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Post by Toeby on Oct 21, 2017 19:27:03 GMT
Referred to himself in the third person in the post match interview today.
Oh MAPP, what has happened to you.
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Post by manor96 on Oct 21, 2017 19:43:05 GMT
"One game doesn't make you a Premier League manager and I'm very aware of that.
"But I'm also aware that I'd like to think as an assistant I'm more than capable of doing that role.
"I've done [the assistant role] twice now - I had 15 months at West Brom and here at Leicester - and I'd love an opportunity to continue to do that."
Sounds like he has been ruled out of the running for the manager’s job - just hoping to stay on as assistant. Makes it a very interesting career move given the assumption he was taking the job on as a down payment on a crack at managing a PL team full time.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 21, 2017 20:11:38 GMT
"One game doesn't make you a Premier League manager and I'm very aware of that. "But I'm also aware that I'd like to think as an assistant I'm more than capable of doing that role. "I've done [the assistant role] twice now - I had 15 months at West Brom and here at Leicester - and I'd love an opportunity to continue to do that." Sounds like he has been ruled out of the running for the manager’s job - just hoping to stay on as assistant. Makes it a very interesting career move given the assumption he was taking the job on as a down payment on a crack at managing a PL team full time. Was he though? ThT would have been a massive gamble, as if and when Shakespeare failed they were hardly going to go down the same route with the next appointment. And there’s probably more of a change he went with him that becoming the next manager
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Post by makv on Oct 21, 2017 20:30:11 GMT
Referred to himself in the third person in the post match interview today. Oh MAPP, what has happened to you. How very Keegan
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Post by RCYellowRC on Oct 21, 2017 22:36:54 GMT
Appleton wants to keep his assistant job, doesn't sound interested in manager job.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 21, 2017 22:47:13 GMT
Seems like he is desperate to stay in a job in the number 2 role than get sent on his way when the new man comes in. Maybe he knows if he gets sent on his way it’s back to league 1 or 2 as a manager for him?
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 21, 2017 23:45:50 GMT
At the end of the day, he got a promotion from L2 after finishing 13th the season prior, and then finished 8th in L1 on the back of that. He also had a couple of FA cup runs with some 'giant killings' and two Wembley finals, although both ended in defeat. He had a decent time here on paper, but he needed that just to escape a past that was riddled with very short terms and horrific win percentages. Circumstances at those clubs / jobs are irrelevant, people will only see the stats and they'll put his achievements into perspective. A lot of clubs higher up the chain won't see pipping Accrington to promotion on the final day of the season as a good reason to take a punt on him. I'm not discrediting him with that comment, it's what clubs will see and think. That's their brutal mindset once you cross over.
The Championship is becoming a mini PL - the financial gap between it and the division below is increasing every year so clubs can't afford to risk dropping down, but many of them are simultaneously chasing the untold riches that bundling into the PL even for one season will bring. Just look at some of the players and managers who are now operating in it. It's been strong for a number of years but now it's next level - it's England's second division yet it's bigger and more popular than the top flight in most countries bar Italy, Spain, France and Germany. I would say it's the sixth best and most competitive division in Europe, which is incredible. But with that, clubs are becoming much pickier in terms of who they want in charge. Unless you take a team into it from L1 and are given the chance to carry that work on, it's becoming much, much harder for lower league managers to step up and into it in the form of a new job.
This puts Appleton in an interesting position if he finds himself out of a job in the coming months. I personally think that after Shakespeare the Leicester board won't appoint internally again, regardless of how well he does in the meantime. His predecessor stormed it, got the job and then the steam ran out. I think those owners will be wary of that and will look for a top manager with a proven track record to take them on. They did, after all, play in the Champions League last season after winning the Premier League. They will see themselves as being in a certain bracket on the back of all that and I think they'll want to cement that by appointing an experienced name who they believe can shunt them up the table. I'd expect they will want top half, and that's probably fair and reasonable. Tenth place isn't an outrageous target for them, or at least it shouldn't be. But when you look at Appleton's track record without yellow tinted spectacles, and Leicester's own incredibly recent experience with promoting from within, it looks unlikely. Not impossible - nothing is impossible in football and Leicester City don't need reminding of that fact - but in all probability his chances are quite slim. So that would leave him just hoping that whoever takes charge still wants him and doesn't demand his own assistant and backroom staff. That is a completely unknown quantity. Some managers are fine with that and some have a team that they always take with them. That's complete pot luck - no way of knowing at this stage.
