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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 9, 2016 15:17:24 GMT
Some of the comments after that are very over the top but I'd expect that in the heat of the moment.
Overall it was just a bad day at the office with every player being poor for the standards. Even Eastwood could of done a lot better with their first.
Just have to have a good week training and make sure it is a one off.
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Post by thehorse on Oct 9, 2016 15:22:41 GMT
Poor, as everyone will be aware including the players.
The two main talking points with regards to the ref were obviously the penalty with and the "foul" before their second goal.
Having seen both replays I think it was a penalty so he got that one wrong but also that the tackle for the second goal was fair, it was a very strong tackle, but was by no means a foul as far as I'm concerned. It looked to me like a player who really wanted to win then ball against a player who really wanted the ref to get him out of having to defend.
Even forgetting these two incidents, did we deserve to win the game based on what we did?! Not for me.
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Post by The Fence End on Oct 9, 2016 15:26:33 GMT
That went well.
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Post by eighteen93 on Oct 9, 2016 15:26:37 GMT
I too was disappointed when I heard what the team was and that we would employ a 4-4-2 shape which was not working at the start of the season.
No pace, no width and too open because there is far too much room in midfield.
Those two forwards were rag dolled all game and never won anything - so the ball keeps coming back.
Can't believe Rothwell was left out and Thomas and MacDonald brought back into the fold.
Bad, bad day at the office but much of it was self inflicted. Wimbledon fully deserved their win today and showed far more desire than the U's.
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Post by Toeby on Oct 9, 2016 15:29:45 GMT
It's the lack of pace and width that kills us. Don't get me wrong, the ref was dogshit today and Wimbledon had a plan, but we made our own problems.
Last season we had Baldock, O'Dowda, Hylton, Roofe and others who could all make space with their movement and by beating a man. This gave Lundstram the opportunity to ping the ball round and made the holes for Sercombe to run into.
We didn't have anyone who could make that space today, except Maguire but he can't do it on his own. Why Johnson didn't start or at least come on earlier is beyond me. We really need him to get wide and start stretching teams. Also I hope Ribeiro is fit soon.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 9, 2016 15:34:59 GMT
That was terrible.
I still stick with my view of Wes Thomas when we signed him. Pretty much a journeyman striker, won't work hard, won't score enough goals. Hemmings (disappointing) and Thomas don't work together well at all. If we are going to play two up front, from the current squad I am afraid one of them has to be Taylor.
The formation didn't work - and wasn't working from the start. Why Appleton didn't change either the personnel or the tactics after 15 minutes baffles me. We were so obviously being out-passed, out-muscled and (let's face it) out-played.
Playing Maguire out wide is a waste of both his talents and a wide player's slot.
Why on earth did we pay that amount for Marvin Johnson? It's going to work out at about £50,000 per time he actually beats his man. All season.
Passing was sideways and backwards, followed by a hoof that neither Thomas nor Hemmings ever got anywhere near all game.
Sercombe was poor, Lundstram (supposedly MoM - ha, ha, ha) was equally ineffective.
Lets just hope it was the 'Curse of the cameras for league games' that we seem to suffer from and that they are reminded what it is they are supposed to be doing by next Saturday. Poor decisions by Appleton today (selection/substitutions/tactics) as well.
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Post by finlandia on Oct 9, 2016 15:35:57 GMT
Dunkey was cack
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Post by bigfella72 on Oct 9, 2016 15:45:56 GMT
People saying why didn't Johnson start! Because he's been shit that's why! Not sure it would have made a difference but he can't expect to start games after his performance against Bolton
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 9, 2016 15:50:47 GMT
It takes a lot to get the reaction from the SSU that met the ref walking off at half time. I've not seen (or participated in) such a unified condemnation of his performance and that of his colleagues. Folks were straining their voices to tell them what we thought. Absolute disgrace to the profession.
Add to that a very poor performance by the team and there you have it. Mappy has got a lot of work to do to get this team playing as team and delivering individual performances.
