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Post by Mark on May 10, 2017 9:23:41 GMT
I wonder whether this would be a private investment by Sartori himself, an "investment" by Union Group, or as a frontman for father-in-law?
Union Group seems to be more of a South American conglomerate, so don't see how a lower tier English football club fits in? Quite a similar background to Eales in fact - Eales was chair of Lloyds Development Corporation for many years, the private equity arm of the bank.
Anyway, let's hope it's not another SISU...
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Post by sihath on May 10, 2017 9:26:15 GMT
Sartori woooaaahhh, sartori woooaaahhh, he's from Monaco, we've now got galatico's Na - what's the story Juan satori yeahhhh Sartori woooaaahhh, sartori woooaaahhh, he comes from Uraguay, we're gonna be on Sky (Sports when we get to the Premier League)... needs a bit of work.
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Post by brassmonkey on May 10, 2017 9:31:48 GMT
Ive heard rumours that were swapping dunkley for Kylian Mbappe
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 9:32:17 GMT
From the recent interview , he was quoted as saying
I've been a player in the crowd scene A flicker on the big screen And that he has High hopes and aspirations, and years above my station Maybe but all this time I've tried to walk with dignity and pride
And when compare to other nightmare owners he replied
Call me, call me by my name or call me by number You put me through it I'll still be doing it the way I do it And yet, you try to make me forget Who I really am, don't tell me I know best I'm not the same as all the rest
The Juan and only
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Post by arthurturner on May 10, 2017 9:32:31 GMT
Let's all calm down. Don't believe everything you read in the OM. It's a slow news week. They've nothing else to speculate about. How do they know Sartori has made an offer or that he's meeting with Kassam in Monacco? They don't. They're spinning a story to sell papers.
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Post by Pete Burrett on May 10, 2017 9:32:44 GMT
I wonder whether this would be a private investment by Sartori himself, an "investment" by Union Group, or as a frontman for father-in-law? Union Group seems to be more of a South American conglomerate, so don't see how a lower tier English football club fits in? Quite a similar background to Eales in fact - Eales was chair of Lloyds Development Corporation for many years, the private equity arm of the bank. Anyway, let's hope it's not another SISU... Sartori will make Kassam an offer he can't refuse. We'll become AS Monaco 'B', effectively their development side. No point spending much on the stadium just to house a development side, or on developing home-grown talent. (This is the 'glass half empty' scenario. )
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Post by Pete Burrett on May 10, 2017 9:33:46 GMT
Let's all calm down. Don't believe everything you read in the OM. It's a slow news week. They've nothing else to speculate about. How do they know Sartorial has made an offer or that he's meeting with Kassam in Monacco? They don't. They're spinning a story to sell papers. This story has been around for weeks / months, and not only in the Oxford Mail.
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Post by myles on May 10, 2017 9:35:59 GMT
Let's all calm down. Don't believe everything you read in the OM. It's a slow news week. They've nothing else to speculate about. How do they know Sartori has made an offer or that he's meeting with Kassam in Monacco? They don't. They're spinning a story to sell papers. You're actually claiming that they are making it up. That's different to "spinning a story"....
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 9:39:04 GMT
Let's all calm down. Don't believe everything you read in the OM. It's a slow news week. They've nothing else to speculate about. How do they know Sartori has made an offer or that he's meeting with Kassam in Monacco? They don't. They're spinning a story to sell papers. Never good to like your own posts mate 😉
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Post by myles on May 10, 2017 9:40:53 GMT
Quite a similar background to Eales in fact - Eales was chair of Lloyds Development Corporation for many years, the private equity arm of the bank. Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money...
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Post by The Fence End on May 10, 2017 9:44:40 GMT
Sartori is only 36. Too young and inexperienced in my opinion. Is he fronting this for his father in law or is he using his trust fund monies from his wealthy family?
Either way hasn't from what I can see been successful in business and earnt his own money. He's from a wealthy family and he's married well. Seems like a flash spiv looking for a plaything. Not for me.
Let's hope DE stays or if he does sell he does proper due diligence that Sartori will be good for the club. Barry Hearne has admitted that he didn't when he sold Orient and we all know how that ended.
