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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 20:22:31 GMT
Letting Hylton leave was a ridiculously bad piece of judgment. He scored goals, unsettled defenders and by his attitude kept everyone's heads high in times of need. Maguire is clearly talented but I'm really not sure he is a team player at all. A year ago we had goals coming from everywhere on the pitch. Now we have very few really potent players. A year ago we had four or five players who could take on an opponent and create chances and space. Now we have almost no-one. Seriously fearful of a relegation battle.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2016 20:46:54 GMT
Having seen the replay of the tackle for the goal, I can honestly say I have no idea why it's not a foul. Just completely reckless and out of control from their player and in theory in the vision of the lino and Ref. No excuse for missing it all or nor thinking it wasn't a foul. It is exactly what the FA are trying to stamp out. It was a definite penalty as well. Maguire's foot was taken out. What can he do other than get booked for diving? The player didn't get near the ball.
The formation did not work today. We looked slow at the back and ponderous on the ball. For all of Macca's hard work, the end product was still somewhere in Bolton. I hope he finds it this week. I can see Nelson getting a development game in the week with a view to getting him into the team. Anyone that is talking relegation needs to take a breath. And a chill pill
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2016 20:52:02 GMT
The obsession with Hylton needs to end. Loved the guy in his time here, but we had to move on when he went for 2 year contract. I suspect the only thing he'd have achieved today was getting booked.
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Post by dannyboy on Oct 9, 2016 20:57:47 GMT
The obsession with Hylton needs to end. Loved the guy in his time here, but we had to move on when he went for 2 year contract. I suspect the only thing he'd have achieved today was getting booked. Or maybe scored a couple? Who knows.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2016 21:01:53 GMT
The obsession with Hylton needs to end. Loved the guy in his time here, but we had to move on when he went for 2 year contract. I suspect the only thing he'd have achieved today was getting booked. Or maybe scored a couple? Who knows. It doesn't matter either way as he's in Luton now. So whatever I or anyone thinks is irrelevant!
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Post by huntezoufc on Oct 9, 2016 21:45:06 GMT
Hemmings will score goals in this division. In fairness to the lad I don't know anyone else that would of got much out those two centre backs the way we were playing the ball up top. Nobody had a good game today, it was only Maguire again who looked to have some idea. From the start the formation and team was wrong, macca and Thomas did very well when they came on last weekend but today was a totally different game. Probably the worst I've seen us play in a while. At the start of the year we were playing 4-4-2 and it wasn't working, mapp then changed it to 4-2-3-1 and it made a massive difference. Playing rothwell in the middle with lunny, having sercombe further forward was working well! Maguire wide of a 3, he is much more central and effective. We will lose more games this year purely because the opposition is better, we won't be playing many teams like Wimbledon. They did a job but majority of the division will play better football. Guarantee next week against Bradford we will look better and wouldn't surprise me if we win, more important we do after today. Today was a mix of Sunday game.. tv.. S**t ref, a better Wycombe and we were crap. Don't panic.. we go again.
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Post by thesecretposter on Oct 9, 2016 22:11:25 GMT
Alright Wilder! A true and honest post though to be fair.
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Post by huntezoufc on Oct 9, 2016 23:25:39 GMT
Alright Wilder! A true and honest post though to be fair. Haha! Can't say I appreciate being compared to that guy.. but we do go again ⚽️
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Post by oldman159 on Oct 9, 2016 23:39:00 GMT
Saw some of the game on sky whilst waiting to go off on hollies.
From what I saw, their striker should have been off early, and should mot have been on to score #1. A sliding tackle with both feet in the air the ref should not allow the game to continue
Goal 3 - fair enough.
The ref was abysmal.
I cant help but think if football must be under scrutiny fo corruption, perhaps they should look into areas other than managers..... .. Just sayin!
