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Post by londonroader on Dec 6, 2016 22:13:09 GMT
Well I'm pleased we have gone through to the next round, beating Southend away is no mean feat in any competition for us, the gaffer was after a win also with the team he put out, COYY
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Post by bashamwonderland on Dec 6, 2016 22:17:25 GMT
Didn't realise this was on, only saw in the Crowley thread this was on tonight. If we get to the final how many on here would go? I think we'd take about 15,000? I wouldn't go and virtually none of the 10-15 or-so people I knew who went to Barnsley would go
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Post by Pete Burrett on Dec 6, 2016 22:21:33 GMT
Didn't realise this was on, only saw in the Crowley thread this was on tonight. If we get to the final how many on here would go? Not wishing to jump on a bandwagon here, but I certainly wouldn't go. It would have the same appeal as a pre-season away at Spennymoor Town. Wasn't that interested last time. Thoroughly enjoyed the first two visits though!
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Post by MJB on Dec 6, 2016 22:24:31 GMT
In spite of everything else, the extra £20,000 in the kitty from tonight (and £40,000 in total) will be good for the transfer window.
Perhaps that is a clue as to why Apples fielded a strong side.
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Post by charliesghost on Dec 6, 2016 22:29:16 GMT
Still 3, I'm afraid! This just puts us in the last 16. Thankfully they've done away with the two-legged semi-finals, otherwise it would still be four to go! So far, our choices in the next round are: Wolves U21 Blackpool Swansea U21 Chesterfield Brighton U21 Mansfield Scunthorpe Luton Yeovil So, universally terrible. But there's still three games in this round to go tomorrow, one next Tuesday, one on Wednesday 21st and one on Tuesday January 10th (WTF?) What a ridiculous competition it's turned into this year. It used to be pointless. Now it's pointless and random. Whilst entirely understanding everyone's irritations about the quirks introduced this year, I just don't feel the same way. When I look at our Trophy Cabinet, I see about three things we've won that are worth being proud of: third tier championship, second tier championship, League Cup. That is what we have to show for over 50 years of professional football. Then there are various ways or 6 a side trophies, an Oxfordshire Senior Cup, blah blah. So winning the lower league trophy is not, for me, to be sniffed at by OUFC. We'll have to win what will be a tightly contested semi-final and a final at Wembley against a side far better than York City. What is not to like about that kind of success? As many on here will attest I'm far from a reluctant cynic. But I hope that sometimes I can see the wood for the trees. I don't like the Champions League format. For me, it was a better competition between genuine champions. And the Europa League is vastly inferior to the old UEFA Cup. But I'd still want whatever side I support to win one or either. I'm glad we're three game from Wembley; I'll go to the next game and hope we can be two games from Wembley, and so on. And, if we win, I'll be glad that we've beaten all the under 21 sides and shown that a decent lower league outfit is better than a bunch of kids, even if the kids are on treble the money.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Dec 6, 2016 22:33:37 GMT
Didn't realise this was on, only saw in the Crowley thread this was on tonight. If we get to the final how many on here would go? I think we'd take about 15,000? I wouldn't go and virtually none of the 10-15 or-so people I knew who went to Barnsley would go It would be interesting to see. I wouldn't go because I made the decision to boycott no matter what this year, as did others. But we're probably talking a few thousand tops when you consider that we get about 7,000 home fans on average and maybe only half of those are bothered. It's the casual fans and the day trippers that mean we take 33,000+ when we play there, not the hardcore fan base. With that in mind, I still think you'd be looking at 25,000 minimum. Probably still 30,000 odd in all honesty. Especially as a few people who were previously bothered would suddenly find watching the team at Wembley too much to miss, and would secretly cave in and spend the day avoiding people they know, who have also secretly bought a ticket.
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Post by Mark on Dec 6, 2016 22:38:50 GMT
Look 4000 fans went to MK dons so of course fans will go to Wembley.
Unless of course they are complete hypocrites who pretend that MK dons is a proper team, whereas the trophy isn't a proper competition.
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Post by eighteen93 on Dec 6, 2016 22:43:14 GMT
Another £20k in the coffers is not to be sniffed at either.
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Post by dabigfella on Dec 6, 2016 22:58:22 GMT
I will only really become interested in this competition when the last fancy dan under 21 side is out of it. If one of them reaches the final by the big boys cheating an playing first team players I definitely wont be going to Wembley if we were to get there.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Dec 6, 2016 23:05:49 GMT
I bet if we get to Wembley again, 90% of the posters on this thread would turn up.
