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Post by socrates on Oct 18, 2017 19:47:58 GMT
f*ck him. Loved him when he was here but he left us right in the shit when he left. Full credit to Eales and Pep for picking up the pieces like the've done because him walking away when he did could have cost us massively.. Still, he's got his 5 mins in the bigtime. Got a good payout. Seems to forget that his reputation will once again be shit when it comes to getting back in the managerial business. Jesus, you nailed it. Forever grateful for what Mapp did but when the going was about to get a little tougher he bolted. And it's a terrible shame. He had lost the rep as a 'quitter' at Oufc but then undid all of that when leaving for a job which the whole football world knew was a p45 in waiting. Look at Leicester's record in the last 6 or 7 last season. Shakespeare was a dead man walking. A lot of eyebrows were raised within the game. Sure, he'll be well paid. But is that what it's all about with Mapp? He always gave the impression here that he was serious about being a top manager. That quick cash hit suggested otherwise. He will walk into a League One job, of course. But that's one step forward, three back. Starting all over again at a club, being given time and faith is a very difficult process. And when you get it as a manager, by jove they should treasure it. When he does get back to proper work - rather than hiding in the shadows - he might find his old club are on a par or slighlty better off. And he'd have wasted a couple of seasons and a good rep. PS: those wittering on about Leicester fans not giving him credit...the guy has one promotion on his CV. FROM LEAGUE TWO! That's no currency at that level.
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Post by socrates on Oct 18, 2017 19:53:17 GMT
Someone should go on there and put them right they're clueless. Judging him on Blackburn job etc. and completely making assumptions about his character based in his look. I imagine given time he'd be better than most big name appointments ....shows what's wrong with the epl and British game generally when people are more keen to appoint allardyce than a manager like mapp who is calm, thoughtful, progressive, articulate, evolving, and excellent at maximizing player potential Allardyce is all of those things. There is no more innovated ENglish manager and he's obsessed with finding the extra one per cent. And he's done it at a way higher level than League 2. Actualy, if anyone whose career has been hampered by 'how he looks' it's Allardyce. One of the most misunderstood managers ever.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 18, 2017 19:58:13 GMT
Someone should go on there and put them right they're clueless. Judging him on Blackburn job etc. and completely making assumptions about his character based in his look. I imagine given time he'd be better than most big name appointments ....shows what's wrong with the epl and British game generally when people are more keen to appoint allardyce than a manager like mapp who is calm, thoughtful, progressive, articulate, evolving, and excellent at maximizing player potential Allardyce is all of those things. There is no more innovated ENglish manager and he's obsessed with finding the extra one per cent. And he's done it at a way higher level than League 2. Actualy, if anyone whose career has been hampered by 'how he looks' it's Allardyce. One of the most misunderstood managers ever. Disagree. The English game needs to become more technical was my point and needs patience to achieve that. He was more moneyball percentages and certainly not elegant football with the patience to achieve that. Hence why he was the epl chief relegation firefighter. He did well but notto enhance football in this country m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6cLeLtckH4
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Post by bigcrompy on Oct 19, 2017 2:38:21 GMT
Appleton takes temporary charge, loses 3 games. Before replacing JFH at Northampton Just coming online now to make this joke. You beat me to it by a whole 24 hours!
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 19, 2017 7:07:06 GMT
Allardyce is all of those things. There is no more innovated ENglish manager and he's obsessed with finding the extra one per cent. And he's done it at a way higher level than League 2. Actualy, if anyone whose career has been hampered by 'how he looks' it's Allardyce. One of the most misunderstood managers ever. Disagree. The English game needs to become more technical was my point and needs patience to achieve that. He was more moneyball percentages and certainly not elegant football with the patience to achieve that. Hence why he was the epl chief relegation firefighter. He did well but notto enhance football in this country m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6cLeLtckH4"Hence why he was the epl chief relegation firefighter" The last time i looked Leicester were in the bottom 3. Isn't Allardyce what they need ? The last time i looked at Ranieri's Leicester winning the PL it was mass defence,hit them on the break,long ball over the top for Vardy to get on the end of. Isn't that what an Allardyce team does ?