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Post by bigcrompy on Oct 10, 2016 0:52:59 GMT
Letting Hylton leave was a ridiculously bad piece of judgment. He scored goals, unsettled defenders and by his attitude kept everyone's heads high in times of need. Maguire is clearly talented but I'm really not sure he is a team player at all. A year ago we had goals coming from everywhere on the pitch. Now we have very few really potent players. A year ago we had four or five players who could take on an opponent and create chances and space. Now we have almost no-one. Seriously fearful of a relegation battle. Once and for all....we didn't "...let him leave...". We offered a contract, Luton offered a contract, Danny Hylton chose Luton's. He was ostensibly a free agent, we had no option on him. We would all much rather that Danny Hylton was amongst our squad now to call upon if required, but honestly...where do you draw the line with our limited budget to ensure Hylton remained? Double his wages and the contract length? Triple it? Build him his own wee palace in Barton and a Bentley made entirely in platinum...? This is all wishful, we fans have no idea why Danny Hylton elected to move, who knows if he would have rejected any contract given to him anyway, and MApp was quite right not to enter into a bidding auction with him. MApp made a calculation as to what Danny Hylton was worth to us, and presumably another club made a different calculation as to what he was worth to them. To call that a 'bad piece of judgement' is both short-sighted, and very reductive indeed. Please support the team as it is now without this ridiculous need to undermine the club over an issue which none of us know the intimate details of anyway.
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Post by grenobleroad on Oct 10, 2016 5:52:16 GMT
Letting Hylton leave was a ridiculously bad piece of judgment. He scored goals, unsettled defenders and by his attitude kept everyone's heads high in times of need. Maguire is clearly talented but I'm really not sure he is a team player at all. A year ago we had goals coming from everywhere on the pitch. Now we have very few really potent players. A year ago we had four or five players who could take on an opponent and create chances and space. Now we have almost no-one. Seriously fearful of a relegation battle. Once and for all....we didn't "...let him leave...". We offered a contract, Luton offered a contract, Danny Hylton chose Luton's. He was ostensibly a free agent, we had no option on him. We would all much rather that Danny Hylton was amongst our squad now to call upon if required, but honestly...where do you draw the line with our limited budget to ensure Hylton remained? Double his wages and the contract length? Triple it? Build him his own wee palace in Barton and a Bentley made entirely in platinum...? This is all wishful, we fans have no idea why Danny Hylton elected to move, who knows if he would have rejected any contract given to him anyway, and MApp was quite right not to enter into a bidding auction with him. MApp made a calculation as to what Danny Hylton was worth to us, and presumably another club made a different calculation as to what he was worth to them. To call that a 'bad piece of judgement' is both short-sighted, and very reductive indeed. Please support the team as it is now without this ridiculous need to undermine the club over an issue which none of us know the intimate details of anyway. Perfectly summed up. In League Two he was worth a lot more of our budget then he would of been in League 1. I really find it staggering how people struggle to move on from ex players. I hate to think how often some of you visit your ex's Facebook page.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 10, 2016 6:41:40 GMT
We would be top of the league with him on 22 goals already FACT.
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Post by Long John Silver on Oct 10, 2016 7:19:17 GMT
Whether we could have offered Hylton more (Hemming's budget?), or a 2 year deal, to get him to stay we will never know, and regardless of silly comments I'd much rather he was in our team than either Thomas or Hemmings from what I've seen of them so far.
But he isn't, so we need to move on.
