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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 22, 2017 8:53:34 GMT
Europe are worried that if we the UK leave others may follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
I hope they do...it's a rotten project run by dictators
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Post by flean on Jul 23, 2017 6:25:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 9:02:49 GMT
Hardly wishing ill on others. I feel sorry for Greece and Italy who have had to endure hardship for years as a result of the EU policies. Juncker comes
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Post by flean on Jul 23, 2017 10:04:37 GMT
Hardly wishing ill on others. I feel sorry for Greece and Italy who have had to endure hardship for years as a result of the EU policies. Juncker comes Yes, you are. You are wishing Ill on a project that has enabled millions of us to live the lives we've chosen. You want to isolate yourself from the mainland then fair enough, feel sorry for the millions of Brits who don't, but that's democracy. Just don't wish ill on the rest of us.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 23, 2017 11:22:26 GMT
Hardly wishing ill on others. I feel sorry for Greece and Italy who have had to endure hardship for years as a result of the EU policies. Juncker comes Yes, you are. You are wishing Ill on a project that has enabled millions of us to live the lives we've chosen. You want to isolate yourself from the mainland then fair enough, feel sorry for the millions of Brits who don't, but that's democracy. Just don't wish ill on the rest of us. How many times have you gloated over potential job losses in the U.K? The fall in the pound? You have wished ill on millions of British people who voted in a legitimate vote, so you can hardly complain.
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Post by flean on Jul 23, 2017 11:39:22 GMT
Yes, you are. You are wishing Ill on a project that has enabled millions of us to live the lives we've chosen. You want to isolate yourself from the mainland then fair enough, feel sorry for the millions of Brits who don't, but that's democracy. Just don't wish ill on the rest of us. How many times have you gloated over potential job losses in the U.K? The fall in the pound? You have wished ill on millions of British people who voted in a legitimate vote, so you can hardly complain. I think you're getting gloating mixed up with pointing out facts. The Facts are clear to see. The pound has lost a lot of value, there will be job losses in the short term. Who knows what it'll be like in 10 years. Things like the European health card and free movement will be over (if the govt decides on leaving the single market.) that is not gloating. Now, wishing a whole project to fail (Basham has stated that on numerous occasions and Peter has hinted at it) is not stating facts, it's wishing Ill.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 23, 2017 12:38:08 GMT
How many times have you gloated over potential job losses in the U.K? The fall in the pound? You have wished ill on millions of British people who voted in a legitimate vote, so you can hardly complain. I think you're getting gloating mixed up with pointing out facts. The Facts are clear to see. The pound has lost a lot of value, there will be job losses in the short term. Who knows what it'll be like in 10 years. Things like the European health card and free movement will be over (if the govt decides on leaving the single market.) that is not gloating. Now, wishing a whole project to fail (Basham has stated that on numerous occasions and Peter has hinted at it) is not stating facts, it's wishing Ill. If you state facts while nearly pissing yourself with excitement I think it's gloating.
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Post by flean on Jul 23, 2017 12:40:25 GMT
I think you're getting gloating mixed up with pointing out facts. The Facts are clear to see. The pound has lost a lot of value, there will be job losses in the short term. Who knows what it'll be like in 10 years. Things like the European health card and free movement will be over (if the govt decides on leaving the single market.) that is not gloating. Now, wishing a whole project to fail (Basham has stated that on numerous occasions and Peter has hinted at it) is not stating facts, it's wishing Ill. If you state facts while nearly pissing yourself with excitement I think it's gloating. Here we go again..
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 23, 2017 21:09:39 GMT
How many times have you gloated over potential job losses in the U.K? The fall in the pound? You have wished ill on millions of British people who voted in a legitimate vote, so you can hardly complain. I think you're getting gloating mixed up with pointing out facts. The Facts are clear to see. The pound has lost a lot of value, there will be job losses in the short term. Who knows what it'll be like in 10 years. Things like the European health card and free movement will be over (if the govt decides on leaving the single market.) that is not gloating. Now, wishing a whole project to fail (Basham has stated that on numerous occasions and Peter has hinted at it) is not stating facts, it's wishing Ill. Just FYI - I believe the failure and collapse of the EU would be to the benefit of the majority of European citizens. Not wishing anybody ill.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Jul 24, 2017 5:15:34 GMT
I feel sorry for Greece and Italy who have had to endure hardship for years as a result of the EU policies. They've had to ensure hardship for years before the EU too. Millions of Italians and Greeks emmigrated to the New World for a better life due to the lack of opportunity. I think it may run a bit deeper? According to an Italian colleague who had to move to Milan from the south for work, stifiling (Italian) beauracy and rampant corruption under the shadow of organized crime are the biggest factors. The Northern regions are at least economically strong on a par with other Northern EU states.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Jul 24, 2017 5:24:47 GMT
Europe are worried that if we the UK leave others may follow. I think it's more concerned with slightly bigger issues to be honest Baz (climate change, unstability with Russia, migrant crisis in the Med etc).
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jul 25, 2017 12:49:09 GMT
Great news, BMW will build the new electric mini in Cowley. This should put all the threats about pulling out of the UK to bed now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:27:39 GMT
No fears about brexit
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 25, 2017 15:52:24 GMT
God dam it - this was supposed to signal the great migration of the motor industry and bank. What will people have to stir up mass panic about now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 16:12:44 GMT
The economy looks strong too. I bet the likes of war criminal Blair and pig in the trough Osborne are none too happy about that
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 25, 2017 18:09:10 GMT
Tumbleweed from the remoaners as this devastating news sinks in...