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 19, 2017 7:20:38 GMT
Disagree. The English game needs to become more technical was my point and needs patience to achieve that. He was more moneyball percentages and certainly not elegant football with the patience to achieve that. Hence why he was the epl chief relegation firefighter. He did well but notto enhance football in this country m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6cLeLtckH4"Hence why he was the epl chief relegation firefighter" The last time i looked Leicester were in the bottom 3. Isn't Allardyce what they need ? The last time i looked at Ranieri's Leicester winning the PL it was mass defence,hit them on the break,long ball over the top for Vardy to get on the end of. Isn't that what an Allardyce team does ? I think mid October is too early to suggest a relegation dogfight especially after four games against the big guns. Also think it's a little harsh to characterize leicesters style as long ball it was a little more crafted than that with mahrez etc. But I think you're right in the sense that their owners may think in such terms of relegation and panic. Hence my original point.
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Post by peterdev on Oct 19, 2017 7:58:09 GMT
Oi wonder if they would gamble on Nigel Clough. What a job he's done at Burton, but to be fair he could probably sign a ten year contract there
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Post by maidenheadox on Oct 19, 2017 12:14:29 GMT
I don't blame Appleton for leaving and don't really get some of the vitriol. We'd all do the same for that amount of money and he didn't take long to make his mind up once the offer came in. The timing was unfortunately for us but that's football. Even if he leaves Leicester I don't think his reputation will have been damaged (plus he'll be quids in). I could see him picking up a decent Championship job, Sunderland will probably fire Grayson before too long ....
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Post by gobbledgook on Oct 20, 2017 8:25:28 GMT
Im hoping that Appleton doesn't do well and get the Leicester job on a permanent basis. Not because I've anything against him but my concerns are he'll need a 2nd in command and might come knocking on Faz's door.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 20, 2017 9:50:45 GMT
f*ck him. Loved him when he was here but he left us right in the shit when he left. Full credit to Eales and Pep for picking up the pieces like the've done because him walking away when he did could have cost us massively.. Still, he's got his 5 mins in the bigtime. Got a good payout. Seems to forget that his reputation will once again be shit when it comes to getting back in the managerial business. Jesus, you nailed it. Forever grateful for what Mapp did but when the going was about to get a little tougher he bolted. Nothing to do with transparency or trust in the management, failure to provide the promised budget. It's funny how as soon as somebody leaves the club history starts to be re-written. Of course I'll eat my words if Socrates or junior can demonstrate they know what they are talking about on this.
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Post by yellowbow on Oct 20, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
Im hoping that Appleton doesn't do well and get the Leicester job on a permanent basis. Not because I've anything against him but my concerns are he'll need a 2nd in command and might come knocking on Faz's door. My thoughts exactly..
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Post by foley on Oct 20, 2017 10:10:03 GMT
I don't blame Appleton for leaving and don't really get some of the vitriol. We'd all do the same for that amount of money and he didn't take long to make his mind up once the offer came in. The timing was unfortunately for us but that's football. Even if he leaves Leicester I don't think his reputation will have been damaged (plus he'll be quids in). I could see him picking up a decent Championship job, Sunderland will probably fire Grayson before too long ....Sunderland.... decent Championship job? Mmm I rate MAPP very highly but as we know it takes him time to turn a club around. How many clubs in the Championship now have any patience (and if Sunderland do sack Grayson it will prove that they have very little!)
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Post by Junior on Oct 20, 2017 11:41:37 GMT
Scored a bit of an own goal with his quotes to press after his buddy got the bullet! Positive thinking Michael!!
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 20, 2017 12:02:29 GMT
f*ck him. Loved him when he was here but he left us right in the shit when he left. Full credit to Eales and Pep for picking up the pieces like the've done because him walking away when he did could have cost us massively.. Still, he's got his 5 mins in the bigtime. Got a good payout. Seems to forget that his reputation will once again be shit when it comes to getting back in the managerial business. What a silly but predictable post. 'Loved him when he was here....' what happened, did he not return your love? You don't know all the facts and are in absolutely no position to judge the man. I regard him as someone with integrity and honesty, I want him to do well. But then you have to have an open mind where such things are concerned........
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Post by Junior on Oct 20, 2017 12:07:17 GMT
Facts? Fact is, he left us to go and play premiership with his mate. He's admitted that he had one eye on the big job so in otherwords, he couldn't wait to bolt.
