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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 8, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
Two important innings from Broad and Stokes. Just crept the game over to England's favour. One more wicket would be good in these conditions, 2 would be excellent
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 8, 2017 17:22:05 GMT
And of course, well done to Anderson on 500 wickets
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Post by londonroader on Sept 8, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
Well done Jimmy. A massive achievement and could go on to be the highest wicket taking fast bowler of all time. He's having a right moody with the umpire...
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 8, 2017 19:30:51 GMT
Windies still have Hope.
Mon da windies!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 8, 2017 20:49:42 GMT
Well done Jimmy. A massive achievement and could go on to be the highest wicket taking fast bowler of all time. He's having a right moody with the umpire... It was quite embarrassing to watch to watch. Root should have told him to sulk on the boundary after the first warning, far away from the umpire
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Post by makv on Sept 9, 2017 1:28:18 GMT
Two important innings from Broad and Stokes. Just crept the game over to England's favour. One more wicket would be good in these conditions, 2 would be excellent Stokes' innings several notches above anyone else's.
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Post by londonroader on Sept 9, 2017 6:54:21 GMT
He's having a right moody with the umpire... It was quite embarrassing to watch to watch. Root should have told him to sulk on the boundary after the first warning, far away from the umpire I agree and Stokes has been chuntering away all match as well, as fine a player that Root is just maybe he's not got the seniority on the pitch to boss these players around yet, it's a learning curve for Root and players seem to be losing their own control, it could influence the outcome of this match if Jimmy gets taken off bowling as the windies are still in this at the moment.
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Post by MJB on Sept 9, 2017 7:59:26 GMT
It was quite embarrassing to watch to watch. Root should have told him to sulk on the boundary after the first warning, far away from the umpire I agree and Stokes has been chuntering away all match as well, as fine a player that Root is just maybe he's not got the seniority on the pitch to boss these players around yet, it's a learning curve for Root and players seem to be losing their own control, it could influence the outcome of this match if Jimmy gets taken off bowling as the windies are still in this at the moment. I would have them as slight favourites rather than just being in it personally given that England have to bat last.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 9, 2017 11:05:40 GMT
It was quite embarrassing to watch to watch. Root should have told him to sulk on the boundary after the first warning, far away from the umpire I agree and Stokes has been chuntering away all match as well, as fine a player that Root is just maybe he's not got the seniority on the pitch to boss these players around yet, it's a learning curve for Root and players seem to be losing their own control, it could influence the outcome of this match if Jimmy gets taken off bowling as the windies are still in this at the moment. Anderson is old enough to know better but doesn't seemingly get called out by the team over it as it's a recurring issue. I thought Erasmus played it perfectly and Root has to exert control over Broad and Anderson in that regard. Their egos will recover if he calls them out. Stokes is a tricky one, the Windies have been chirping at him all series without punishment, so I can understand him giving it back. Especially if he gets a demerit point and has to sit out a couple of one day matches instead of Ashes tests. Good start today, but more dropped catches. Again
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Post by makv on Sept 9, 2017 11:50:42 GMT
Well played Shai Hope
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 9, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
A good win in the end. Makes the 2nd test performance even more stupefying. But bring on the Aussies.
A goodbye to my dear old thing, Blowers. Dress sense to test even the colour blind, but a stellar commentating career nonetheless.
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Post by MJB on Sept 9, 2017 21:52:48 GMT
A good win in the end. Makes the 2nd test performance even more stupefying. But bring on the Aussies. A goodbye to my dear old thing, Blowers. Dress sense to test even the colour blind, but a stellar commentating career nonetheless. End of an era with Blowers hanging up his mic. A great character and unlikely we'll ever hear a voice such as his in the media again.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 9, 2017 22:14:58 GMT
A good win in the end. Makes the 2nd test performance even more stupefying. But bring on the Aussies. A goodbye to my dear old thing, Blowers. Dress sense to test even the colour blind, but a stellar commentating career nonetheless. End of an era with Blowers hanging up his mic. A great character and unlikely we'll ever hear a voice such as his in the media again. Agree. Aggers is the last of that generation on radio, and David Lloyd on TV. I fear Michael Holding is the last of those truly wonderful Caribbean voices that have underpinned cricket commentary over here for many years. As an aside. I'm glad Nick Knight has been binned from test matches. No opinion, no personality, just nothing.