Point being, if he doesn't get the job, and if he's unlucky and someone comes in who isn't interested in him, he may find it difficult to get a job above the one he left only a few months ago. With everything going on in the Championship he's going to have to convince a club that he's the man to keep them up, seeing as 90% of jobs in that division will only appear because someone has been sacked rather than someone moving up. And in their eyes he's likely to be a manager who got promoted from L2 two seasons ago, consolidated in L1 and then left to be the assistant coach at a PL club who have been underachieving this season. As much as he did good things here and helped move us back up the pyramid, he's still largely unproven after Blackburn, Blackpool, Portsmouth and so on. It will be a hard sell. That then leads back to L1 and bar maybe half a dozen there won't be many better jobs than the OUFC gig, and most of those jobs don't look likely to be available. Bradford, Wigan, Charlton etc are all right up there and the likes of Blackburn and Portsmouth are within touching distance of sixth, or at least comfortably in the top half. Take them out of the equation and what are you left with that would be a better job than Oxford? And how many clubs at this level are run differently enough for him to be content if he felt he'd peaked here, which appears to be how he felt by the end? The more you really break it down and analyse the landscape, the more it seems likely that if he ends up unemployed any time soon, he may not end up with a job any better than the one he left.
Of course, he will have tripled his wages for a short period of time, and will likely receive some sort of payoff which will probably be worth hundreds of thousands, so financially there is a short term upside to be found in his recent actions and decisions. Very much so. But beyond that, where would it leave him? Back in L1 at a club probably no bigger than, and no higher up the division than OUFC? Quite possibly, and I doubt he will have the implicit trust that he appeared to have from DE at that new club.
It's ultimately impossible to say what will happen, there are many combinations and variations, but I think it's undeniable that Appleton took a punt when he made the move that he did. He definitely put his chips on black and spun the wheel, and it may well pay off for him. Nobody can say definitively at this stage whether it was a good decision or not, but I think it won't be very long at all until the results start to reveal themselves.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Oct 23, 2017 3:08:31 GMT
At the end of the day, he got a promotion from L2 after finishing 13th the season prior, and then finished 8th in L1 on the back of that. He also had a couple of FA cup runs with some 'giant killings' and two Wembley finals, although both ended in defeat. He had a decent time here on paper, but he needed that just to escape a past that was riddled with very short terms and horrific win percentages. Circumstances at those clubs / jobs are irrelevant, people will only see the stats and they'll put his achievements into perspective. A lot of clubs higher up the chain won't see pipping Accrington to promotion on the final day of the season as a good reason to take a punt on him. I'm not discrediting him with that comment, it's what clubs will see and think. That's their brutal mindset once you cross over. The Championship is becoming a mini PL - the financial gap between it and the division below is increasing every year so clubs can't afford to risk dropping down, but many of them are simultaneously chasing the untold riches that bundling into the PL even for one season will bring. Just look at some of the players and managers who are now operating in it. It's been strong for a number of years but now it's next level - it's England's second division yet it's bigger and more popular than the top flight in most countries bar Italy, Spain, France and Germany. I would say it's the sixth best and most competitive division in Europe, which is incredible. But with that, clubs are becoming much pickier in terms of who they want in charge. Unless you take a team into it from L1 and are given the chance to carry that work on, it's becoming much, much harder for lower league managers to step up and into it in the form of a new job. This puts Appleton in an interesting position if he finds himself out of a job in the coming months. I personally think that after Shakespeare the Leicester board won't appoint internally again, regardless of how well he does in the meantime. His predecessor stormed it, got the job and then the steam ran out. I think those owners will be wary of that and will look for a top manager with a proven track record to take them on. They did, after all, play in the Champions League last season after winning the Premier League. They will see themselves as being in a certain bracket on the back of all that and I think they'll want to cement that by appointing an experienced name who they believe can shunt them up the table. I'd expect they will want top half, and that's probably fair and reasonable. Tenth place isn't an outrageous target for them, or at least it shouldn't be. But when you look at Appleton's track record without yellow tinted