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Post by tatabanya on Dec 6, 2016 23:05:51 GMT
Look 4000 fans went to MK dons so of course fans will go to Wembley. Unless of course they are complete hypocrites who pretend that MK dons is a proper team, whereas the trophy isn't a proper competition. I can't believe that you are serious? Whenever 3 pts are on offer, the game matters and fans will rightly show up in numbers.
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Post by makv on Dec 6, 2016 23:38:03 GMT
I will only really become interested in this competition when the last fancy dan under 21 side is out of it. If one of them reaches the final by the big boys cheating an playing first team players I definitely wont be going to Wembley if we were to get there. Have to agree with this. I've boycotted it so far and will continue to do so. But I think I would actually drag my *rse along to Wembley to watch a final against Luton. And possibly against Wycombe or Bradford. But definitely not against an Academy side, no way. Yup
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Post by bigcrompy on Dec 7, 2016 0:08:11 GMT
If we're saying the scum 'win' on penalties didn't break our 6 in a row surely we can't say this is finally a 'win' at southend?! Either way, I suppose progressing to the next round is good for general morale and no injuries is a benefit, but I still refuse to get excited about this farcical and patronising competition Precisely this. Both draws. If you look at the official FIFA or FA records on England's World Cup travails, the games against e.g. Germany and Argentina were both recorded as draws. Agree with your sentiments re: progression in this comp, too. Hopefully this represents a wee bit of form coming into a vital League weekend.
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Post by scotchegg on Dec 7, 2016 0:33:57 GMT
Still 3, I'm afraid! This just puts us in the last 16. Thankfully they've done away with the two-legged semi-finals, otherwise it would still be four to go! So far, our choices in the next round are: Wolves U21 Blackpool Swansea U21 Chesterfield Brighton U21 Mansfield Scunthorpe Luton Yeovil So, universally terrible. But there's still three games in this round to go tomorrow, one next Tuesday, one on Wednesday 21st and one on Tuesday January 10th (WTF?) What a ridiculous competition it's turned into this year. It used to be pointless. Now it's pointless and random. Whilst entirely understanding everyone's irritations about the quirks introduced this year, I just don't feel the same way. When I look at our Trophy Cabinet, I see about three things we've won that are worth being proud of: third tier championship, second tier championship, League Cup. That is what we have to show for over 50 years of professional football. Then there are various ways or 6 a side trophies, an Oxfordshire Senior Cup, blah blah. So winning the lower league trophy is not, for me, to be sniffed at by OUFC. We'll have to win what will be a tightly contested semi-final and a final at Wembley against a side far better than York City. What is not to like about that kind of success? As many on here will attest I'm far from a reluctant cynic. But I hope that sometimes I can see the wood for the trees. I don't like the Champions League format. For me, it was a better competition between genuine champions. And the Europa League is vastly inferior to the old UEFA Cup. But I'd still want whatever side I support to win one or either. I'm glad we're three game from Wembley; I'll go to the next game and hope we can be two games from Wembley, and so on. And, if we win, I'll be glad that we've beaten all the under 21 sides and shown that a decent lower league outfit is better than a bunch of kids, even if the kids are on treble the money. Agreed. Disagree with the format and inclusion of the under 21's but would rather see Oxford win every game given the choice. Of course it is not our first priority, but last year proved that the competition does not need to be a distraction and helps to boost confidence and give fringe players more opportunities. I'm fortunate enough to have been to Wembley for each of our 3 appearances and would be there again in a heartbeat if we make the final. So let's hope we win the next 4, and it's not the end of the world if we don’t!
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Post by saddletramp on Dec 7, 2016 4:56:04 GMT
I think we'd take about 15,000? I wouldn't go and virtually none of the 10-15 or-so people I knew who went to Barnsley would go It would be interesting to see. I wouldn't go because I made the decision to boycott no matter what this year, as did others. But we're probably talking a few thousand tops when you consider that we get about 7,000 home fans on average and maybe only half of those are bothered. It's the casual fans and the day trippers that mean we take 33,000+ when we play there, not the hardcore fan base. With that in mind, I still think you'd be looking at 25,000 minimum. Probably still 30,000 odd in all honesty. Especially as a few people who were previously bothered would suddenly find watching the team at Wembley too much to miss, and would secretly cave in and spend the day avoiding people they know, who have also secretly bought a ticket. Even if the competition had stayed the same format,i don't believe we would take anywhere near as many as last year. For many people its a new experience,a day out,a first time at Wembley,after going last year i think many would give it a miss . Mind you Brighton U21s have never been to Wembley,so they might take 40,000
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Post by foley on Dec 7, 2016 7:16:10 GMT
As some are suggesting £40,000 prize money to date is not to be sniffed at.
Does anybody know how the prize money goes up from now? With the 2 TV appearances in the FA Cup as well the club are making decent money in the Cup competitions which will hopefully be useful in the January transfer window.
