing is not good, and that we have already and will currently missing out on good potential recruits. So it is inevitable that our recruitment of the 7 or so players we need will not be as good as it might have been. We can moan and gripe about it all we like, but what's the point? 3. The new manager will be appointed in the next week or so and will fly out to join the squad in Portugal, or else meet them when they return. 4. Yes, this is not ideal, but what's the point in going on about it? It just is what it is.... 5. As with all new managers, he will "say all the right things" and we will be excited by that and will want to back him. 6. It will probably take him a while to settle down and I do not think that any of us would be surprised if we started the season a bit slowly. 7. It won't be until at least October that we will or won't start to form a picture of whether the new guy is the right pick or not. Even then, it may not be clear. 8. Season ticket sales seem to be holding up Ok, so crowds should be decent for the time being, and there may be some wider interest in what the new manager and team will look like. And that, more or less, is that. No use in crying over spilt milk. Not much point in endlessly examining why things did or didn't happen. If we are successful on the pitch, then - as we all know - most everything else will be forgotten. If we are unsuccessful then people will get blamed. Such is football life. But rather as the country is constantly trying to talk itself into a post-Brexit meltdown, so OUFC fans are in danger of hysteria over some short-term tactical blips, of the kind that affect lots of clubs. This is not to say that there not serious long-term strategic issues to worry about. There are, and we are all well aware of them, and I imagine that the Board will comment on them in coming weeks. But the loss of a manager after three years is not a strategic issue, and should not be blown out of proportion. Likewise needing to bring players in quickly. We are a League 1 club, not in the Conference - plenty of good players will want to sign for us in time for the start of the new season. Charlie, sorry to be blunt, but come off it. Generally speaking, I think the fan base has been pretty calm given that our best manager in the last 20 years has jumped ship midway through the off-season to become a number 2. All I have seen is people asking reasonable questions regarding the implications of and reasons for his departure (questions that you would usually be the first to ask). As Oufcyellows has said, this post seems to suggest you know something different to the rest of us.
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 28, 2017 16:50:53 GMT
I don't think that anyone would question that the last two months have been a little - ah - tricky for OUFC. But there is limited benefit - potentially none, in fact - to continually raking over those coals. What is happening/ going to happen is as follows: 1. 15 or so professional players have started pre-season - yes we all know the squad is light, but there is ample room in the existing budget to recruit replacements for those that have left. In other words, I think we can be pretty sure that there will be 21/22 professional footballers at the club in a month's time. 2. Everyone knows that the timing is not good, and that we have already and will currently missing out on good potential recruits. So it is inevitable that our recruitment of the 7 or so players we need will not be as good as it might have been. We can moan and gripe about it all we like, but what's the point? 3. The new manager will be appointed in the next week or so and will fly out to join the squad in Portugal, or else meet them when they return. 4. Yes, this is not ideal, but what's the point in going on about it? It just is what it is.... 5. As with all new managers, he will "say all the right things" and we will be excited by that and will want to back him. 6. It will probably take him a while to settle down and I do not think that any of us would be surprised if we started the season a bit slowly. 7. It won't be until at least October that we will or won't start to form a picture of whether the new guy is the right pick or not. Even then, it may not be clear. 8. Season ticket sales seem to be holding up Ok, so crowds should be decent for the time being, and there may be some wider interest in what the new manager and team will look like. And that, more or less, is that. No use in crying over spilt milk. Not much point in endlessly examining why things did or didn't happen. If we are successful on the pitch, then - as we all know - most everything else will be forgotten. If we are unsuccessful then people will get blamed. Such is football life. But rather as the country is constantly trying to talk itself into a post-Brexit meltdown, so OUFC fans are in danger of hysteria over some short-term tactical blips, of the kind that affect lots of clubs. This is not to say that there not serious long-term strategic issues to worry about. There are, and we are all well aware of them, and I imagine that the Board will comment on them in coming weeks. But the loss of a manager after three years is not a strategic issue, and should not be blown out of proportion. Likewise needing to bring players in quickly. We are a League 1 club, not in the Conference - plenty of good players will want to sign for us in time for the start of the new season. Charlie, sorry to be blunt, but come off it. Generally speaking, I think the fan base has been pretty calm given that our best manager in the last 20 years has jumped ship midway through the off-season to become a number 2. All I have seen is people asking reasonable questions regarding the implications of and reasons for his departure (questions that you would usually be the first to ask). As Oufcyellows has said, this post seems to suggest you know something different to the rest of us. I don't regard the reaction to MApp's departure as "calm"! Nor the reaction to not signing players!! Nor the supposed length of time it's taking to replace MApp!!! It is perfectly true that not every poster has jumped onto the panic bandwagon, but there are plenty who have and the whingeing has been becoming repetitive, dull and un-constructive. By the start of the season we will have a manager and a playing squad. We simply have no idea how they will perform, and would be best served by waiting to see how it all works out. To your last point, it is continually implied that I am part of some giant, but always unspecified, plot. Strangely, exactly what this plot is meant to be is never made clear.