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Post by bigronaldo on Oct 9, 2016 16:06:58 GMT
I think we are failing once again to play to our strikers strengths. Neither of them are able to compete with high balls pumped up to them and yet they still keep on coming. If it isn't the otherwise excellent eastwood launching it, then its the midfield. It seems that if pressure is exerted then it is the 'get out' ball and 9 times out of 10, the ball is cheaply lost directly from our own posession. From a goal kick it is even worse. Straight up to the central defender who nearly always wins it. This is meat and drink to them. Just like putting balls up to macdonald being marked by chey. If we are doing this then Taylor is the only striker who can compete. Somehow, we have to decide what way is best for us. Once again, the slipped balls between the defence are not being played through and we end up bunched up on the edge of their box playing tippy tappy until we lose it with a slack pass. Today, we failed to create enough to haul ourselves back in it and despite the ref being a total knobend, overall we got what our play deserved.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 9, 2016 16:12:21 GMT
I think the long balls stem not so much from pressure but the lack of an outlet, Edwards is as shy getting forward as skarz is, before the keeper could bowl it out to Kenny or baldock and they would then carry it forward supplying or overlapping with the winger, or giving it lunny to build with. Now with neither really wanting it from Eastwood he either just lumps it up , or gives to to dunks who does pretty much the same. The only time we got the ball down was when Maguire goes deep to collect it and do it himself. Missed rothwell as he's another that will take the ball with him and try and get us moving on the deck
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Post by cedricterrier on Oct 9, 2016 16:25:52 GMT
Sorry but 442 just does not work for us . No width , no pace , we look weak up front . Maguire was frustrated today . Yes we have a point about the ref but they did a job on us and it worked , we can moan all day but the result stands . Personally I think Edwards and skarz are to stayed . They offer no overlapping . I'd drop Edwards and play long . More energy and more desire . Raglan was again the better of the two . Crowley was pants and left us with 10 men on the pitch . We are not in a settled place square pegs round holes . Now App is a good manager . But he needs to earn his money .
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Oct 9, 2016 16:30:33 GMT
Watching the Football on 5 Goalrush, it seems an awful lot of goals in this division come from accurate crosses to the big man who can either head them in or at least knock it down to someone else to score or fast footwork and players who will move quickly off ball. Oh, and a few from players who can hit the target from the edge of the box. We seem to have few options in any of these areas. Even when Wimbledon were three up, they were still prepared to commit more players to attack than us. They seemed to outnumber us all over the pitch.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2016 16:41:43 GMT
Liam Sercombe has been poor for a few weeks. He's lost form as Lundstram has gained his unfortunately and I think on form, Rothwell is a better player at the moment. The players stopped after that challenge before half time and didn't play to the whistle. A little mistake that cost us. We also need to be more physical when games go that way. Yet again, we go a little meek and won't get involved. Today needed more gusto in and around the ball.
That said, today really highlighted the vast chasm in how games are refereed on a game by game basis. Lundstram was sent off last season for similar challenges, the Swindon player received a 2nd yellow for one, today, not a foul. As a fan, I don't understand how some players are punished and others aren't. It just makes no sense to me. Both linos were poor in general as well.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Oct 9, 2016 16:46:54 GMT
I think we are failing once again to play to our strikers strengths. Neither of them are able to compete with high balls pumped up to them and yet they still keep on coming. If it isn't the otherwise excellent eastwood launching it, then its the midfield. It seems that if pressure is exerted then it is the 'get out' ball and 9 times out of 10, the ball is cheaply lost directly from our own posession. From a goal kick it is even worse. Straight up to the central defender who nearly always wins it. This is meat and drink to them. Just like putting balls up to macdonald being marked by chey. If we are doing this then Taylor is the only striker who can compete. Somehow, we have to decide what way is best for us. Once again, the slipped balls between the defence are not being played through and we end up bunched up on the edge of their box playing tippy tappy until we lose it with a slack pass. Today, we failed to create enough to haul ourselves back in it and despite the ref being a total knobend, overall we got what our play deserved. Absolutely correct, Thomas and Hemmings want to be the men chasing the ball from a header and this is where Taylor is crucial if we play 2 up top and we stick to this long ball business. Hemmings or Thomas playing just off Taylor would work well for them. if we ain't going to do this then go back to the 4231 because Hemmings and Thomas are trying to do the same thing. i remember at one point they were both closing down and not one of them was in the box ready for a cross.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Oct 9, 2016 16:48:35 GMT
Liam Sercombe has been poor for a few weeks. He's lost form as Lundstram has gained his unfortunately and I think on form, Rothwell is a better player at the moment. The players stopped after that challenge before half time and didn't play to the whistle. A little mistake that cost us. We also need to be more physical when games go that way. Yet again, we go a little meek and won't get involved. Today needed more gusto in and around the ball. That said, today really highlighted the vast chasm in how games are refereed on a game by game basis. Lundstram was sent off last season for similar challenges, the Swindon player received a 2nd yellow for one, today, not a foul. As a fan, I don't understand how some players are punished and others aren't. It just makes no sense to me. Both linos were poor in general as well. Exactly, Eastwood came rushing out too wave his arms at the ref, if he stayed on his line that was an easy save for a keeper as good as him.
