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Post by bluealice on Nov 13, 2016 15:37:48 GMT
Typical woman has to have the last word 😁 Too right!! [ but I'm a bloke!!], my handle is the combined names of my old greyhounds....... come on greyhound lovers who remembers Black Alice !!!
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Post by upthecowboys on Nov 13, 2016 15:41:47 GMT
At the start of the season it was obvious that we'd lack a bit of nouse / old pro experience this time around. As others have said Hylton, Wright etc got the team going when we weren't playing well and Hylts in particular got in the faces of the oppo and put them off their game. I'd like to have seen an experienced Div 1 / lower champ centre mid come in to get us going when we weren't playing or help the team to close a game out.
Another area we need to look at is full backs, we were lucky to have Baldock last year but it highlighted what we're now missing. If you have a full back who is a genuine attacking threat but who can also defend then it is a big advantage. It allows you to put in a more densive midfielder who can dig in when needed and make you harder to beat. Not seen enough of Ribeiro pre Oxford to comment, but if he is 75% of the player Baldock I'd then once fit he'll make a difference.
One final point, with current debts etc and despite recent player sales surely we can't expect DE to dip in to his pocket / increase our debts? Whilst I can see a case for seeing if we can release Ryan Taylor, I can't think of any others we should try and move out - players on decent salaries, or who aren't being subsidised by their parent club etc. Ryan Taylor is OK but I'd swap him for a bit of grizzly old pro experience in the middle of the park.
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Post by oxfordpete999 on Nov 13, 2016 15:58:02 GMT
I am also concerned (as many are) with..... yes right back.....midfield... Ledson, Rothwell and Crowley (wherever he plays), given space they all have undoubted talent.....but they aren't given the space they need, they are all a bit lightweight and moved off the ball quite easily.......Lunny is out of form at the moment.... Sercs, who hasn't been at his best (then who has) is a battler.... but looks like we could be without him for a game or 2, the forwards....we are creating chances, but not scoring enough... Hemmimgs had 2 chances yesterday but headed straight at the goalie..... we do have a talented squad, but that needs to be converted into points, 2 home games coming up and we need 6 points.....
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Post by yellowoptimist on Nov 13, 2016 16:10:07 GMT
I am also concerned (as many are) with..... yes right back.....midfield... Ledson, Rothwell and Crowley (wherever he plays), given space they all have undoubted talent.....but they aren't given the space they need, they are all a bit lightweight and moved off the ball quite easily.......Lunny is out of form at the moment.... Sercs, who hasn't been at his best (then who has) is a battler.... but looks like we could be without him for a game or 2, the forwards....we are creating chances, but not scoring enough... Hemmimgs had 2 chances yesterday but headed straight at the goalie..... we do have a talented squad, but that needs to be converted into points, 2 home games coming up and we need 6 points..... Most frustrating thing about Hemings yesterday was the lack of anticipation and desire to get there in the box. Twice with a modicum of movement and effort he would have had chances on a plate. Not what you expect from a natural goal scorer!
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Post by leysboy on Nov 13, 2016 16:20:19 GMT
Yesterday was a disaster. That's the worst first half I've seen this season. I won't panic like others at this early stage of the season, because there is plenty of time to earn lots of points.
There were lots of negatives throughout the game. Raglan,Ledson,Johnson were extremely poor. Ledson in my opinion was the worst. He always gave the ball away, and never looked to where he was passing the ball. Raglan was negative, and never wanted to over lap and offer the midfield another option when in possession. Johnson did look to try and put the ball in the box from time to time, but mostly he was pumping the ball up field, which resulted in either going out of play or to the opposition.
The second half was better, and we should of scored at least two. Hemmings missed a sitter from 6 yards, after a good passage of play, and cross from Sercombe. Nelson also missed a great chance from a free kick/corner. The decent spell after Half time lasted about 20 minutes. Then we faded, and run out of ideas.
I think 2-0 completely flattered Shrewsbury. They were no great shakes what so ever.
There first goal: in my opinion we were really hard done by. Dunkley should of been given a free kick because of a high boot. That then resulted in them getting a shot in on goal, which Eastwood should of dealt with! He didn't. It went through his hands on to the crossbar, then the blonde lad missed the ball, but kind of rolled onto it, and hit his hand and went in.