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Post by Bue Guado on Jun 28, 2017 16:55:29 GMT
To your last point, it is continually implied that I am part of some giant, but always unspecified, plot. Strangely, exactly what this plot is meant to be is never made clear. If there is a plot though, would you mind spilling the beans to us first? Hate to have to read about your masterplan in the OM...
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 28, 2017 16:58:43 GMT
The plot thickens 😉
On a separate note, and purely out of interest, if u had of taken charge of the club instead of Darryl, would u have sold to sartori at that point ?
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jun 28, 2017 17:12:17 GMT
I don't think the manager recruitment is the underlying issue here, it's the question of Mr Eales commitment given all the shenanigans since Christmas.
Who gets apointed and then who they sign will be a big indicator of where we stand.
Like everyone I'm just praying we don't return to the penny pinching leneghan days.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 28, 2017 17:31:49 GMT
seriously? should have guessed with the poncy thread name it would be the same old pro eales fencing sitting bollocks from chariesghost. you get on a fence more than ronseal. so you tell us not to worry when we havent got a gaffer and at the worst possible time, no ground deal possible, club refusing to properly talk to oxvox, training ground saga and no f''n squad. youre either an osteritch mate or trying to be so far up eales ass that nobody can tell where you end and he begins.
you clearly dont want to ask important questions as it will hurt how eales sees you. even oxvox arent making statements anymore and keep sending questions to club that it seems are never answered. youve seen two of their committee post on here angry about how the club treats them and demanding a forum yet club says nout. its about time the club says what the f*cking plan is as this summer has been a shambles and people like you are on here defending it all or trying to ignore it. think this thread shows that plenty of people are worried if you arent and only a couple of people at oxvox have the balls to say it.
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Post by Common Villager on Jun 28, 2017 17:31:55 GMT
Charlie, sorry to be blunt, but come off it. Generally speaking, I think the fan base has been pretty calm given that our best manager in the last 20 years has jumped ship midway through the off-season to become a number 2. All I have seen is people asking reasonable questions regarding the implications of and reasons for his departure (questions that you would usually be the first to ask). As Oufcyellows has said, this post seems to suggest you know something different to the rest of us. I don't regard the reaction to MApp's departure as "calm"! Nor the reaction to not signing players!! Nor the supposed length of time it's taking to replace MApp!!! It is perfectly true that not every poster has jumped onto the panic bandwagon, but there are plenty who have and the whingeing has been becoming repetitive, dull and un-constructive. By the start of the season we will have a manager and a playing squad. We simply have no idea how they will perform, and would be best served by waiting to see how it all works out. To your last point, it is continually implied that I am part of some giant, but always unspecified, plot. Strangely, exactly what this plot is meant to be is never made clear. Surely you know what modern day football fans are like with regards to this sort of thing by now! What I think you're either missing or ignoring is that a large amount of the negativity surrounding Appleton's departure was the question of WHY he left. This is what has caused a lot of questions about the type of replacement we'll be able to attract and the type of players we'll be able to bring in. Thankfully, it appears we have still been able to attract some promising candidates, but I'll withhold judgment until we actually appoint one of them.
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 28, 2017 17:51:02 GMT
seriously? should have guessed with the poncy thread name it would be the same old pro eales fencing sitting bollocks from chariesghost. you get on a fence more than ronseal. so you tell us not to worry when we havent got a gaffer and at the worst possible time, no ground deal possible, club refusing to properly talk to oxvox, training ground saga and no f''n squad. youre either an osteritch mate or trying to be so far up eales ass that nobody can tell where you end and he begins. you clearly dont want to ask important questions as it will hurt how eales sees you. even oxvox arent making statements anymore and keep sending questions to club that it seems are never answered. youve seen two of their committee post on here angry about how the club treats them and demanding a forum yet club says nout. its about time the club says what the f*cking plan is as this summer has been a shambles and people like you are on here defending it all or trying to ignore it. think this thread shows that plenty of people are worried if you arent and only a couple of people at oxvox have the balls to say it. This is exactly the kind of thing I mean. You're making everything sound like it's a suddenly a disaster zone, when in fact not much has changed except for the very usual football scenario of a manager departing and needing to be replaced. There will be a squad when the season starts. Do you really doubt that? We will simply have to see how good that squad is! If you read my OP, I specifically separate these issues from the very serious ones regarding the stadium and the training ground etc. These are topics that I have been vocal on for so many years that I feel like Jeremiah half the time.