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Post by londonroader on Dec 7, 2016 7:18:36 GMT
At first no one cared to recognize this competition, now there's talk of Wembley and stuff...
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 7, 2016 7:29:41 GMT
At first no one cared to recognize this competition, now there's talk of Wembley and stuff... Could that be because the two main reasons for the boycott were, the whole game solution and bteams entering the league. Both have now been ruled out
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Post by outsidethebox on Dec 7, 2016 7:38:44 GMT
I've got no interest in this competiton whatsoever. When is the draw for the next round? Will Macca still be suspended?
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Post by canterburyexile on Dec 7, 2016 7:41:47 GMT
I totally agree with Charlie. I listened from Spain last evening and always want us to win any game. The income is helpful too, and may help fund additions to a thinning squad. I accept the EFL trophy format is massively flawed and respect others who boycott but find some of the childish comments ,making out that individuals will not even show a modicum of interest rather, tiring now. Mapp and DE obviously see merit in using it as a useful competitive run out, hence the strong sides put out.
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Post by bigfella72 on Dec 7, 2016 7:49:24 GMT
At first no one cared to recognize this competition, now there's talk of Wembley and stuff... Could that be because the two main reasons for the boycott were, the whole game solution and bteams entering the league. Both have now been ruled out Or just the fact it's a possibility it might happen? Doesn't mean people are getting excited?
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Post by osleroad on Dec 7, 2016 8:03:44 GMT
Think it was great for the confidence and am pleased to have got over the hurdle of not winning penalty shoot outs and at our nemesis of grounds at that. Interesting comments from Mapp post match about laying down the law.
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Post by yellowfever1 on Dec 7, 2016 8:11:48 GMT
I know it's only a small gesture, but we could give our gate receipts to Southend. With 88 fans, we could give them nearly a grand.
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Post by arthurturner on Dec 7, 2016 8:31:28 GMT
I think we'd take about 15,000? I wouldn't go and virtually none of the 10-15 or-so people I knew who went to Barnsley would go It would be interesting to see. I wouldn't go because I made the decision to boycott no matter what this year, as did others. But we're probably talking a few thousand tops when you consider that we get about 7,000 home fans on average and maybe only half of those are bothered. It's the casual fans and the day trippers that mean we take 33,000+ when we play there, not the hardcore fan base. With that in mind, I still think you'd be looking at 25,000 minimum. Probably still 30,000 odd in all honesty. Especially as a few people who were previously bothered would suddenly find watching the team at Wembley too much to miss, and would secretly cave in and spend the day avoiding people they know, who have also secretly bought a ticket. Charlie, your posts are usually insightful, thoughtful and informative. On this I'm afraid you have completely missed the point. The format of this trophy is the start of a conspiracy by the EFL and the Premier League to remodel the football pyramid to the detriment of clubs like ours and with complete disregard to the wishes of their fans. I don't want to see a trophy in our cabinet that we won under this format. Opposing it is what any genuine fan who cares about the long term future should do.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 7, 2016 8:35:17 GMT
It would be interesting to see. I wouldn't go because I made the decision to boycott no matter what this year, as did others. But we're probably talking a few thousand tops when you consider that we get about 7,000 home fans on average and maybe only half of those are bothered. It's the casual fans and the day trippers that mean we take 33,000+ when we play there, not the hardcore fan base. With that in mind, I still think you'd be looking at 25,000 minimum. Probably still 30,000 odd in all honesty. Especially as a few people who were previously bothered would suddenly find watching the team at Wembley too much to miss, and would secretly cave in and spend the day avoiding people they know, who have also secretly bought a ticket. Charlie, your posts are usually insightful, thoughtful and informative. On this I'm afraid you have completely missed the point. The format of this trophy is the start of a conspiracy by the EFL and the Premier League to remodel the football pyramid to the detriment of clubs like ours and with complete disregard to the wishes of their fans. I don't want to see a trophy in our cabinet that we won under this format. Opposing it is what any genuine fan who cares about the long term future should do. 1/ you ain't quoted Charlie 2/ it may have been a conspiracy, but it has now been totally scrapped. Furthermore it's a trial , can't see many clubs voting it in permanently with the reaction so far from their supporters. By going to a game and supporting your club does not question your loyalty as a genuine fan. Even if u now only class it as a reserve team fixture, u can still go and watch oufc reserves. In fact I have many times
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Post by headingtonutd on Dec 7, 2016 9:35:01 GMT