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Post by The Fence End on May 10, 2017 9:46:42 GMT
Quite a similar background to Eales in fact - Eales was chair of Lloyds Development Corporation for many years, the private equity arm of the bank. Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money... His family's money. He's had everything handed to him on a plate. Looks to be a spoilt little rich kid looking for a status symbol.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 9:51:21 GMT
Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money... His family's money. He's had everything handed to him on a plate. Looks to be a spoilt little rich kid looking for a status symbol. Seeing u know so much about him , what's his worth ?
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 10, 2017 9:53:07 GMT
there are a lot of stories that are being labelled FAKE news............Just saying:)
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Post by Pete Burrett on May 10, 2017 9:53:16 GMT
Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money... His family's money. He's had everything handed to him on a plate. Looks to be a spoilt little rich kid looking for a status symbol. What's your source for this? He may have founded Union Capital Group using family money, who knows? I can't find anything to confirm this online. Point is, whoever bank rolled it, he grew the business to $1 billion assets under management before selling it in 2008. I would say he's a successful businessman. Hardly a 'spoilt little rich kid'.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 10, 2017 9:54:30 GMT
Are we taking bets on how many pages for this thread ?
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 10, 2017 9:55:34 GMT
could we see our ST sales rise?
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Post by Sith Lord on May 10, 2017 9:57:33 GMT
Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money... His family's money. He's had everything handed to him on a plate. Looks to be a spoilt little rich kid looking for a status symbol. In that case let him spend a wedge and finish off the stadium corners and all, add some nice training facilities to boot. Do me nicely.. Then if it goes horribly wrong give it back to the fans! But hey, let's not chastise the bloke just yet, innocent until proven guilty as they say. Oh and far as I know this is still a media rumor..
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Post by oxfordmitch on May 10, 2017 9:59:30 GMT
I understand the view of 'Why be so negative, give him a chance, don't write him off' etc but on the flip side I don't get why so many people are behind him? Yes he has money but how do we know he's someone who we can trust. Have we all forgotten about Kassam and how long he's stifled us?
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Post by myles on May 10, 2017 9:59:54 GMT
Not that similar really. Eales was a salaryman, investing the bank's money. Sartori has built up a billion-plus dollar business using his own money... His family's money. He's had everything handed to him on a plate. Looks to be a spoilt little rich kid looking for a status symbol. Don't know where you've pulled that from. Looks like he has a record of building up some pretty substantial businesses off his own back.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 10:01:04 GMT
I understand the view of 'Why be so negative, give him a chance, don't write him off' etc but on the flip side I don't get why so many people are behind him? Yes he has money but how do we know he's someone who we can trust. Have we all forgotten about Kassam and how long he's stifled us? Have we all forgotten that Darryl didn't
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Post by Yellow River on May 10, 2017 10:03:51 GMT
could we see our ST sales rise? Depends, if the new owner sacks Appleton and brings in Gianfranco Zola then the opposite might happen.
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Post by oufcnath on May 10, 2017 10:05:27 GMT
How much would u like for the stadium mr Kassam We all know what the outcome will be..
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Post by outsidethebox on May 10, 2017 10:06:57 GMT
But again if Darryl can no longer afford to stay, what's the option? It would be worse if all the good he has done was wasted as we don't have the finance to push forward ? We can't even raise the budget by 4 places with out a 15% rise in ticket prices to fund it. I hope Darryl stays in some format, but seeing it was him that did all this good, do u not trust him when he said himself that he needs and is looking for help to fund us. Or if not to sell to a suitable person ? When has darryl directly said he can no longer afford to stay? I assume we won't be seeing sartori at most of the games, celebrating in the terraces with the fans, regularly buying us food and drink at the grounds, spending the time to chat with us, holding Facebook and radio chats alongside the manager to answer our questions. I'd love to be proven wrong on that one, but what I'd love even more is another crack at League One with the current regime in charge. Not when he can fine dine at the Bird with Colin and Paul. I'm saying no to this possible deal due to serious conflicts of interest when we play Monaco in the CL Final. Oxvox just haven't thought this through properly!