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 28, 2017 17:56:36 GMT
seriously? should have guessed with the poncy thread name it would be the same old pro eales fencing sitting bollocks from chariesghost. you get on a fence more than ronseal. so you tell us not to worry when we havent got a gaffer and at the worst possible time, no ground deal possible, club refusing to properly talk to oxvox, training ground saga and no f''n squad. youre either an osteritch mate or trying to be so far up eales ass that nobody can tell where you end and he begins. you clearly dont want to ask important questions as it will hurt how eales sees you. even oxvox arent making statements anymore and keep sending questions to club that it seems are never answered. youve seen two of their committee post on here angry about how the club treats them and demanding a forum yet club says nout. its about time the club says what the f*cking plan is as this summer has been a shambles and people like you are on here defending it all or trying to ignore it. think this thread shows that plenty of people are worried if you arent and only a couple of people at oxvox have the balls to say it. This is exactly the kind of thing I mean. You're making everything sound like it's a suddenly a disaster zone, when in fact not much has changed except for the very usual football scenario of a manager departing and needing to be replaced. There will be a squad when the season starts. Do you really doubt that? We will simply have to see how good that squad is! If you read my OP, I specifically separate these issues from the very serious ones regarding the stadium and the training ground etc. These serious issues are topics that I have been vocal on for so many years that I feel like Jeremiah half the time. As for your jibes at OxVox, it is true that it has become a pretty quiet body which, unlike in the past, rarely speaks out on stuff. I wish it had been so gentle (supine is too harsh a word) when I was involved with the club!! But if you don't like that then stand for the committee yourself and try to change it. That's what these democratic organisations are all about. Presumably, their current way of doing business has the support of its members, who don't want to see the kind of questions asked that you are banging on about.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 28, 2017 18:00:55 GMT
They have asked the questions he's banging on about this week. Will Darryl reply, let alone answer them is another matter.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 28, 2017 18:29:58 GMT
They have asked the questions he's banging on about this week. Will Darryl reply, let alone answer them is another matter. ask em publicly then. simples. charliesghost your either blind or dumb if you can't see the squad already wasn't quite good enough to go up and table showed that. since then we lost Chey, skarz, edwards, connor sercs and soon prob our top scorer. so yea no gaffer and key players gone nothing to worry about especially as all key freebie will be snapped up before we get a new gaffer. you need to get a grip and see whats going on and oxvox need to make these questions be asked publicly if no forum is coming
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Post by wizzard on Jun 28, 2017 18:33:53 GMT
Ok Charlie,just a polite question,are you and your buddies still in a position where you could buy the club?If so have you thought about making DE an offer?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 28, 2017 18:34:46 GMT
I'm sure it will be made public if there are no answers. And publish them if there are. It's fairly obvious that Darryl doesn't take criticism very well. When oxvox or the council or fans do something he doesn't like he hits out in the press without thinking and normally ends up having to back down or change his comments. I think this way is better, it will give him the chance to answer politely asked questions. If no answers are given, or it's just more spin then a fans forum becomes even more vital. Where u cant pre select questions, or ignore difficult ones
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Post by lambchop on Jun 28, 2017 18:41:08 GMT
It's times like these that I miss Sussox
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 28, 2017 19:23:07 GMT
Ok Charlie,just a polite question,are you and your buddies still in a position where you could buy the club?If so have you thought about making DE an offer? What do you mean by me and my buddies, wizzard? As for making DE an offer, I think it s fairly common knowledge that someone did that 2 or 3 weeks ago and got told to push off. So I don't see what you're getting at.....
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Post by uptheus on Jun 28, 2017 19:46:37 GMT
Ok Charlie,just a polite question,are you and your buddies still in a position where you could buy the club?If so have you thought about making DE an offer? What do you mean by me and my buddies, wizzard? As for making DE an offer, I think it s fairly common knowledge that someone did that 2 or 3 weeks ago and got told to push off. So I don't see what you're getting at..... Charlie, do you think both parties would/could reconsider?