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Post by grumpygit on Oct 9, 2016 17:16:45 GMT
What are strikers supposed to do? Cuz we had two who also don't kmknow either.
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Post by lerekdilley on Oct 9, 2016 17:34:28 GMT
Just seen the highlights.
Should of been a straight red for Tom Elliott
Stonewall penalty on Maguire
Parrett goes in with excessive force IMO for the second goal. He wins the ball but so did Lundstram last season and he got a straight red. Many refs would have red carded him for that challenge.
Saying that we were absolutely dire and Wimbledon deserved to win, however if Elliott gets a red or Maguire is awarded the penalty it changes things. Once it was 0-3 there was no way we were getting back into the game. We rarely score more than 2 in a game,let alone a half.
Why were we trying to use Kane Hemmings as a target man? Why were basic simple passes so inaccurate? They certainly don't like it "up em" and hit long panic balls because we couldn't match their strength and energy. We should be beating sides like AFC Wimbledon who's team is made of what seems mainly League Two journeymen like Bulman, Meades, Elliott, Parrett, Barcham, Charles and Tyrone "wears kids shorts" Barnett!!
As for the ref he goes into the top 3 of worst ever officials at the Kassam, along with Joe Ross & Keith Hill. A quick Twitter search of his name confirms how little he is thought of as s referee. The linesman was awful too, one particular highlight of his being when the ball was out of play and rolling down the line and he still thought the ball was in, this was just after we were denied a foul for pushing/pulling/obstruction which went unpunished the whole game.
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 9, 2016 17:39:08 GMT
Think we're being too knee jerk, they [with assistance from the effin ref] out fought us and won every ball. For some reason we were not 'up for it' - hence we capitulated in alarming style. The better team won, hard as it might be to accept, we move on and should get a positive reaction to this next game up.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 9, 2016 18:00:28 GMT
Don't think it knee jerk, more shock, mapp started the season like this with 442 and it had the same effect, he's tweaked it brought in an extra midfielder and we've been a lot lot better. Today goes back to 442 and we get out played again. Saying that the guy gets sent off just before their second goes in, and we go to half time 1-0 , who knows
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Post by billyox on Oct 9, 2016 18:05:37 GMT
I think it's time for maguire to be played up front along side either Taylor Thomas or Hemmings his talent is wasted out wide.
Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 9, 2016 18:09:54 GMT
I think it's time for maguire to be played up front along side either Taylor Thomas or Hemmings his talent is wasted out wide. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Centrally just behind the striker yes,along side in a 442 no. We just don't have the players for that at the min.
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Post by davox on Oct 9, 2016 18:37:52 GMT
I was really optimistic today until I realised we were playing 4-4-2! As some previous posters have said why change a successful 4-2-3-1 system. We got cut to ribbons in the 1st half and we're like rabbits caught in the headlights in the final third. Every time Macdonald got the ball you were waiting for him to mess up the final ball or just run into trouble. We needed Sercs playing just behind the frontman and Johnson starting. They set up narrow and we needed Johnson flying down the wing. I think Rothwell didn't deserve to be dropped either who works hard and, defends well and offers good attacking play. Eastwood had far too much to do and kept the score respectable because we had no protection in front of the defence. Looking forward to a much improved showing against Bradford. Anyone is beatable in this league but we've got to get the game plan correct.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 9, 2016 19:03:06 GMT
I can understand why Appleton started with that team; they had played so well in that last half hour at Bolton.
But there were some appalling individual performances today.
Sercombe probably had his worst game ever while the front two were really static.Laurel and Hardyesque in fact.
Wimbledon were mighty effective; dirty but well coached. On another day we could have caned them though.
As for the ref, he was plain inept.He kept up with play well but his decision making! Really really bad.
Ps thought Eastwood was dodgy today, that first goal was a calamity.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Oct 9, 2016 19:16:55 GMT
I can understand why Appleton started with that team; they had played so well in that last half hour at Bolton. But there were some appalling individual performances today. Sercombe probably had his worst game ever while the front two were really static.Laurel and Hardyesque in fact. Wimbledon were mighty effective; dirty but well coached. On another day we could have caned them though. As for the ref, he was plain inept.He kept up with play well but his decision making! Really really bad. Ps thought Eastwood was dodgy today, that first goal was a calamity. Also 2nd goal, should've stayed on his line to make the save not charge out to complain at the ref he could've done that after the save was made.