Him doing that when he did could have really cost us this season. If it wasn't for the good job done by Eales, Pep and Fazz this season could have been a disaster.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2017 14:20:02 GMT
Jesus, you nailed it. Forever grateful for what Mapp did but when the going was about to get a little tougher he bolted. Nothing to do with transparency or trust in the management, failure to provide the promised budget. It's funny how as soon as somebody leaves the club history starts to be re-written. Of course I'll eat my words if Socrates or junior can demonstrate they know what they are talking about on this. Appleton was bitching for months about budgets. So much so there was a debate on here as to which budget he was slagging off next - was it the paying budget? the recruitment budget? Are they the same? And the timing left a lot to be desired. Straight after the takeover that wasn't fell through I think. Mapp left for more money and to try his hand in a cosier role as a No 2 in the PL. But he also didn't fancy a more difficult second season in League 2, reckoning that he might blow his rep. Well, he did that anyway because it was viewed, by some, that he lacked faith in his ability. Which is a shame. Because he should be a very good manager.
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Post by barmyarmy on Oct 20, 2017 14:43:41 GMT
Nothing to do with transparency or trust in the management, failure to provide the promised budget. It's funny how as soon as somebody leaves the club history starts to be re-written. Of course I'll eat my words if Socrates or junior can demonstrate they know what they are talking about on this. Appleton was bitching for months about budgets. So much so there was a debate on here as to which budget he was slagging off next - was it the paying budget? the recruitment budget? Are they the same? And the timing left a lot to be desired. Straight after the takeover that wasn't fell through I think. Mapp left for more money and to try his hand in a cosier role as a No 2 in the PL. But he also didn't fancy a more difficult second season in League 2, reckoning that he might blow his rep. Well, he did that anyway because it was viewed, by some, that he lacked faith in his ability. Which is a shame. Because he should be a very good manager. Mapps second season in league 2 resulted in promotion. Like the rest of your post, pure fantasy.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 20, 2017 15:04:46 GMT
Facts? Fact is, he left us to go and play premiership with his mate. He's admitted that he had one eye on the big job so in otherwords, he couldn't wait to bolt. Him doing that when he did could have really cost us this season. If it wasn't for the good job done by Eales, Pep and Fazz this season could have been a disaster. FACT: Mapp is a young talented manager who would inevitabley be sought after FACT: He was offered a good post at a premiership club (having turned down your beloved Man Utd) FACT: He accepted like anyone else would have done if it suited their career ambitions FACT: Eales did a very good stabilising job after Mapp left (That's his job as a chairman) FACT: You're a cynic FACT: He was the best manager we've had for a long time and is widely held in high regard. FACT: You wouldn't dream of saying these things to Mapp if the opportunity arose, because he's built like a brick outhouse and you're a keyboard weasel ps- when you quote 'facts' don't cherry pick and pretend that what you believe is the truth. It's tiresome correcting your drivel.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 20, 2017 16:17:04 GMT
Facts? Fact is, he left us to go and play premiership with his mate. He's admitted that he had one eye on the big job so in otherwords, he couldn't wait to bolt. Him doing that when he did could have really cost us this season. If it wasn't for the good job done by Eales, Pep and Fazz this season could have been a disaster. FACT: Mapp is a young talented manager who would inevitabley be sought after FACT: He was offered a good post at a premiership club (having turned down your beloved Man Utd) FACT: He accepted like anyone else would have done if it suited their career ambitions FACT: Eales did a very good stabilising job after Mapp left (That's his job as a chairman) FACT: You're a cynic FACT: He was the best manager we've had for a long time and is widely held in high regard. FACT: You wouldn't dream of saying these things to Mapp if the opportunity arose, because he's built like a brick outhouse and you're a keyboard weasel ps- when you quote 'facts' don't cherry pick and pretend that what you believe is the truth. It's tiresome correcting your drivel. Not taking sides on this but just coming in as a pedant for fun. So don't take this personally and I think I may get whooshed. But I think the only fact there is: - he was appointed to a premiership role. The rest is a matter of opinion. Uninterestingly I checked win rates and Wilder was slightly above Appleton. You could argue context of divisions but that would be subjective on woo was better (I liked mapp more btw) www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/oxford-united/
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 20, 2017 16:28:33 GMT