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Post by foley on Jun 28, 2017 20:32:22 GMT
They have asked the questions he's banging on about this week. Will Darryl reply, let alone answer them is another matter. ask em publicly then. simples. charliesghost your either blind or dumb if you can't see the squad already wasn't quite good enough to go up and table showed that. since then we lost Chey, skarz, edwards, connor sercs and soon prob our top scorer. so yea no gaffer and key players gone nothing to worry about especially as all key freebie will be snapped up before we get a new gaffer. you need to get a grip and see whats going on and oxvox need to make these questions be asked publicly if no forum is coming Charlie makes a good point. Why don't you go on the Oxvox committee? Go and do something about it. With regard to the players sure we weren't quite good enough. The manager has left at a bad time. But let's get in the new manager and see who they bring in? 3-4 quality signings and we have a very good squad. There is nothing anybody can now do about MAPP going. IF DE was now to appoint CA/ AW and then brings in cheaper players then we should be worried. But if Pep for example comes in and he brings in 4 decent players then who knows. Incidentally what are your thoughts of the potential managers suggested?
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Post by chippsy on Jun 28, 2017 20:52:23 GMT
I don't think that anyone would question that the last two months have been a little - ah - tricky for OUFC. But there is limited benefit - potentially none, in fact - to continually raking over those coals. What is happening/ going to happen is as follows: 1. 15 or so professional players have started pre-season - yes we all know the squad is light, but there is ample room in the existing budget to recruit replacements for those that have left. In other words, I think we can be pretty sure that there will be 21/22 professional footballers at the club in a month's time. 2. Everyone knows that the timing is not good, and that we have already and will currently missing out on good potential recruits. So it is inevitable that our recruitment of the 7 or so players we need will not be as good as it might have been. We can moan and gripe about it all we like, but what's the point? 3. The new manager will be appointed in the next week or so and will fly out to join the squad in Portugal, or else meet them when they return. 4. Yes, this is not ideal, but what's the point in going on about it? It just is what it is.... 5. As with all new managers, he will "say all the right things" and we will be excited by that and will want to back him. 6. It will probably take him a while to settle down and I do not think that any of us would be surprised if we started the season a bit slowly. 7. It won't be until at least October that we will or won't start to form a picture of whether the new guy is the right pick or not. Even then, it may not be clear. 8. Season ticket sales seem to be holding up Ok, so crowds should be decent for the time being, and there may be some wider interest in what the new manager and team will look like. And that, more or less, is that. No use in crying over spilt milk. Not much point in endlessly examining why things did or didn't happen. If we are successful on the pitch, then - as we all know - most everything else will be forgotten. If we are unsuccessful then people will get blamed. Such is football life. But rather as the country is constantly trying to talk itself into a post-Brexit meltdown, so OUFC fans are in danger of hysteria over some short-term tactical blips, of the kind that affect lots of clubs. This is not to say that there not serious long-term strategic issues to worry about. There are, and we are all well aware of them, and I imagine that the Board will comment on them in coming weeks. But the loss of a manager after three years is not a strategic issue, and should not be blown out of proportion. Likewise needing to bring players in quickly. We are a League 1 club, not in the Conference - plenty of good players will want to sign for us in time for the start of the new season. Good post . Of course, things are clearly not great at the moment, which is so disappointing after the last few years. There are a lot of issues to concern the fans, but life goes on, football goes on, and we deal with what is ahead of us. Come first game of the season, I will be excited just as any other season, looking forward to what is ahead and what the new manager and new signings can bring to the party. Who knows what lies ahead.... it is certainly going to be interesting, but we have to remain supportive. It's all to easy to support the club, players and chairman when things are going great, but that support is just as vital in choppy waters.
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 28, 2017 21:05:31 GMT
What do you mean by me and my buddies, wizzard? As for making DE an offer, I think it s fairly common knowledge that someone did that 2 or 3 weeks ago and got told to push off. So I don't see what you're getting at..... Charlie, do you think both parties would/could reconsider? I'm not commenting on JS' attempted purchase. Not now; not ever (excepting to defend him or me against the occasional unwarranted attack). The point of this thread was to try to encourage people not to get their knickers in a twist about something relatively trivial in the big scheme of OUFC matters. Managers come and go. Leaving aside the unfortunate waddock, we have just had two long-standing and successful ones in a row. They were both appointed after much thought and consideration and neither was gleefully welcomed at the time. Whereas poor old Jim Smith was. Shows how much we fans know!! If only a quarter as much energy, angst and analysis was focused on our general strategic direction then we might get somewhere a little more interesting... Managers aren't gods or losers. They're mostly just normal guys trying to do their best within a set of strategically relevant parameters. This is why 80 per cent of them perform more or less exactly to budget. Who got promoted last season? The teams with the biggest budgets. Who got promoted from League 2? 3 of the four teams with the biggest budgets. Under current strategic parameters, we have a mid-table League 1 budget. And the vast majority of managers we could pick will get us to finish somewhere between 8th and 14th place. So beyond hoping that the Board make a good decision, the whole issue just doesn't interest me much. Whereas the general strategic parameters of the club interest me a lot! Criticising the Board for taking their time to get the appointment right is ludicrous. Worrying about the number of players in the squad in late June is a waste of time and energy.