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 10, 2017 10:07:06 GMT
could we see our ST sales rise? Depends, if the new owner sacks Appleton and brings in Gianfranco Zola then the opposite might happen. Would like to think the new owner would keep DE if he doesn't then MAPP could go which is what we don't want
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Post by Pete Burrett on May 10, 2017 10:07:16 GMT
I understand the view of 'Why be so negative, give him a chance, don't write him off' etc but on the flip side I don't get why so many people are behind him? Yes he has money but how do we know he's someone who we can trust. Have we all forgotten about Kassam and how long he's stifled us? I'm not sure what the solution is though. You could question the motives of ANY new money man. Due diligence might confirm their financial strength but won't reveal their real intentions. So if DE wants to sell it will always be a risk.
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Post by oxfordmitch on May 10, 2017 10:13:57 GMT
I understand the view of 'Why be so negative, give him a chance, don't write him off' etc but on the flip side I don't get why so many people are behind him? Yes he has money but how do we know he's someone who we can trust. Have we all forgotten about Kassam and how long he's stifled us? I'm not sure what the solution is though. You could question the motives of ANY new money man. Due diligence might confirm their financial strength but won't reveal their real intentions. So if DE wants to sell it will always be a risk. That's a fair point Pete. Looking through a couple of your posts, you seem quite excited by the deal, as do many others. I'm not here to p*ss on anyones parade, but I do not want to suffer in a similar vein to the Kassam era. I understand the positivity, I understand the excitement, but I just can't get carried away just yet. Someone put an excellent post on twitter about how we are all so against B-Teams and the evil premiership money, but the second a fella with a few quid is linked with us, were loving it. I would love to see some additional investment, of course I would. My ideal scenario would see the stadium return to us via Satori (if DE can't, and it looks like he can't), but DE to remain majority shareholder. Will it happen? Probably not. Can imagine Satori wants the lot.
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Post by Pete Burrett on May 10, 2017 10:20:17 GMT
I'm not sure what the solution is though. You could question the motives of ANY new money man. Due diligence might confirm their financial strength but won't reveal their real intentions. So if DE wants to sell it will always be a risk. That's a fair point Pete. Looking through a couple of your posts, you seem quite excited by the deal, as do many others. I'm not here to p*ss on anyones parade, but I do not want to suffer in a similar vein to the Kassam era. I understand the positivity, I understand the excitement, but I just can't get carried away just yet. Someone put an excellent post on twitter about how we are all so against B-Teams and the evil premiership money, but the second a fella with a few quid is linked with us, were loving it. I would love to see some additional investment, of course I would. My ideal scenario would see the stadium return to us via Satori (if DE can't, and it looks like he can't), but DE to remain majority shareholder. Will it happen? Probably not. Can imagine Satori wants the lot. Yes, I am excited. It could, possibly, be the start of a positive new era for OUFC. But it's also right to add caveats and have reservations. Any deal is still a way off, I would imagine, because Sartori surely wants club AND stadium and he'll have to deal with Kassam to get that. Even if a deal is done, there will be a multitude of potential pitfalls: keeping Mr Appleton, putting a serious budget together for players, training facilities, backroom staff etc, getting communication channels between club and fans back on course, any association with AS Monaco that might blight our future. And that's just off the top of my head. My feeling though, is that I want to be positive about our prospects rather than fear the worst.
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Post by oxfordyankee on May 10, 2017 10:25:49 GMT
To the tune of Volare
Sartori, woo-oh-oh-o Sartori, woo-oh-oh-o He comes from Montevideo He loves his team in Yellow
Apologies.
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Post by tatabanya on May 10, 2017 10:27:06 GMT
I'm not sure what the solution is though. You could question the motives of ANY new money man. Due diligence might confirm their financial strength but won't reveal their real intentions. So if DE wants to sell it will always be a risk. That's a fair point Pete. Looking through a couple of your posts, you seem quite excited by the deal, as do many others. I'm not here to p*ss on anyones parade, but I do not want to suffer in a similar vein to the Kassam era. I understand the positivity, I understand the excitement, but I just can't get carried away just yet. Someone put an excellent post on twitter about how we are all so against B-Teams and the evil premiership money, but the second a fella with a few quid is linked with us, were loving it. I would love to see some additional investment, of course I would. My ideal scenario would see the stadium return to us via Satori (if DE can't, and it looks like he can't), but DE to remain majority shareholder. Will it happen? Probably not. Can imagine Satori wants the lot. Seems to me like you are slightly exaggerating the excitement of some. Cautious optimism seems to be the most positive outlook on here, which is fair enough really.
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