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Post by ag on Jul 25, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
Great news, BMW will build the new electric mini in Cowley. This should put all the threats about pulling out of the UK to bed now. Slightly odd wording in the BMW statement. ""electric drivetrain Made in Germany, integrated into car in Plant Oxford" Great news if employment continues-or even increases. But 1) you don't know what the deals are -or for how long.that phrasing sounds pretty halfhearted to me. Suggests the importance of the plant is being downgraded & if being made clear that it may be only short term. 2) the statistics I posted earlier show investment on the U.K. Car industry has plummeted since the Brexit vote. I'm sure the assembled economic geniuses will explain How that's good news Yup . It's part of a four year cycle to 2023. The existing Mini will now be offered with an electric option. The petrol engine was made in the U.K. -the electric engine will be imported. So a loss overall. And a small investment- 10 million maybe. Don't celebrate too long chaps. Press release is here www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0273122EN/bmw-group-announces-next-step-in-electrification-strategy
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jul 25, 2017 20:06:30 GMT
The news reporter was being very negative about this. Saying that there will be no new investment.
But to me, the fact they are pretty much securing current workers is a massive deal
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 25, 2017 20:15:46 GMT
Interesting interview with ex Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varonfakis, re EU, IMF, and European Banks.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Jul 26, 2017 3:51:16 GMT
Welcome news but I can't help thinking that the bar has been lowered somewhat when we celebrate jobs not being lost?
I would imagine the accountants have figured that any costs arising from tariffs on importing the electric drivetrains to UK will be offset by the fall in Sterling meaning that labour costs have dropped.
We will never know if a remain outcome would have resulted in significant investment (and job creation) in the plant but let's take what we can.
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Post by essexyellows on Jul 26, 2017 7:18:06 GMT
Lots of "things" are assembled here from imported parts. Those parts are made where the raw materials & labour are cheaper but brought here for final assembly where the skill matters on the finished product. The days of Pressed Steel one side passing made stuff over the road to be assembled are long gone & nothing to do with leaving the EU.
Whatever happens in the future both sides will put their "spin" on it.
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Post by flean on Jul 26, 2017 14:11:59 GMT
The news reporter was being very negative about this. Saying that there will be no new investment. But to me, the fact they are pretty much securing current workers is a massive deal Great news for the workers and their families. As pointed out elsewhere though, it's a sign that the status quo is seen as a massive success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 16:41:51 GMT
I'm just wondering how much longer Theresa May can plod on for. I expect until we are officially out of the union there won't be any leadership battle. I could not understand why when she had a majority in the house she went to the country. Should've gone for a short campaign so Corbyn didn't have time to bribe the students to swallow the promise of reducing tuition fees. With the boundary changes due in 2018 favouring the Conservatives she could have waited another year. Perhaps she is expecting better news on the economy...but I don't trust her judgement after her failure in June.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Sept 19, 2017 17:50:36 GMT
Pivotal week ahead it seems as May is scheduled to deliver a key note speech on Brexit in Florence this Friday.
Bojo the clown obviously didn't like the sound of the draft speech and fires out a 4000 word piece highlighting the benefits of a hard-Brexit (the magical £350m per week is back!) in the Torygraph.
So, reading between the lines, May to propose a "Swiss style" soft-Brexit then?
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Post by ag on Sept 19, 2017 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Sept 19, 2017 18:54:02 GMT
In the event of a Hard-Brexit we could do a deal with India and hope to build Tata Motors in UK?!
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 19, 2017 19:28:04 GMT
Irrespective of the "chatter" there are two options. A negotiated agreement that suits both sides or the negotiations with the EU run out of time. In the background most companies will be planning strategies for both with a desire for whichever is their best option. Of course BMW/Toyota etc want it to be "easy" from their view but you could go just down the road to JCB/Jaguar where they think differently. We have skilled craftsman & the technology to make our own deals what we need is the self belief to do it and if that means a hard exit so be it, what would be the worst case scenario? Money flowing into the Treasury rather than the EU? I`ll take that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 22:17:51 GMT
I would take the hard Brexit option. I hope other countries see the light and seek out if the EU permits it. I don't like the UK paying out to the EU continually when we should decide where it goes. As for us having no say in running EU, we don't, never have and never will .nearly always voted 28-1 against us
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Post by ag on Sept 19, 2017 22:33:19 GMT
I would take the hard Brexit option. I hope other countries see the light and seek out if the EU permits it. I don't like the UK paying out to the EU continually when we should decide where it goes. As for us having no say in running EU, we don't, never have and never will .nearly always voted 28-1 against us Peter you don't want to listen to Boris Johnson or the Daily Express-they just don't tell the truth. For example where did you get that 28-1stat? • e UK government was on the losing side a much higher proportion of times in 2009-15 compared with 2004-09 (2.6% in the former period and 12.3% in the latter). The council overwhelmingly decides by consensus, which means the UK is on the winning majority side almost 87% of the time. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/nov/02/is-uk-winner-or-loser-european-councilSo
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