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Post by ryaniobirdio on Mar 21, 2017 22:26:25 GMT
That third goal tonight... what? We had the ball with a free kick 35 yards from their goal and somehow ended up putting it out for a corner without Bolton touching it. When it went out their nearest player was about 30 yards away! I have absolutely never seen anything like that. Corner in, out for a throw, throw comes in, bosh.
Hands down THE worst goal I think I've ever seen conceded purely for how their chance to attack came about. I can't recall seeing that before. Not like that, not without someone at least slipping or falling over.
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Post by daveoufc on Mar 21, 2017 22:26:59 GMT
Was Dunks on the left again by any chance? He was moved there sat to help out the more experienced Nelson.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Mar 21, 2017 22:28:42 GMT
Wow how frigging unlucky was that. We should have had a foul just before the non foul on le fondre Definite penalty. Marvs thunderbolt rolling across the frigging line Both boltons shots rebounding straight to their players Dunkley Wtf. Thought Bolton were shite. put 11 players behind the ball and relied on set pieces.
Parkinson saying we the fans swaying the ref. He gave you 3 points lad. Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards Its not how you play the game its how you win that counts.... Jim Smith told me that in 1982.
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Post by tn4yellow on Mar 21, 2017 22:28:58 GMT
Agree with most of the comments regarding tonight and next season. Apps has said it, and it's clear we're 5-6 players short of challenging to get out of this league next year.
Bolton were very physical, strong, balanced, and experienced. 4 things we're probably not. We need 5-6 proven players with a bit about them if we've got any ambitions on promotion. No offence to any of our current squad, I'm proud of what they've done this season, bit it's clear what you need to get to the championship. Sheffield, Bolton, Fleetwood, Bradford have all got it and we're not quite there yet.
Eastwood, Nelson, Lego, Lunny, Johnson, Hall all good. Not convinced the rest of the squad are up to it.
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Post by 54-46 on Mar 21, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
Agree with most of the comments regarding tonight and next season. Apps has said it, and it's clear we're 5-6 players short of challenging to get out of this league next year. Bolton were very physical, strong, balanced, and experienced. 4 things we're probably not. We need 5-6 proven players with a bit about them if we've got any ambitions on promotion. No offence to any of our current squad, I'm proud of what they've done this season, bit it's clear what you need to get to the championship. Sheffield, Bolton, Fleetwood, Bradford have all got it and we're not quite there yet. Eastwood, Nelson, Lego, Lunny, Johnson, Hall all good. Not convinced the rest of the squad are up to it. Did you watch in the Maple Leaf? I walked by and it just seemed to be Ice Hockey on
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 21, 2017 22:30:53 GMT
Was Dunks on the left again by any chance? He was moved there sat to help out the more experienced Nelson. He was, and he really can't play there
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Mar 21, 2017 22:36:23 GMT
Was Dunks on the left again by any chance? He was moved there sat to help out the more experienced Nelson. He was, and he really can't play there We need a naturally left sided centre half as well as a new left back. If we're four or five players short then that's absolutely where two of them are missing from.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 21, 2017 22:36:29 GMT
I thought Dunkley was ok until he had a mental wobble and didn't really recover from it - he went all arms and legs. Perhaps his biggest weakness is between the ears. Nelson just looks a lot smoother and calmer, Dunks at times looks on the edge and then gets prone to make mistakes. It's clear the back 4 needs work for next season.
Today was the game where we just lacked that extra 5%. Bolton were switched on for 2 goals while our players weren't. Eastwood made some wonderful saves but the rest of the team just didn't help him with their part. We need to defend better as a team and track runners better. Hall was far too anonymous and seemed to spend a lot of time in a daze.
The Ref was very strange. To book Connor for a dive when it was as clear as day he'd been tripped rather epitomised his game. Overall, it was an embarrassing performance for him on TV. He missed the handball everyone else saw. MAPP had every right to have a moan because it's been a recurrent theme this season. I don't see what Parkinson is complaining about, his team got a lot from the Ref we didn't. For one, he spent more time on the pitch than Ribiero has this year. His seemed to think the pitch was his technical area. What a knob. He won't make it next year when he can't over spend so much on his team.
I thought Bolton players wanted to be physical, but weren't prepared to get it back. ALF was happy to nudge and nip, not so happy when our players stood up to him. The scream when he ran into Dunkley was embarrassing. Lots of falling over. Their 5 tried to block Hemmings in the 2nd half who just ran him over, but the 5 was in the Refs face complaining it was a foul. It was a foul. For us.
What a shot from Marv though. It deserved a goal. Why no one higher than us took a risk on him amazes me. If we can add some more quality, next season will be very different.
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Post by brassmonkey on Mar 21, 2017 22:39:28 GMT
Eastwood nearly managed to score an own goal as well while trying to control dunkleys 'measured' back pass
Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 21, 2017 22:39:59 GMT
Don't suppose either Carrol or cundy are left footed. Both highly rated apparently maybe give them a go in the run in
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Post by tn4yellow on Mar 21, 2017 22:40:04 GMT
Maple leaf was rocking. 3 of us at the back annoying the happy couples out on a date.