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Post by Young Money on Oct 10, 2016 8:19:21 GMT
Crap. Mid table for us. Robbie Hall won't be the magic bullet we're hoping for. Ribiero will make a difference though. It's amazing how you can know that Hall won't male a difference but Ribiero will. How, exactly, can you be so sure?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Oct 10, 2016 9:18:37 GMT
Let's not forget Hylton has never proved himself above L2 would he have made such a difference, as someone previously said he would have been booked we were mugged yesterday we were bullied and we never bullied back if they slide in hard you slide in harder ffs dish it out rather than be on the receiving end
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 9:51:22 GMT
Letting Hylton leave was a ridiculously bad piece of judgment. He scored goals, unsettled defenders and by his attitude kept everyone's heads high in times of need. Maguire is clearly talented but I'm really not sure he is a team player at all. A year ago we had goals coming from everywhere on the pitch. Now we have very few really potent players. A year ago we had four or five players who could take on an opponent and create chances and space. Now we have almost no-one. Seriously fearful of a relegation battle. Once and for all....we didn't "...let him leave...". We offered a contract, Luton offered a contract, Danny Hylton chose Luton's. He was ostensibly a free agent, we had no option on him. We would all much rather that Danny Hylton was amongst our squad now to call upon if required, but honestly...where do you draw the line with our limited budget to ensure Hylton remained? Double his wages and the contract length? Triple it? Build him his own wee palace in Barton and a Bentley made entirely in platinum...? This is all wishful, we fans have no idea why Danny Hylton elected to move, who knows if he would have rejected any contract given to him anyway, and MApp was quite right not to enter into a bidding auction with him. MApp made a calculation as to what Danny Hylton was worth to us, and presumably another club made a different calculation as to what he was worth to them. To call that a 'bad piece of judgement' is both short-sighted, and very reductive indeed. Please support the team as it is now without this ridiculous need to undermine the club over an issue which none of us know the intimate details of anyway. My point exactly....the offer made was a result of our judgment on his value. And that judgment was hopelessly wrong.If you want to stifle open debate, I suggest you join the communist party.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 10, 2016 10:08:08 GMT
Once and for all....we didn't "...let him leave...". We offered a contract, Luton offered a contract, Danny Hylton chose Luton's. He was ostensibly a free agent, we had no option on him. We would all much rather that Danny Hylton was amongst our squad now to call upon if required, but honestly...where do you draw the line with our limited budget to ensure Hylton remained? Double his wages and the contract length? Triple it? Build him his own wee palace in Barton and a Bentley made entirely in platinum...? This is all wishful, we fans have no idea why Danny Hylton elected to move, who knows if he would have rejected any contract given to him anyway, and MApp was quite right not to enter into a bidding auction with him. MApp made a calculation as to what Danny Hylton was worth to us, and presumably another club made a different calculation as to what he was worth to them. To call that a 'bad piece of judgement' is both short-sighted, and very reductive indeed. Please support the team as it is now without this ridiculous need to undermine the club over an issue which none of us know the intimate details of anyway. My point exactly....the offer made was a result of our judgment on his value. And that judgment was hopelessly wrong.If you want to stifle open debate, I suggest you join the communist party. We offered him a lot more money than he was on with us in l2! I'd suggest that was a pretty good indication of his value. And like Danny hylton said himself, the decision to leave was nothing to do with money, he wanted a new challenge, and competing for a place in a l1 team wasn't it
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Post by leysboy on Oct 10, 2016 10:08:20 GMT
I will keep it short, because there is nothing worse than embarrassing yourself in front of the nation.
For me yesterday reminded me of our home game last season against Barnet, we made too many individual errors, and paid the price for sloppy mistakes. The second goal although very well taken should never of stood, because in the modern game there player sliding in like that was reckless, and not in control which could of caused a very nasty injury.
The problem was though, the referee let so many poor tackles go, that he tried to be consistent. He was very poor today, and its not the first time either Mr Deadman has been shafting clubs with his Officiating.
At times it reminded me of our home fixture against Northampton last season, where a lot of decisions went against us. Will bounce back, and wont go down!!