FACT: Mapp is a young talented manager who would inevitabley be sought after FACT: He was offered a good post at a premiership club (having turned down your beloved Man Utd) FACT: He accepted like anyone else would have done if it suited their career ambitions FACT: Eales did a very good stabilising job after Mapp left (That's his job as a chairman) FACT: You're a cynic FACT: He was the best manager we've had for a long time and is widely held in high regard. FACT: You wouldn't dream of saying these things to Mapp if the opportunity arose, because he's built like a brick outhouse and you're a keyboard weasel ps- when you quote 'facts' don't cherry pick and pretend that what you believe is the truth. It's tiresome correcting your drivel. Not taking sides on this but just coming in as a pedant for fun. So don't take this personally and I think I may get whooshed. But I think the only fact there is: - he was appointed to a premiership role. The rest is a matter of opinion. Uninterestingly I checked win rates and Wilder was slightly above Appleton. You could argue context of divisions but that would be subjective on woo was better (I liked mapp more btw) www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/oxford-united/Just as I thought, someone on here would soon become the objective factsayer! You're right of course.....I just like winding the forums' adolescent up!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 20, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
Nothing to do with transparency or trust in the management, failure to provide the promised budget. It's funny how as soon as somebody leaves the club history starts to be re-written. Of course I'll eat my words if Socrates or junior can demonstrate they know what they are talking about on this. Appleton was bitching for months about budgets. So much so there was a debate on here as to which budget he was slagging off next - was it the paying budget? the recruitment budget? Are they the same? And the timing left a lot to be desired. Straight after the takeover that wasn't fell through I think. Mapp left for more money and to try his hand in a cosier role as a No 2 in the PL. But he also didn't fancy a more difficult second season in League 2, reckoning that he might blow his rep. Well, he did that anyway because it was viewed, by some, that he lacked faith in his ability. Which is a shame. Because he should be a very good manager. That's your opinion, fair enough. In my view Apples left because he lost faith in Eales' ability or willingness to back him with budget when required and had misgivings about Eales' ongoing commitment. I tend to take Apples at face value whereas I don't take Eales that way. Either of us could be less wrong than the other; imputing motive is a tricky business in a knowledge vacuum.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 20, 2017 19:40:54 GMT
Appleton was bitching for months about budgets. So much so there was a debate on here as to which budget he was slagging off next - was it the paying budget? the recruitment budget? Are they the same? And the timing left a lot to be desired. Straight after the takeover that wasn't fell through I think. Mapp left for more money and to try his hand in a cosier role as a No 2 in the PL. But he also didn't fancy a more difficult second season in League 2, reckoning that he might blow his rep. Well, he did that anyway because it was viewed, by some, that he lacked faith in his ability. Which is a shame. Because he should be a very good manager. That's your opinion, fair enough. In my view Apples left because he lost faith in Eales' ability or willingness to back him with budget when required and had misgivings about Eales' ongoing commitment. I tend to take Apples at face value whereas I don't take Eales that way. Either of us could be less wrong than the other; imputing motive is a tricky business in a knowledge vacuum. Well said Paul and I would add that he was made an offer he couldn't refuse, without the horses head I hope.
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Post by Junior on Oct 21, 2017 8:28:51 GMT
Facts? Fact is, he left us to go and play premiership with his mate. He's admitted that he had one eye on the big job so in otherwords, he couldn't wait to bolt. Him doing that when he did could have really cost us this season. If it wasn't for the good job done by Eales, Pep and Fazz this season could have been a disaster. FACT: Mapp is a young talented manager who would inevitabley be sought after FACT: He was offered a good post at a premiership club (having turned down your beloved Man Utd) FACT: He accepted like anyone else would have done if it suited their career ambitions FACT: Eales did a very good stabilising job after Mapp left (That's his job as a chairman) FACT: You're a cynic FACT: He was the best manager we've had for a long time and is widely held in high regard. FACT: You wouldn't dream of saying these things to Mapp if the opportunity arose, because he's built like a brick outhouse and you're a keyboard weasel ps- when you quote 'facts' don't cherry pick and pretend that what you believe is the truth. It's tiresome correcting your drivel. Gosh, you seem quite angry, you ok? Time of the month? Not getting it enough? Should opinions need to be corrected? I thought thats what forums are for? Be a shame to neutralise that. But, what did I cherry pick? Did Appleton leave to go the premiership, yes. Did Appleton leave us at a poor time. Again, yes he did. Did Appleton leaving when he did leave Eales in the shit regarding appointing and then starting over with a new manager. Guess what, yes he did. Did Appleton leaving put Pep behind in his pre season and did it also effect our recruitment, yes it did (noticing a patten yet) So for all that, please excuse me if I don't pander down to Appleton and wish him all the best. For me, he's just an ex manager who secured is promotion. I respect him for that but not for the way he left and left the club how he did. P.S If Appleton is built like a outhouse? Shouldn't it be shithouse, not important either way. Should that mean he's safe from any fans who may wish to question his choice in leaving? Not everything need to result in violence ;-) Have a nice day and watch out for nasty people on stairwells who may or may not be carrying clipboards..