So, universally terrible. But there's still three games in this round to go tomorrow, one next Tuesday, one on Wednesday 21st and one on Tuesday January 10th (WTF?) What a ridiculous competition it's turned into this year. It used to be pointless. Now it's pointless and random. Whilst entirely understanding everyone's irritations about the quirks introduced this year, I just don't feel the same way. When I look at our Trophy Cabinet, I see about three things we've won that are worth being proud of: third tier championship, second tier championship, League Cup. That is what we have to show for over 50 years of professional football. Then there are various ways or 6 a side trophies, an Oxfordshire Senior Cup, blah blah. So winning the lower league trophy is not, for me, to be sniffed at by OUFC. We'll have to win what will be a tightly contested semi-final and a final at Wembley against a side far better than York City. What is not to like about that kind of success? As many on here will attest I'm far from a reluctant cynic. But I hope that sometimes I can see the wood for the trees. I don't like the Champions League format. For me, it was a better competition between genuine champions. And the Europa League is vastly inferior to the old UEFA Cup. But I'd still want whatever side I support to win one or either. I'm glad we're three game from Wembley; I'll go to the next game and hope we can be two games from Wembley, and so on. And, if we win, I'll be glad that we've beaten all the under 21 sides and shown that a decent lower league outfit is better than a bunch of kids, even if the kids are on treble the money. Agreed. My major concern with this competition was the possibility of the restructure of our leagues on the back of it. It seems now that we are pretty safe from that and that teams who merit a place in the league will get it. The chairmen will never let that be voted in. The competition itself was never really a problem for me. It's the lesser of the 'major' cups we are involved in so why not experiment a little with it and see how it goes? I can't say i'm even that bothered about the U21's being involved. It adds a little interest and is good for young British players to develop in a proper game atmosphere (and god knows we need them to practice penalty shoot outs). I do think however that allowing teams to play older professionals just to get them fit again or to give them a run out is ridiculous and I also think there needs to be a little bit more tolerance with league teams using squad players. This cup is never going to have the prestige of the FA cup but it's a televised Wembley final and a bloody good day out (if you are sensible enough to take the train and not get stuck in the carpark for three hours afterwards). Why would we not want to win it?
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Post by Toeby on Dec 7, 2016 10:05:36 GMT
I said I wouldn't go to Wembley for the Checkatrade and I stand by that.
In my opinion, the format of the cup is a joke and regardless of what the league may have said since, I do not trust them for a second. I would not go to Wembley as I would not want to give anyone the chance to point to attendance stats and say 'see, people don't mind'. I'm only one person but I know others who feel the same.
That said, I do believe winning games breeds confidence and I would want us to win every game we play in. So really, I hope we win the thing and it catapults us up the league, but the Wembley turnout is so p*ss poor that nobody tries to violate lower league football for the benefit of prem teams again.
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Post by cornishox on Dec 7, 2016 10:23:28 GMT
I would 100% go Wembley to see our boys play. I understand everyone's opinion and respect it but for Oxford United we don't get the opportunity to go Wembley that often and if our players have done so well to get there then I feel they alone deserve our support that day. I'm sure they would be a bit gutted with a poor turnout knowing how many we took last year for it. Like I say I am not slating anyone who would boycott it but personally if Oxford reach a Wembley final then I feel the club deserve my support.
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Post by sihath on Dec 7, 2016 11:28:32 GMT
I want Oxford to win every game they take part in, including games in this competition.
But I still have massive issues with the competition. There are 2 different sets of rules for the teams entering the competition. The non L1 and L2 teams can do what they want, field whoever they want, play games when it suits them, and all the while the EFL (stupid re-brand by-the-way) are bending over backwards to accommodate them.
Meanwhile L1 and L2 teams are being fined for playing young English players in a competition that is supposed to help bring through young English talent.
Football competitions are fairly simple. Leagues: points awarded for wins and draws and everyone plays each other home and away and the team with the most points wins.
Cups. Draws made, teams play and the winner goes through. Last one standing wins.
Once you start making changes (almost always for financial reasons) you lose a little (or a lot) of the integrity of the competition.
The number of stupid rules around this competition make it a farce. Penalty shoot outs in the league stages. U23 teams fielding 30+ year old foreign internationals.
The (English) Football League have ruined what was an OK competition, and boycotting it has been my small (tiny, minuscule) way of making my stand against stupid people in charge of the game I love making stupid changes.
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Post by essexyellows on Dec 7, 2016 11:32:59 GMT
I can`t believe people are so gullible that the PL/Trough of Greed won`t come back round to this. They got an almighty feck you from the fans, the clubs weren`t influenced by the £££ signs either. They will be back in some shape or form either with a bigger cheque or wait until the most recent TV deal expires.
Did I go against Barnsley, hell yes & it was a cracking day out & then some!
Would I go to Wembley in this format? No. #bteamboycott
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