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Post by bigcrompy on Oct 10, 2016 11:32:56 GMT
Once and for all....we didn't "...let him leave...". We offered a contract, Luton offered a contract, Danny Hylton chose Luton's. He was ostensibly a free agent, we had no option on him. We would all much rather that Danny Hylton was amongst our squad now to call upon if required, but honestly...where do you draw the line with our limited budget to ensure Hylton remained? Double his wages and the contract length? Triple it? Build him his own wee palace in Barton and a Bentley made entirely in platinum...? This is all wishful, we fans have no idea why Danny Hylton elected to move, who knows if he would have rejected any contract given to him anyway, and MApp was quite right not to enter into a bidding auction with him. MApp made a calculation as to what Danny Hylton was worth to us, and presumably another club made a different calculation as to what he was worth to them. To call that a 'bad piece of judgement' is both short-sighted, and very reductive indeed. Please support the team as it is now without this ridiculous need to undermine the club over an issue which none of us know the intimate details of anyway. My point exactly....the offer made was a result of our judgment on his value. And that judgment was hopelessly wrong.If you want to stifle open debate, I suggest you join the communist party. Again I ask you... ...how many bids should we have indefinitely matched as Danny and Luton upped the ante...? Respectfully, your head is in the sand on this one.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 10, 2016 12:21:18 GMT
Let's not forget Hylton has never proved himself above L2 would he have made such a difference, as someone previously said he would have been booked we were mugged yesterday we were bullied and we never bullied back if they slide in hard you slide in harder ffs dish it out rather than be on the receiving end If Oxford had put in challenges like that yesterday it would've ended in red cards, let's not pretend otherwise. He wouldn't have let us get away with the same stuff, because Wimbledon and their bench would've gone for it far more than we did. Their reactions would've ensured we'd taken a bath. This is something I haven't seen mentioned too much - we didn't play for the cards. If Dunkley rolls around like he's been shot, one or two players sprint over screaming and our bench jumps up, Elliot goes. As it stands Dunkley got up quite quickly and hobbled off and our bench tried to 'take the higher ground' and once these things happen the ref goes "It couldn't have been THAT bad, or he'd be down in a heap and everyone would be going mental." I don't care if that's poor form or considered 'cheating', that's football. Last season that guy would've gone because players like Mullins, Wright and Hylton would've been going absolutely apoplectic with rage and forced the ref into a decision. There would've been pushes and nudges to get the tempers flaring and surround the ref with hostility and that means he goes for his red card. If you have to go charging in, push Elliot to get a reaction and possibly even get a yellow yourself, you damn well do it because you know he's getting red. Even after the second goal Thomas just sat on the ground and let the crowd boo the ref before walking back and looking sad for himself. Too weak, collectively. We are too nice and need to try to gain every single advantage possible, and that means staying down when you're poleaxed and provoking reactions in the aftermath. Every successful team at any level has this side to their game, including Oxford United last season. It's something we need to get back rather than create from scratch, and you win nothing at this level for taking the higher ground.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Oct 10, 2016 12:52:03 GMT
Although I don't agree with the ideology behind Ryanio's statement I think he's absolutely spot-on. We are just too nice sometimes - and isn't that just a little naive??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 12:54:30 GMT
My point exactly....the offer made was a result of our judgment on his value. And that judgment was hopelessly wrong.If you want to stifle open debate, I suggest you join the communist party. Again I ask you... ...how many bids should we have indefinitely matched as Danny and Luton upped the ante...? Respectfully, your head is in the sand on this one. No my head is not in the sand...it is screwed on quite adequately and capable of determining that the loss of so many goal threats from our team last year meant that he was actually worth more than at other times. No doubt he used that to his advantage in the negotiation, but there are times when you have to pay the extra to achieve the result. I am stone certain he cost a lot less than some we either signed or contemplated signing. I am also stone certain that the line of "new challenge was the reason for departure" was BS. He had been player of the year here and I saw him enjoying the adulation that brought. Had we offered him a two year deal, he would still be here and we would be a more potent attacking threat as a result. End of.
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Post by m on Oct 10, 2016 12:56:58 GMT
Isn't it about time for one of our lurking referees to join the thread attempting to justify the (non) decisions?