There second goal only happened due to us going for a draw and committing players forward for a set piece.
The referee was very poor, and kept giving free kicks whenever there players went down, which was usually Toney it has to be said. We can't blame the referee all the time, because our players need to create and do better.
I felt Sercombe was played out of position yesterday. He's more effective in the middle, rather than out wide. Hopefully his injury isn't serious!
On the whole it was very dissapointing. We can't get any worse than yesterday.
Good away following, and good support throughout that deserved better. Roll on next game.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 13, 2016 17:13:52 GMT
The thing is, the relegation battle really starts in ernest in March/April unless you'be had a nightmare season, but our form at present is relegation fodder and that is what needs to change nas soon as possible.
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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 13, 2016 18:18:09 GMT
We've spent more than pretty much anyone in our league. DE has more than put his hand in his pocket.and Johnson and Hemming were two great signings on paper.
Unfortunately we are nowhere near the standard expected. We're a very poor team at present and it's worrying.
Last year we had a bit of magic. This year we can't even pass water.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 13, 2016 18:57:14 GMT
Don't actually think we're in a relegation fight yet as I think this really only happens when you're in the bottom 4 or there or thereabouts in March/April, but our form at present is relegation fodder.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 13, 2016 19:10:36 GMT
Worrying signs that we are consistantly failing to beat the poorest teams in this league. How many are relegated from this league this season? Because we really need to start finding a way to win or we will be one of them. Games like these are starting to rack up with our strikers unable to provide us with the goals that we desperately need. We are not in a relegation fight just yet, but if we don't find a solution to this weak, exposed underbelly soon, we soon will be. Time for the players and the staff to earn their corn. coventry have no money its why Mowbray left they can't strengthen. a good january and you'll be fine. you are not adrift by a long shot the bottom 3 the gap is opening so its the fourth spot to avoid. it's a mid-table squad next year it will be top 10 hopefully too many people saw what happened last year and got carried away truth is clubs like Norwich and southampton kept the spines of prem squads. budget wise you are minnows 1 mistake DE made he should've valued roofe at 5m instead of being so quick to sell to leeds it woud've given you 3.8m instead of 1.8m you bargined them a striker What a load of un-informed rubbish. Far be it from me to defend our chairman, but that was a cracking price for Roofe and I budget - I estimate - is about 3 million. Which, far from making us minnows, is top 10 in this league! So our problem is not the Board's decision to sell Roofe nor the Board's budget allocation. Both look entirely sound and sensible to me. The decisions to sell O'Dowda, and let Hylton and Wright (the 2 biggest characters in the dressing room) drift away for no obvious reason look far more culpable. But that is with the benefit of hindsight (not COD, but the other two). We've lost our way a little since the Wimbledon debacle, and the players and management are now under pressure. That is football, and we will find out next Saturday if they are up for the challenge. But I'm not having that our budget is the problem. How it's been spent, maybe, but that is a different subject matter, a still too early to judge.
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Post by lukehudson on Nov 13, 2016 19:29:34 GMT
What a load of rubbish that was, next game needs to be a massive improvement, our players need to step up ASAP and actually play to the level they all can do (which we are yet to see). If i am honest i would drop Maguire next game and his attitude when things aren't going well is not a good thing to have on the pitch.
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Post by yellowfever1 on Nov 13, 2016 19:44:43 GMT
It's not looking good but when Hall and Riberio come back, we will turn from a relegation battling team to one that is challenging for the playoffs/top three.
We just have to be patient and try and tread water until we are back to full strength.