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Post by gofish2 on Jun 28, 2017 21:24:37 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with Charlie's more reasoned analysis of the situation and the sense of perspective it brings. I also think fans have felt (and been) cheated so many times that's it's hard to maintain trust in whoever leads the club, and their possible hidden motives. However, if we take a few steps back and consider how the club has survived after the disastrous stewardships of certain chairmen, it's possible to be broadly optimistic. That doesn't ignore the fact that there a number of weighty issues to be resolved, not least ownership of a stadium. I still maintain that Eales is good for oufc, but this is balanced by the fact that like all chairmen (to my knowledge) he's a businessman and has to protect his interests. He is not a philanthropist and he's no Abramovitch with billions at his disposal. He has an incredibly complex set of plates to keep spinning whilst keeping his business viable. I don't accept that he is accountable to fans although I do accept that he has certain responsibilities and duties to them. But let's compare him with FK in this respect, the differences are like chalk and cheese and I'm sure that these don't have to be spelt out.
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 28, 2017 21:53:13 GMT
Charlie, do you think both parties would/could reconsider? I'm not commenting on JS' attempted purchase. Not now; not ever (excepting to defend him or me against the occasional unwarranted attack). The point of this thread was to try to encourage people not to get their knickers in a twist about something relatively trivial in the big scheme of OUFC matters. Managers come and go. Leaving aside the unfortunate waddock, we have just had two long-standing and successful ones in a row. They were both appointed after much thought and consideration and neither was gleefully welcomed at the time. Whereas poor old Jim Smith was. Shows how much we fans know!! If only a quarter as much energy, angst and analysis was focused on our general strategic direction then we might get somewhere a little more interesting... Managers aren't gods or losers. They're mostly just normal guys trying to do their best within a set of strategically relevant parameters. This is why 80 per cent of them perform more or less exactly to budget. Who got promoted last season? The teams with the biggest budgets. Who got promoted from League 2? 3 of the four teams with the biggest budgets. Under current strategic parameters, we have a mid-table League 1 budget. And the vast majority of managers we could pick will get us to finish somewhere between 8th and 14th place.So beyond hoping that the Board make a good decision, the whole issue just doesn't interest me much. Whereas the general strategic parameters of the club interest me a lot! Criticising the Board for taking their time to get the appointment right is ludicrous. Worrying about the number of players in the squad in late June is a waste of time and energy. So, not a top 6 finish or a top 6 budget? Reason enough for Mappy to perceive that the board do not have the same ambition as himself and therefore reason to leave?
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Post by holdsteady on Jun 28, 2017 22:11:55 GMT
Charlie, do you think both parties would/could reconsider? I'm not commenting on JS' attempted purchase. Not now; not ever (excepting to defend him or me against the occasional unwarranted attack). The point of this thread was to try to encourage people not to get their knickers in a twist about something relatively trivial in the big scheme of OUFC matters. Managers come and go. Leaving aside the unfortunate waddock, we have just had two long-standing and successful ones in a row. They were both appointed after much thought and consideration and neither was gleefully welcomed at the time. Whereas poor old Jim Smith was. Shows how much we fans know!! If only a quarter as much energy, angst and analysis was focused on our general strategic direction then we might get somewhere a little more interesting... Managers aren't gods or losers. They're mostly just normal guys trying to do their best within a set of strategically relevant parameters. This is why 80 per cent of them perform more or less exactly to budget. Who got promoted last season? The teams with the biggest budgets. Who got promoted from League 2? 3 of the four teams with the biggest budgets. Under current strategic parameters, we have a mid-table League 1 budget. And the vast majority of managers we could pick will get us to finish somewhere between 8th and 14th place. So beyond hoping that the Board make a good decision, the whole issue just doesn't interest me much. Whereas the general strategic parameters of the club interest me a lot! Criticising the Board for taking their time to get the appointment right is ludicrous. Worrying about the number of players in the squad in late June is a waste of time and energy. It makes no difference whether people on here get agitated about the general strategic direction or the management situation does it? We have no say in either so it's just which situation you find more interesting, none of us, including you have the wealth/power to have an actual say.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 28, 2017 22:33:57 GMT
I'm not suggesting "sugar-coating", just some realism and perspective. We're in danger of talking the whole club into a tailspin, when in reality the only thing that has changed since April is that we have/ are about to change manager. I know that we haven't always seen eye to eye but a couple of very good posts! We still have a decent squad, albeit light on numbers. For once, we are in a position to add real quality or bring in back up players to support what we already have. That means that although we still need half a dozen or more players, it is a huge bonus that we haven't lost any of our key players. Hopefully that will also allow us to avoid some of the issues we had from mass changes this time last year.