spectacles, and Leicester's own incredibly recent experience with promoting from within, it looks unlikely. Not impossible - nothing is impossible in football and Leicester City don't need reminding of that fact - but in all probability his chances are quite slim. So that would leave him just hoping that whoever takes charge still wants him and doesn't demand his own assistant and backroom staff. That is a completely unknown quantity. Some managers are fine with that and some have a team that they always take with them. That's complete pot luck - no way of knowing at this stage. Point being, if he doesn't get the job, and if he's unlucky and someone comes in who isn't interested in him, he may find it difficult to get a job above the one he left only a few months ago. With everything going on in the Championship he's going to have to convince a club that he's the man to keep them up, seeing as 90% of jobs in that division will only appear because someone has been sacked rather than someone moving up. And in their eyes he's likely to be a manager who got promoted from L2 two seasons ago, consolidated in L1 and then left to be the assistant coach at a PL club who have been underachieving this season. As much as he did good things here and helped move us back up the pyramid, he's still largely unproven after Blackburn, Blackpool, Portsmouth and so on. It will be a hard sell. That then leads back to L1 and bar maybe half a dozen there won't be many better jobs than the OUFC gig, and most of those jobs don't look likely to be available. Bradford, Wigan, Charlton etc are all right up there and the likes of Blackburn and Portsmouth are within touching distance of sixth, or at least comfortably in the top half. Take them out of the equation and what are you left with that would be a better job than Oxford? And how many clubs at this level are run differently enough for him to be content if he felt he'd peaked here, which appears to be how he felt by the end? The more you really break it down and analyse the landscape, the more it seems likely that if he ends up unemployed any time soon, he may not end up with a job any better than the one he left. Of course, he will have tripled his wages for a short period of time, and will likely receive some sort of payoff which will probably be worth hundreds of thousands, so financially there is a short term upside to be found in his recent actions and decisions. Very much so. But beyond that, where would it leave him? Back in L1 at a club probably no bigger than, and no higher up the division than OUFC? Quite possibly, and I doubt he will have the implicit trust that he appeared to have from DE at that new club. It's ultimately impossible to say what will happen, there are many combinations and variations, but I think it's undeniable that Appleton took a punt when he made the move that he did. He definitely put his chips on black and spun the wheel, and it may well pay off for him. Nobody can say definitively at this stage whether it was a good decision or not, but I think it won't be very long at all until the results start to reveal themselves. There are possibilities outside of England y'know. Could see Mapp expanding his experience in the Eredivisie or Primeira Liga for example. Probably not at one of the respective big boys but somewhere to give him a springboard back to the Championship.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 23, 2017 8:31:33 GMT
Yep, you're right, he might have to leave the country just to stand a chance of coming back to the level he left a few months ago. That is absolutely something he could do.
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 23, 2017 10:07:21 GMT
Perhaps Appleton has come to the conclusion he would prefer to be a coach/assistant at the highest level as possible rather than as a manager/no1 at a lower level.
Maybe he just feels more comfortable in that role and enjoys it more.
I think he did an excellent job at Oxford, brought in some exciting young players and turned the club around. Put some pride back into the club.
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Post by headingtonutd on Oct 23, 2017 10:57:37 GMT
Perhaps Appleton has come to the conclusion he would prefer to be a coach/assistant at the highest level as possible rather than as a manager/no1 at a lower level. Maybe he just feels more comfortable in that role and enjoys it more. I think he did an excellent job at Oxford, brought in some exciting young players and turned the club around. Put some pride back into the club. Not sure about that at all. He is a very ambitious man and everything I can tell from what he says in interviews is that he wants to manage and at the highest level. I think he decided that joining Leicester was the best way to achieve that. If we wins the next three or four then who knows where that could take him?
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2017 11:22:59 GMT
I wonder when managers will start to react and change to the cut-throat nature of the business they work in. It is such a short shelf life at a club these days unless you almost immediately get it right. The trend must surely soon start for managers who, once they get their feet under the table at a club, stay there and try to build a legacy sensibly and in fair time.