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Post by socrates on Oct 21, 2017 9:10:47 GMT
Appleton was bitching for months about budgets. So much so there was a debate on here as to which budget he was slagging off next - was it the paying budget? the recruitment budget? Are they the same? And the timing left a lot to be desired. Straight after the takeover that wasn't fell through I think. Mapp left for more money and to try his hand in a cosier role as a No 2 in the PL. But he also didn't fancy a more difficult second season in League 2, reckoning that he might blow his rep. Well, he did that anyway because it was viewed, by some, that he lacked faith in his ability. Which is a shame. Because he should be a very good manager. That's your opinion, fair enough. In my view Apples left because he lost faith in Eales' ability or willingness to back him with budget when required and had misgivings about Eales' ongoing commitment. I tend to take Apples at face value whereas I don't take Eales that way. Either of us could be less wrong than the other; imputing motive is a tricky business in a knowledge vacuum. I'm not actually disagreeing with you. What I'm saying is that this (or that, or something else) made Mapp believe his job was going to be harder. And he didn't fancy that. But show me the manager who gets everything he wants, when he wants. The manager who has perfect relationships with the chairman and board. the manager who isn't promised something and then gets let down. Doesn't exist. Mapp will learn that one day and won't be so quick to jump ship
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Post by whathesaid on Oct 21, 2017 9:30:33 GMT
I'm not sure why people have such an agenda against Eales, when we've had people like Kassam and Herd.
Ultimately Appleton left for reasons that seemed fair at the time, even if the position was never that stable.
Working with a mate. Significant pay rise. Chance to coach in the PL.
People take things very personally.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 21, 2017 9:48:36 GMT
Yes. I see. Well I don't disagree with any of that except maybe this: I guess Apples is more or less financially secure, certainly after Leicester, I wonder how driven he is to prove himself as a manager? He doesn't seem to have the one-eyed determination of a Wilder, for example.
Edit: resp to Socrates, obvs.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 21, 2017 11:46:44 GMT
FACT: Mapp is a young talented manager who would inevitabley be sought after FACT: He was offered a good post at a premiership club (having turned down your beloved Man Utd) FACT: He accepted like anyone else would have done if it suited their career ambitions FACT: Eales did a very good stabilising job after Mapp left (That's his job as a chairman) FACT: You're a cynic FACT: He was the best manager we've had for a long time and is widely held in high regard. FACT: You wouldn't dream of saying these things to Mapp if the opportunity arose, because he's built like a brick outhouse and you're a keyboard weasel ps- when you quote 'facts' don't cherry pick and pretend that what you believe is the truth. It's tiresome correcting your drivel. Gosh, you seem quite angry, you ok? Time of the month? Not getting it enough? Not angry, but you wouldn't know the difference between anger and being told off you silly boy. Thank you for your pervy enquiry into my sex lifeShould opinions need to be corrected? I thought thats what forums are for? Be a shame to neutralise that. But, what did I cherry pick? You said facts, not opinions and the cherries you picked were rancid
Did Appleton leave to go the premiership, yes. Did Appleton leave us at a poor time. Again, yes he did. When is a good time to leave for a better job?Did Appleton leaving when he did leave Eales in the shit regarding appointing and then starting over with a new manager. Guess what, yes he did. No shit!Did Appleton leaving put Pep behind in his pre season and did it also effect our recruitment, yes it did (noticing a patten yet) Yes, it's about your abandonment anxietySo for all that, please excuse me if I don't pander down to Appleton and wish him all the best. For me, he's just an ex manager who secured is promotion. I respect him for that but not for the way he left and left the club how he did. Should he have asked you first?P.S If Appleton is built like a outhouse? Shouldn't it be shithouse, not important either way. Should that mean he's safe from any fans who may wish to question his choice in leaving? Not everything need to result in violence ;-) Or stupid vitriolHave a nice day and watch out for nasty people on stairwells who may or may not be carrying clipboards.. Don't worry, If you have a clipboard it will be duly noted and dealt with
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Post by Junior on Oct 21, 2017 12:48:18 GMT
I'm sure ESB can help with lessons in how to use the reply button ;-)
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 21, 2017 17:23:07 GMT
Appleton's first game as caretaker manager resulted in Leicester 2-1 winners away at Swansea today.
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Post by moomooland on Oct 21, 2017 17:54:44 GMT
Good luck Crab Appleton. Glad you have gone.
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