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Post by 54-46 on Mar 21, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
Maple leaf was rocking. 3 of us at the back annoying the happy couples out on a date. I found a corner in philomena's and a barmaid kept brimg me Guiness, othetwise I might've come back at H/T. I was def the only person watching.
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Post by makv on Mar 21, 2017 22:45:26 GMT
Not Dunks' best game of the season. But I still say he's been immense for us for 80% of the season. I don't know if any of our stattos can answer this, but I reckon he must have played more minutes than anyone bar Eastwood this season. Which tells you what MApps thinks.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 21, 2017 22:47:24 GMT
Not Dunks' best game of the season. But I still say he's been immense for us for 80% of the season. I don't know if any of our stattos can answer this, but I reckon he must have played more minutes than anyone bar Eastwood this season. Which tells you what MApps thinks. Respectfully, he's not had much competition so far. A fit Martin would be a different story. Perhaps we saw his limitations tonight, but I hope he can really kick on again like he did last year. I suspect we'll need someone more cultured there next season for how we play. The twinkle in MAPPs eye says it all
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Post by makv on Mar 21, 2017 22:53:11 GMT
Not Dunks' best game of the season. But I still say he's been immense for us for 80% of the season. I don't know if any of our stattos can answer this, but I reckon he must have played more minutes than anyone bar Eastwood this season. Which tells you what MApps thinks. Respectfully, he's not had much competition so far. A fit Martin would be a different story. Perhaps we saw his limitations tonight, but I hope he can really kick on again like he did last year. I suspect we'll need someone more cultured there next season for how we play. The twinkle in MAPPs eye says it all Fair, but still - if MA thought he was short in Jan he'd have addressed it. Dunks is a very limited player, but what he does, he does well in my opinion. And our defensive record is decent.
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Post by joey on Mar 21, 2017 22:55:44 GMT
Surprised at the praise for Bolton, considering the budget they have must be absolutely huge I thought they looked a poor outfit who pretty much hoofed it to Marine (who I thought was excellent). We gifted them two goals by being shambolic defensively, I'll have to see the replay for the second but it didn't look anywhere near a foul from the stands and the fourth was a breakaway while we chased the game.
A lot of tired legs outo there tonight but I thought we looked like we were getting to grips a bit with how to play against the more direct teams and it was nice to see a change of tactics halfway through the first half instead of waiting until it's too late.
Agree with most that we're a few first team players short of challenging for promotion this season, to my mind all the defence could be improved on but the biggest need is for a striker, unfortunately it's not worked out so far with Hemmings but we can't expect every signing to be a hit, generally the scouting teams record has been very good.
On the subject of transfers, I'd snap your hand off to have had Jake Wright in this team, for my money he's comfortably better than any defender we have at the club currently.
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Post by lerekdilley on Mar 21, 2017 22:56:25 GMT
Thought we played ok but Bolton have got their act together recently and have some quality players in their team. Another baffling ref, booking McAleny and missing the handball 5 feet in front of him just 2 of his poor decisions.
I was just horrified to see Jeff Winter praising the ref on Twitter too. These refs probably think they're having good games when those at the top of the old boys club keep telling them they're great.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 21, 2017 22:57:14 GMT
Respectfully, he's not had much competition so far. A fit Martin would be a different story. Perhaps we saw his limitations tonight, but I hope he can really kick on again like he did last year. I suspect we'll need someone more cultured there next season for how we play. The twinkle in MAPPs eye says it all Fair, but still - if MA thought he was short in Jan he'd have addressed it. Dunks is a very limited player, but what he does, he does well in my opinion. And our defensive record is decent. It's fair to say when we play lower sides, Dunks look more comfortable. Against better sides he looks more limited and unsure. It could be a mental barrier where he simply panics because he thinks he has less time and in reality needs to believe he is worthy. Perhaps trying Raglan with Nelson may work, but I think the back 4 needs a change or two in it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 21, 2017 23:00:44 GMT
Fair, but still - if MA thought he was short in Jan he'd have addressed it. Dunks is a very limited player, but what he does, he does well in my opinion. And our defensive record is decent. It's fair to say when we play lower sides, Dunks look more comfortable. Against better sides he looks more limited and unsure. It could be a mental barrier where he simply panics because he thinks he has less time and in reality needs to believe he is worthy. Perhaps trying Raglan with Nelson may work, but I think the back 4 needs a change or two in it. Think your right, raglan looked decent at the start, him and Nelson are both ok in the air and much better on the floor/positioning. That's not to dismiss dunks he has his benefits and games where he will be invaluable
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Post by foley on Mar 21, 2017 23:00:48 GMT
Unfair on Dunkley. He's been one of the more consistent players this season. If we sign better, it's logical that he steps down or moves on, but at present if Martin was fit and with Raglan available, he's still better than both of them. Just a few games ago he was winning MOTM against Peterborough. Re. Hemmings - To me, he's just a better version of Pat Hoban. Does the donkey work, gets little reward for it and finds the goal sporadically from close range. However, he's very flat footed, disappears from the game and rarely influences things. I thought we were signing a goal scorer and yet his league return has been a disappointment overall. Agree with your comments on Dunkley. Almost see where you are coming from re Hemmings/ Hoban except that Hemmings does score a lot of goals (15 this season so far) and Hoban hardly ever scored ....