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 10, 2016 13:11:53 GMT
Although I don't agree with the ideology behind Ryanio's statement I think he's absolutely spot-on. We are just too nice sometimes - and isn't that just a little naive?? None of us enjoy it being this way, but it's how football works. MacDonald would've gone in the league game v Swindon for his wild lunge on their keeper had he not jumped up and shoved a fist towards him. If he stays down and rolls around, MacDonald goes. As it stands, he jumps up and lashes out and the ref goes "Okay, it looked bad but look at him, he's on his feet swinging his fists about, so he can't even have connected properly let alone hurt him." This turns the situation into a yellow apiece and subsequently the keeper goes for two yellows while MacDonald stays on. The keeper gets it wrong and the advantage is lost. Probably the best piece of working the refs I've seen in years came against Exeter at home last season. Dunkley was on a yellow and was all over the place and rugby tackles their guy right before half time. It's 100% a second booking a red card, every day of the week. But what happens? Baldock and MacDonald go steaming in next to the ref and each start shoving Exeter players, who retaliate. A scuffle breaks out, players come charging in from all angles and the ref is distracted trying to watch everything. While this is going on Joe Skarz comes across and quickly pulls Dunkley out of there and moves him 20 yards away. When it all dies down Baldock and MacDonald take a booking each, as does an Exeter player and the ref has had so much to deal with and doesn't want the stadium to erupt right before the break that he gives Dunkley a final warning. Two minutes later the whistle goes for half time and Dunks is hooked, it stays at 11 v 11 and 0-0 and at full time it's a 3-0 win. If Dunkley goes, I doubt we win that game, and as we all remember it ends up giving us two points that are the difference between promotion and the playoffs. This is how football is in 2016, and you either make the best of the hand you're dealt and play every last card you've got to the best of its ability, or you console yourself by saying how classy and moral you are while it makes absolutely no difference to anything, stops nothing, changes nothing and only gives your opponents a better chance of staying in the game. With that in mind, it's definitely more naive than it is upstanding.
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Post by McVicar on Oct 10, 2016 13:18:48 GMT
Let's not forget Hylton has never proved himself above L2 would he have made such a difference, as someone previously said he would have been booked we were mugged yesterday we were bullied and we never bullied back if they slide in hard you slide in harder ffs dish it out rather than be on the receiving end If Oxford had put in challenges like that yesterday it would've ended in red cards, let's not pretend otherwise. He wouldn't have let us get away with the same stuff, because Wimbledon and their bench would've gone for it far more than we did. Their reactions would've ensured we'd taken a bath. This is something I haven't seen mentioned too much - we didn't play for the cards. If Dunkley rolls around like he's been shot, one or two players sprint over screaming and our bench jumps up, Elliot goes. As it stands Dunkley got up quite quickly and hobbled off and our bench tried to 'take the higher ground' and once these things happen the ref goes "It couldn't have been THAT bad, or he'd be down in a heap and everyone would be going mental." I don't care if that's poor form or considered 'cheating', that's football. Last season that guy would've gone because players like Mullins, Wright and Hylton would've been going absolutely apoplectic with rage and forced the ref into a decision. There would've been pushes and nudges to get the tempers flaring and surround the ref with hostility and that means he goes for his red card. If you have to go charging in, push Elliot to get a reaction and possibly even get a yellow yourself, you damn well do it because you know he's getting red. Even after the second goal Thomas just sat on the ground and let the crowd boo the ref before walking back and looking sad for himself. Too weak, collectively. We are too nice and need to try to gain every single advantage possible, and that means staying down when you're poleaxed and provoking reactions in the aftermath. Every successful team at any level has this side to their game, including Oxford United last season. It's something we need to get back rather than create from scratch, and you win nothing at this level for taking the higher ground. Absolutely spot on. I thought exactly the same about the Dunkley challenge.
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Post by thesecretposter on Oct 10, 2016 17:04:26 GMT
Although I don't agree with the ideology behind Ryanio's statement I think he's absolutely spot-on. We are just too nice sometimes - and isn't that just a little naive?? It is when you expect to win games of football based on that performance yesterday. I could understand if we were massively outplaying them but the honest truth is we weren't. Times like that you have to act on the situation and I mean act in the most literal sense. They were out to break our players and we should have acted accordingly. Unfortunately the game has an element of acting in these days. Last season we would have won an Oscar this season we would do well to win a British Soap Award!