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Post by baggs on Nov 14, 2016 1:11:48 GMT
coventry have no money its why Mowbray left they can't strengthen. a good january and you'll be fine. you are not adrift by a long shot the bottom 3 the gap is opening so its the fourth spot to avoid. it's a mid-table squad next year it will be top 10 hopefully too many people saw what happened last year and got carried away truth is clubs like Norwich and southampton kept the spines of prem squads. budget wise you are minnows 1 mistake DE made he should've valued roofe at 5m instead of being so quick to sell to leeds it woud've given you 3.8m instead of 1.8m you bargined them a striker What a load iof un-informed rubbish. Far be it from me to defend our chairman, but that was a cracking price for Roofe and I budget - I estimate - is about 3 million. Which, far from making us minnows, is top 10 in this league! So our problem is not the Board's decision to sell Roofe nor the Board's budget allocation. Both look entirely sound and sensible to me. The decisions to sell O'Dowda, and let Hylton and Wright (the 2 biggest characters in the dressing room) drift away for no obvious reason look far more culpable. But that is with the benefit of hindsight (not COD, but the other two). We've lost our way a little since the Wimbledon debacle, and the players and management are now under pressure. That is football, and we will find out next Saturday if they are up for the challenge. But I'm not having that our budget is the problem. How it's been spent, maybe, but that is a different subject matter, a still too early to judge. Calm down dear you'll yourself a mischief firstly I explained what i meant about roofe and how the transfer market changed within weeks of selling in another post with a lower league dutch player going to wolves for almost £5m why does Oxvox exsist? is it because you're servicing a debt to Kassam. a top ten league 2 budget doesn't mean a thing in this league being minnows just means you have to be shrewd ttake it as an insualt if you want wsn't meant as one. o'dowda left becuse he's an international so needed the championship Hylton perhaps becuse he knew his limits
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 14, 2016 7:38:50 GMT
It's not looking good but when Hall and Riberio come back, we will turn from a relegation battling team to one that is challenging for the playoffs/top three. We just have to be patient and try and tread water until we are back to full strength. So far the players coming into the team who we think will make all the difference haven't e.g. Hemming, Johnson, Ledsom. What concerns me is that the return of Hall and Riberio will go the same way. I know that this is a negative view. I'm of the opinion that we may have replaced players who have left but we haven't replaced characters.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 14, 2016 8:06:04 GMT
What a load iof un-informed rubbish. Far be it from me to defend our chairman, but that was a cracking price for Roofe and I budget - I estimate - is about 3 million. Which, far from making us minnows, is top 10 in this league! So our problem is not the Board's decision to sell Roofe nor the Board's budget allocation. Both look entirely sound and sensible to me. The decisions to sell O'Dowda, and let Hylton and Wright (the 2 biggest characters in the dressing room) drift away for no obvious reason look far more culpable. But that is with the benefit of hindsight (not COD, but the other two). We've lost our way a little since the Wimbledon debacle, and the players and management are now under pressure. That is football, and we will find out next Saturday if they are up for the challenge. But I'm not having that our budget is the problem. How it's been spent, maybe, but that is a different subject matter, a still too early to judge. Calm down dear you'll yourself a mischief firstly I explained what i meant about roofe and how the transfer market changed within weeks of selling in another post with a lower league dutch player going to wolves for almost £5m why does Oxvox exsist? is it because you're servicing a debt to Kassam. a top ten league 2 budget doesn't mean a thing in this league being minnows just means you have to be shrewd ttake it as an insualt if you want wsn't meant as one. o'dowda left becuse he's an international so needed the championship Hylton perhaps becuse he knew his limits What has any of this got to do with OxVox? What a very odd thing to say.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2016 9:36:14 GMT
Calm down dear you'll yourself a mischief firstly I explained what i meant about roofe and how the transfer market changed within weeks of selling in another post with a lower league dutch player going to wolves for almost £5m why does Oxvox exsist? is it because you're servicing a debt to Kassam. a top ten league 2 budget doesn't mean a thing in this league being minnows just means you have to be shrewd ttake it as an insualt if you want wsn't meant as one. o'dowda left becuse he's an international so needed the championship Hylton perhaps becuse he knew his limits What has any of this got to do with OxVox? What a very odd thing to say. Especially from a Baggies fan. (Not picking on a new member Paul Cannell, just saying).
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Post by bigronaldo on Nov 14, 2016 11:18:46 GMT
If i'm honest, i didn't see us being so weak willed this season. I thought that the team that ripped oppositions to shreds last season could kick on and really have a go this year. This division though has proved to be really tough and we are finding it hard to find the space and rhythm to break down teams and score goals.
So I guess it is now that we must trust mapp to get it right. He has been in a similar position to this, where the parts don't seem to work before, and he fixed it. As everyone says, on paper, we look to have the personnel in place. So, stating the flippin obvious, Somehow, he has to start getting the very best from those players, build confidence and find a way forward that is more effective. We are not in trouble yet, but i would happily settle for a mid-table mediocre finish right now!