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Post by bigronaldo on Mar 21, 2017 23:00:53 GMT
All this blame lumped on Dunkley is laughable, his own goal, fair enough, shit, but for me Joe skarz was poor yet again tonight, and our worst defender. A very poor first half from hall where absolutely nothing went right and despite the cracking free kick, a game to forget from Maguire. Hemmings was largely anonymous. Other than that, i felt that we played some really good football tonight, and can count ourselves unlucky not to have got more out of the game. Bolton were functional but beatable and we created more than enough chances second half to have won it.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 21, 2017 23:04:49 GMT
I was just horrified to see Jeff Winter praising the ref on Twitter too. These refs probably think they're having good games when those at the top of the old boys club keep telling them they're great. Blimey. I thought he did himself no favours by being so inconsistent and at times indecisive. It may not have been a Darren Deadman/Keith Hill clunker, but by no means was it a good performance and one where enough little things go wrong, that makes it not good at all. One can argue that if he'd dealt with Madine and ALF being overtly physical with high balls while not challenging from the start, he would not have been in position where ALF bounced off Dunkley's elbow and we get penalised. A little thing that makes a big impact.
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Post by foley on Mar 21, 2017 23:16:42 GMT
Maguire has not been so good recently but I am amazed that so many appear to have forgotten his performances this season. 15 goals now and he had been a huge influence on the team. even when he has a poor game he scores a fantastic free kick (Sky called it right by saying that had that been in the Premiership people would have been drooling over it).
Skarz has not been so good recently defensively and I wonder whether he, Hemmings, and maybe Sercome will be let go at the end of the season?
Bolton were street wise. Physical, took their chances and showed small amounts of quality (as did we with Maguire's free kick). A bit direct and long ball at time (not too disimilar to Sheffield United- although they had Billy Sharp).
Overall it was an excellent second half and had we not given away two stupid defensive goals in the first half, we may well have beaten them. Considering their supposed budget, over the 2 games we have played them this season there is not a huge difference between the teams.
I reckon a decent striker, new full backs (wouldn't Baldock make a huge difference) and and maybe a more experienced CB alongside Nelson and we could be there or there abouts.
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 21, 2017 23:20:41 GMT
The problem with maguire is that when he is good he carries the team, but when he's not he's largely a passenger, when hall has a similar game you're two players down before you even started. You look at the work rate Johno puts in , then just see maguire not other to move a foot forward to get the ball rather than waiting for it to come to him. Frustrating. But the good games more than make up for that, let alone his winding up skills
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Mar 21, 2017 23:26:18 GMT
Skarz has not been so good recently defensively and I wonder whether he, Hemmings, and maybe Sercome will be let go at the end of the season? I cannot see a world where Hemmings is let go. He's our joint top scorer and was signed for a good quarter of a million quid on a three year deal just eight months ago.
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Post by ox4eva on Mar 21, 2017 23:29:06 GMT
Lets try and be realistic, we are not ready to challenge the bigger and better teams.
That is not a criticism, we have had a good season and next season is when we can really judge things.
This league does show that the stronger more organised sides will prosper and we are just not strong enough!
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 22, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
Don't think we deserved to concede four goals, Dunkley is probably the weak link in the back line. We showed grit & determination, and let's not forget that only a short while a go they were in the Premier League whilst we were in non-league. Are you mad? The weak link in our defence got substituted. I doubt we will see him again now..
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 22, 2017 0:09:08 GMT
Agree with most of the comments regarding tonight and next season. Apps has said it, and it's clear we're 5-6 players short of challenging to get out of this league next year. Bolton were very physical, strong, balanced, and experienced. 4 things we're probably not. We need 5-6 proven players with a bit about them if we've got any ambitions on promotion. No offence to any of our current squad, I'm proud of what they've done this season, bit it's clear what you need to get to the championship. Sheffield, Bolton, Fleetwood, Bradford have all got it and we're not quite there yet. Eastwood, Nelson, Lego, Lunny, Johnson, Hall all good. Not convinced the rest of the squad are up to it. Hall was terrible tonight.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 22, 2017 0:10:23 GMT
Fair, but still - if MA thought he was short in Jan he'd have addressed it. Dunks is a very limited player, but what he does, he does well in my opinion. And our defensive record is decent. It's fair to say when we play lower sides, Dunks look more comfortable. Against better sides he looks more limited and unsure. It could be a mental barrier where he simply panics because he thinks he has less time and in reality needs to believe he is worthy. Perhaps trying Raglan with Nelson may work, but I think the back 4 needs a change or two in it. Dunkley had an ok game tonight. Skarz did not.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 22, 2017 0:14:44 GMT
Thought we were robbed tonight. No luck at all. Some terribly slow reactions at the back mullered us.
Bolton looked petrified when we took the handbrake off.
Rate Wheater though. And Madine.
Johnson should have played on flank all evening.
The ref was totally abysmal. Was he bunged a brown envelope?
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