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Post by uptheus on Jun 28, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
Charlie, do you think both parties would/could reconsider? I'm not commenting on JS' attempted purchase. Not now; not ever (excepting to defend him or me against the occasional unwarranted attack). The point of this thread was to try to encourage people not to get their knickers in a twist about something relatively trivial in the big scheme of OUFC matters. Managers come and go. Leaving aside the unfortunate waddock, we have just had two long-standing and successful ones in a row. They were both appointed after much thought and consideration and neither was gleefully welcomed at the time. Whereas poor old Jim Smith was. Shows how much we fans know!! If only a quarter as much energy, angst and analysis was focused on our general strategic direction then we might get somewhere a little more interesting... Managers aren't gods or losers. They're mostly just normal guys trying to do their best within a set of strategically relevant parameters. This is why 80 per cent of them perform more or less exactly to budget. Who got promoted last season? The teams with the biggest budgets. Who got promoted from League 2? 3 of the four teams with the biggest budgets. Under current strategic parameters, we have a mid-table League 1 budget. And the vast majority of managers we could pick will get us to finish somewhere between 8th and 14th place. So beyond hoping that the Board make a good decision, the whole issue just doesn't interest me much. Whereas the general strategic parameters of the club interest me a lot!Criticising the Board for taking their time to get the appointment right is ludicrous. Worrying about the number of players in the squad in late June is a waste of time and energy. Charlie, I know you initiated this thread regarding the manager replacement timeframe and the non importance of this, but my question was related to the bit in bold, so what are your thoughts and feelings on this?
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 29, 2017 5:37:25 GMT
I'm not suggesting "sugar-coating", just some realism and perspective. We're in danger of talking the whole club into a tailspin, when in reality the only thing that has changed since April is that we have/ are about to change manager. I know that we haven't always seen eye to eye but a couple of very good posts! We still have a decent squad, albeit light on numbers. For once, we are in a position to add real quality or bring in back up players to support what we already have. That means that although we still need half a dozen or more players, it is a huge bonus that we haven't lost any of our key players. Hopefully that will also allow us to avoid some of the issues we had from mass changes this time last year. yea just connor and maguire no biggy! dont give me this bs charliesghost that you care about key strategic positions as if you did youd realise that they all lay vacant and we cant get a ground deal done and have had 2 years to get a training ground done and nothing all while this owner has loaded us up with debt including debt lenegen wrote off!!! add that to the rumours of behind the scenes and the club sounds more like the old sky one soap dream team than a club going the right direction.
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Post by lambchop on Jun 29, 2017 6:26:42 GMT
We will win the league - FACT
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Post by londonroader on Jun 29, 2017 6:36:20 GMT
Comedy classic, OP put what seems like a reasoned post for all his cohorts under different usernames to batter it to make "their point", the emails must be flying around..
We get that you don't like DE, and DE is not perfect, but he is what we have at the moment so we have to get on with it.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 29, 2017 6:40:26 GMT
I know that we haven't always seen eye to eye but a couple of very good posts! We still have a decent squad, albeit light on numbers. For once, we are in a position to add real quality or bring in back up players to support what we already have. That means that although we still need half a dozen or more players, it is a huge bonus that we haven't lost any of our key players. Hopefully that will also allow us to avoid some of the issues we had from mass changes this time last year. yea just connor and maguire no biggy! Neither were our players. We can already put a starting 11 together that would challenge next year. Of course, another striker would be a priority but it was August last year before we brought in Hemmings and Johnson. So no need to be panicking like you have for months!!!
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 29, 2017 6:45:36 GMT
in what world was maguire not our player he was under contract not on loan!
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