Instead of a quick success and wham-bang-thank-you-maam to another bigger club with a bigger pay check. It so rarely works out.
I remember when Martin O'Neill was all the rage at Wycombe. But he took his time with his next job, rejecting numerous advances before plumping for Norwich. And even he got that one wrong.
Another example, and this might be pertinent for Mapp, was Paulso Sousa. He was ambitious and wanted to be a top, top manager. At Swansea he got his feet under the table and started to build something, getting them to just outside the play-offs. The his head was turned by, funnily enough, Leicester City.
It was considered a mad, bonkers move at the time because at the Swans he was a God who could have had a job for five years. But, no. He wanted it all. ANd he wanted it immediately. He lasted 12 games.
And he regrets it. Massively. It took him years to earn back his reputation as a guy who wasn't just in it for the money. He had to go to Tel Aviv and Basel to get back on track. Now he's at Fiorentina and is respected again.
From what I've seen of Pep so far I have no doubt that he will manage at a much higher level than we are used to. But will he be more thoughtful and clever with the move he makes?
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Post by MJB on Oct 24, 2017 20:46:29 GMT
Two from two for Mapples.
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Post by yellowoptimist on Oct 24, 2017 21:46:57 GMT
All the commentators suggesting that retention of him as number 2 is an integral part of the forward plan and discussions with manager candidates
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Post by sarge on Oct 25, 2017 15:47:08 GMT
Claude Puel apparrently front runner (& in advanced talks) for The managers job at Leicester City
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Post by Maurice Earp on Oct 25, 2017 18:40:12 GMT
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 25, 2017 18:43:43 GMT
Puel announced as LCFC manager. Mapps kept on as no.2.
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Post by oufcrealist on Oct 25, 2017 18:44:30 GMT
Think they've made a mistake appointing him.
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Post by MJB on Oct 25, 2017 19:06:20 GMT
Think they've made a mistake appointing him. Gary Lineker agrees with you.
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Post by stokeu on Oct 25, 2017 19:06:37 GMT
never heard of him
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 25, 2017 20:50:13 GMT
So does that mean his masterplan to steal Faz from us isn't definitely 1000% no going back going to happen?
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Post by MJB on Oct 25, 2017 21:50:52 GMT
So does that mean his masterplan to steal Faz from us isn't definitely 1000% no going back going to happen? Even an Assistant needs an Assistant. It’s DEFINITELY still going to happen.
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 26, 2017 8:11:08 GMT
So does that mean his masterplan to steal Faz from us isn't definitely 1000% no going back going to happen? Even an Assistant needs an Assistant. It’s DEFINITELY still going to happen. Indeed! Also an assistant's assistant needs an assistant, bye, bye Chrissy Allen.
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Post by lambchop on Oct 26, 2017 12:05:51 GMT
Even an Assistant needs an Assistant. It’s DEFINITELY still going to happen. Indeed! Also an assistant's assistant needs an assistant, bye, bye Chrissy Allen. Maybe the Ultras will be headhunted by MAPP as well.....
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Post by Sith Lord on Oct 26, 2017 12:11:05 GMT
Think they've made a mistake appointing him. Gary Lineker agrees with you. Lineker said exactly the same about Claudio too back in 2015!
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Post by sarge on Oct 27, 2017 14:25:41 GMT
Puel announced as LCFC manager. Mapps kept on as no.2. JOINT number 2 ...job sharing with Pascal Plancque
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Oct 27, 2017 14:31:53 GMT
Puel announced as LCFC manager. Mapps kept on as no.2. JOINT number 2 ...job sharing with Pascal Plancque ...... the beginning of the end.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 27, 2017 14:38:31 GMT
Anyone who thinks he will still be there next season is as thick as two short plancque’s
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Post by radicalox on Oct 27, 2017 14:52:12 GMT
If he is half of number 2 does that mean he is number 1 now?
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Post by foweyox on Nov 11, 2017 17:45:22 GMT
Could be that he is back sooner than we thought - Pep has surrounded himself with his own men and recent form has been awful/relegation. We can surely forget playoffs having already lost 6/17. Would take MAPP back in a flash - Dont think Pep will last 3 more games
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