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Post by charliesghost on Oct 10, 2016 17:17:39 GMT
Let's not forget Hylton has never proved himself above L2 would he have made such a difference, as someone previously said he would have been booked we were mugged yesterday we were bullied and we never bullied back if they slide in hard you slide in harder ffs dish it out rather than be on the receiving end That's not fair on Hylts, Bazzer. We were getting precisely the same treatment from AFCW at their place last season, and - typically - it was Hylts who showed the oppo that we were up for a fight if that's what they wanted. He was outstanding that day, as some of our other players struggled to come to terms with their physicality. Nor do I buy the argument that because we offered Hylton 'a deal' that that meant that we didn't let him go. We clearly had the wherewithal to keep him and decided that Thomas, Hemmings etc would be better bets (it's not as if they were offered 1 year contracts, is it?) But that doesn't mean that it makes sense to keep on talking about him every time we struggle. Most people have expressed a view on whether it was right to let him go (most stated as fact that we had replaced with better!) and that, really, is that. Maybe as a footnote at the end of the season, it may be worth attempting to answer the question either way, but as part of a running commentary? No thanks. What is true is that we seem to struggle against teams who want to make a fight out of it. Bristol Rovers, Sheff Utd, Wimbledon, Southend.... these have not been our more stellar performances. Whereas Charlton, MK Dons, Bolton etc we looked the part of a decent side. Happily, as I have noted elsewhere, more teams in this division seem to want to play, not fight. So that should see us do Ok. But, like other posters I do fear a bit for us if we play 2 in central midfield. Pending Ledson finally getting on the pitch, we just don't seem to have the central midfielder who has the dig, the engine and the cynicism to really hold firm in a battle with only one other in there. Countless times yesterday we needed someone to get their foot in, take a foul, block someone off, win a 45/55... and almost not a single time did our midfield manage it. So that means we have to play 3 in there, which in turn makes it hard to play 2 upfront, which in turn is difficult because we don't have an all-action striker who can hold the ball, offer a goal threat and deal with 2 centre-backs hassling him all day. So I guess that leaves us with 4231, and depute one of the '3' to get close to the '1' as much as possible. Maybe: Eastwood RB, Nelson, Raglan/Dunkley, Skarz Rothwell/ Lundstram, Ledson Hall, Maguire/ Sercombe, Johnson Striker
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Post by billyox on Oct 10, 2016 18:10:45 GMT
I think MAPP problem is maguire he knows he needs him in the team but doesn't no where to fit him in the formation mags isn't a winger and his talent is wasted out wide
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Post by oufcbenjyp on Oct 10, 2016 19:20:03 GMT
Without wanting to get deep into the psychology of it all it really depends on what type of football club we are trying to be. I take both my kids (10 and 8 years old) to the home games and my boy asked me on Sunday whether he could 'shout at the referee too'.. This really made me stop and think. I can handle the abuse and swearing given out by fans on occasion but what does an impressionable 10 year old take from this and the dog's abuse which the referee received on Sunday?
The Dunkley challenge is another case in point - it was absolutely a bad tackle, no question (we were sat right in front of it). Some are suggesting he should have rolled around and not been so 'nice'. Actually I had a lot more respect for Dunkley not making a big deal of it instead of what many others would have done which is try to get the opposing player sent off. I would far rather my kids see a bloke who gets up from a bad challenge and shakes the other guy's hand rather than rolling around like he's been shot. Isn't this the kind of behaviour we moan about from opposing teams week after week...this is exactly why I don't watch Champions League or Premier League footie any more - I would rather go to the cinema to see someone act.
So it boils down to the age old point of whether we want to win at all costs or is supporting OUFC about more than just winning football matches?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 10, 2016 21:37:29 GMT
We missed Jake Wright and Andy Whing yesterday. Both would have made a big fuss over Elliott challenge and pressured the Ref. I've been saying for over a year that we are too nice and play by the rules too much. Maguire aside, our players play on and won't go to the ground or make a fuss. For example, Macca should have fallen over yesterday when he was getting rugby rackles just to get the officials attention, but he just carried on in a desire to win the ball.
I don't like players rolling around after challenges, but as yesterday proved, you don't get given breaks for being nice in football, especially when the Refs are so bloomin inconsistent. So what is the point in being one of the few teams that has principles? Now, I say dive, nudge off the ball, tug shirts and watch other teams moan about us for a change.
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