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Post by Toeby on Oct 9, 2016 19:27:33 GMT
Hmm. We signed players like Twigg and Lilley (sorry, I meant Hemmings and Johnson) who were rubbish today and they signed players like Bulman and Meades, who were excellent today. Now why can't we sign players like that?? Ohh.... Meades was rubbish! He must have passed it to as many Oxford players as Sercombe did today and Macca managed to stumble past him a couple of times. If we'd have had a fit Jordan Graham today then he would've been taken to the cleaners. Wimbledon had more of a game plan but they were not world beaters and they didn't need to be.
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Post by dannyboy on Oct 9, 2016 19:30:36 GMT
Think we're being too knee jerk, they [with assistance from the effin ref] out fought us and won every ball. For some reason we were not 'up for it' - hence we capitulated in alarming style. The better team won, hard as it might be to accept, we move on and should get a positive reaction to this next game up. I'm not so sure that these are knee jerk reactions. I think people are worried about how bad we were today compared to the last few games, and how poor appletons selections and gameplan were. Today Hemmings spent half the game as a jack in the box, trying to jump for balls he was never going to get to. Teams like Wimbledon, should be the bread and butter for points at home, they were made to look good, by hoe poor we were.
There are recurring themes from weeks gone by that Appleton doesn't seem to be addressing. Our passing is still too wayward, and goes to the opposition all too often. Equally we were getting the ball to the edge of the area, then seemed devoid of ideas, resorting to the old style tippy tappy football. We lacked someone like Hylton, who would simply be there where the ball is, a poacher, someone prepared to run at defences rather than trying to walk the ball into the net. His goal for Luton yesterday is a casing point. I'm not saying we should have kept him, but we have failed to replace him with a quality goal scoring striker. Thomas and Hemmings again looked poor. Crowley, who is meant to be a forward thinking player, again beggars belief.
Maybe give Tyler Roberts a run out. Something needs changing, because unless appletton gets them to buck their ideas up, next weeks game could be a worrying prospect.
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Post by eugeneox on Oct 9, 2016 20:05:44 GMT
Hmm. We signed players like Twigg and Lilley (sorry, I meant Hemmings and Johnson) who were rubbish today and they signed players like Bulman and Meades, who were excellent today. Now why can't we sign players like that?? Ohh.... I was wondering when the "should-never-have-let-Bulman-go" argument would start up! Not that I'm disagreeing with your post mind, since he clearly had a better game than any of our midfielders today.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Oct 9, 2016 20:10:35 GMT
Think we're being too knee jerk, they [with assistance from the effin ref] out fought us and won every ball. For some reason we were not 'up for it' - hence we capitulated in alarming style. The better team won, hard as it might be to accept, we move on and should get a positive reaction to this next game up. I'm not so sure that these are knee jerk reactions. I think people are worried about how bad we were today compared to the last few games, and how poor appletons selections and gameplan were. Today Hemmings spent half the game as a jack in the box, trying to jump for balls he was never going to get to. Teams like Wimbledon, should be the bread and butter for points at home, they were made to look good, by hoe poor we were.
There are recurring themes from weeks gone by that Appleton doesn't seem to be addressing. Our passing is still too wayward, and goes to the opposition all too often. Equally we were getting the ball to the edge of the area, then seemed devoid of ideas, resorting to the old style tippy tappy football. We lacked someone like Hylton, who would simply be there where the ball is, a poacher, someone prepared to run at defences rather than trying to walk the ball into the net. His goal for Luton yesterday is a casing point. I'm not saying we should have kept him, but we have failed to replace him with a quality goal scoring striker. Thomas and Hemmings again looked poor. Crowley, who is meant to be a forward thinking player, again beggars belief.
Maybe give Tyler Roberts a run out. Something needs changing, because unless appletton gets them to buck their ideas up, next weeks game could be a worrying prospect.
Absolutely agree. Hylton would have been perfect for a match like this.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 9, 2016 20:21:34 GMT
If Hylton isn't good enough for L1 (and I am willing to concede that the coaching staff at the club might know better than I do!) then we have obviously failed to replace him with a L1 equivalent. And a striker who is prepared to hassle defenders and help us defend from the front as well as actually running effectively at the opposition is something that was sadly missed today (and in some other games this season).
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