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Post by middlebartonyellow on Nov 14, 2016 14:42:57 GMT
I think Appleton only knows his best 5/6 and everyone beyond that are inconsistent. Mind you as proved in the past he can be pretty ruthless when he has to be so there will be changes in Jan if there is no improvement. I don't doubt him even if some of those idiots that ring up radox do.
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Post by baggs on Nov 14, 2016 14:53:27 GMT
What has any of this got to do with OxVox? What a very odd thing to say. Especially from a Baggies fan. (Not picking on a new member Paul Cannell, just saying). I was talking about budget and mostly the debt to Kassam which is why I asked about Oxvox.Am I wrong about it? People are worried about relegation already. Point I was trying make is there are clubs in this league that spaff £3m on a Desso pitch (Sheffield) Compared spending power like that you are minnows but spend what you have smart you'll be fine
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2016 15:19:45 GMT
Especially from a Baggies fan. (Not picking on a new member Paul Cannell, just saying). I was talking about budget and mostly the debt to Kassam which is why I asked about Oxvox.Am I wrong about it? People are worried about relegation already. Point I was trying make is there are clubs in this league that spaff £3m on a Desso pitch (Sheffield) Compared spending power like that you are minnows but spend what you have smart you'll be fine You wrote: why does Oxvox exsist? is it because you're servicing a debt to Kassam
Then you wrote: I was talking about budget and mostly the debt to Kassam which is why I asked about Oxvox
These are quite peculiar statements / questions. Why are you making any sort of connection between OxVox and servicing debts to Kassam?
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Post by Colin B on Nov 14, 2016 19:00:12 GMT
This baggs character has taken this into a very weird direction.
We do not have ant debt to kassam. OxVox are nothing to do with this particular conversation. Why even bring OxVox up? We were talking about relegation, the playing side of things, nothing to do with OxVox.
Why say "why do OxVox exist?" it's just an extremely strange thing to say.
Why say we are minnows in this league, when we are eight best supported at home and second best supported away, with a catchment area that could support higher level football?
Did Sheffield United really spend £3 million on their pitch? That seem an awful lot of money when a leading sports stadium architect told me that £1.5 million would be the going rate for a state of the art premier league/international surface. Our own revolutionary surface cost about 20% of this by the way.
I'm all for fans of other clubs giving their view on here, but something doesn't quite add up with regards the witterings of this chap.
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Post by sox on Nov 14, 2016 20:08:07 GMT
coventry have no money its why Mowbray left they can't strengthen. a good january and you'll be fine. you are not adrift by a long shot the bottom 3 the gap is opening so its the fourth spot to avoid. it's a mid-table squad next year it will be top 10 hopefully too many people saw what happened last year and got carried away truth is clubs like Norwich and southampton kept the spines of prem squads. budget wise you are minnows 1 mistake DE made he should've valued roofe at 5m instead of being so quick to sell to leeds it woud've given you 3.8m instead of 1.8m you bargined them a striker What a load of un-informed rubbish. Far be it from me to defend our chairman, but that was a cracking price for Roofe and I budget - I estimate - is about 3 million. Which, far from making us minnows, is top 10 in this league! So our problem is not the Board's decision to sell Roofe nor the Board's budget allocation. Both look entirely sound and sensible to me. The decisions to sell O'Dowda, and let Hylton and Wright (the 2 biggest characters in the dressing room) drift away for no obvious reason look far more culpable. But that is with the benefit of hindsight (not COD, but the other two). We've lost our way a little since the Wimbledon debacle, and the players and management are now under pressure. That is football, and we will find out next Saturday if they are up for the challenge. But I'm not having that our budget is the problem. How it's been spent, maybe, but that is a different subject matter, a still too early to judge. Agree with all this bar two points: 1. I think we were right to let Wright go - agree with you re Hylton. 2. We won't find out next Saturday if they are up for the challenge ... we'll find out over the course of the rest of the season. Like I said earlier in this thread, I'm confident we'll end up (at least) mid table by January. I should be more specific... mid table being the middle third and 'by January' I'm talking about the end of the month. Why so confident... because there's at least 8 teams I believe are worse off than us squad wise AND I believe we'll strengthen in January AND I believe MAPP is still learning his trade, I think he has the ability to get a lot more out of the squad and I think he does learn (that said I'm not convinced he's the fastest learner - but compared to what we have suffered over recent years it works for me).
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