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Post by MJB on Sept 9, 2017 22:29:13 GMT
End of an era with Blowers hanging up his mic. A great character and unlikely we'll ever hear a voice such as his in the media again. Agree. Aggers is the last of that generation on radio, and David Lloyd on TV. I fear Michael Holding is the last of those truly wonderful Caribbean voices that have underpinned cricket commentary over here for many years. As an aside. I'm glad Nick Knight has been binned from test matches. No opinion, no personality, just nothing. I binned off Sky last year so don't see their coverage anymore but always enjoyed Lloyd greatly. Also enjoyed the whole Sky team generally but a newer generation as you say. As for TMS, Aggers is a master. Enjoy Vaughn's insight and delivery too and he's really excelling these days I feel. Ed Smith feels to me to be the natural successor to Aggers although hopefully not for many, many years. Don't mind Boycott despite him being a caricature but Swann and his tedious humour really annoys me.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 10, 2017 12:27:47 GMT
I wouldn't miss Botham or Gower from Sky now. Both caricatures of what they used to be.
Ed Smith does have that TMS voice, but agree on Swann. Feels like a comedian whose one joke is funny, but they have no other material. I'm glad I don't have BT sport so I won't see any of his Ashes stuff.
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Post by foley on Sept 11, 2017 7:26:15 GMT
I think that Nasser is great on Sky alongside Holding, Lloyd.
I am not so keen on Willis, Botham and Gower.
OK for the Ashes I recon that we will take Malan and probably Stoneman. But Westley? Can we take him?
Personally I would also take Wood over Roland Jones if he is fit (as pace is required in Australia)
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 11, 2017 7:42:11 GMT
I've been fairly impressed with TRJ - he has (unlike Broad) been bright enough to change his length and direction to suit the atmospheric and pitch conditions. I'm not sure what the size of the touring party is going to be, but I'd probably try to squeeze both Wood and TRJ.
Westley seems to have fundamental errors in his technique that the Aussies are sure to exploit, but is there an alternative?
Re commentators. I'm fairly glad that Blowers has retired - I felt in later years he was becoming a bit of a caricature of himself. Just a few too many 'dear old thing's, busses, cranes, pigeons etc.
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Post by unification on Sept 11, 2017 8:21:15 GMT
I've been fairly impressed with TRJ - he has (unlike Broad) been bright enough to change his length and direction to suit the atmospheric and pitch conditions. I'm not sure what the size of the touring party is going to be, but I'd probably try to squeeze both Wood and TRJ. Westley seems to have fundamental errors in his technique that the Aussies are sure to exploit, but is there an alternative? Re commentators. I'm fairly glad that Blowers has retired - I felt in later years he was becoming a bit of a caricature of himself. Just a few too many 'dear old thing's, busses, cranes, pigeons etc. I feel a bit annoyed at the treatment of TRJ. He’s been discussed in throwaway terms like the England establishment speak of the ‘other’ spinner we always seem take on the tours of the subcontinent (Shaun Udal, Gareth Batty etc). ‘Well done, you’re here. Enjoy it whilst you can as we’re looking for other options once this is over’ sort of attitude when he’s really done nothing wrong and, as you say, adapted his game to the conditions. I’d rather take him as a form bowler than Wood who may be quicker but would require a lot of match practice in the upcoming County Championship games and tour games before the Ashes begin properly. We talk of needing proper pacemen for Australian pitches, but maybe a curveball in TRJ would be something different to throw at them. Some of our genuine fast bowlers have had fairly ordinary tours of Australia over the years. Steve Harmison is the main one that comes to mind. It’s sad to see Blowers bow out for all good things come to an end. Having met him once he is as lovely, happy to chat and jolly as he appears on radio. I don’t think there’s a single cricket fan out there who doesn’t wish him a long and happy retirement.
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Post by Junior on Sept 11, 2017 10:34:11 GMT
Worth remembering that the England lions will also be in Australia. They are having a training camp in preparation for a tour of the West Indies in early '18 so any player not initially in the main squad will most likely tag along with them and be ready to called upon at short notice if needed..
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Post by foley on Sept 11, 2017 11:25:09 GMT
I've been fairly impressed with TRJ - he has (unlike Broad) been bright enough to change his length and direction to suit the atmospheric and pitch conditions. I'm not sure what the size of the touring party is going to be, but I'd probably try to squeeze both Wood and TRJ.
Westley seems to have fundamental errors in his technique that the Aussies are sure to exploit, but is there an alternative? Re commentators. I'm fairly glad that Blowers has retired - I felt in later years he was becoming a bit of a caricature of himself. Just a few too many 'dear old thing's, busses, cranes, pigeons etc. I reckon that if fit Anderson, Broad and Woakes are pretty nailed on (Woakes has time to get up to speed) Then there is Stokes. So will their be room for 2 other seamers?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 11, 2017 12:15:53 GMT
My assumption is that TRJ is seen as an English home bowler and not compatible with bouncier wickets in Oz. So a Ball or Finn will be more appropriate. Which is bloody harsh.
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Post by tonyw on Sept 11, 2017 18:39:56 GMT
I reckon that if fit Anderson, Broad and Woakes are pretty nailed on (Woakes has time to get up to speed) Then there is Stokes. So will their be room for 2 other seamers?Definitely. Probably take a 17-man squad, like last time. Two keepers (Bairstow, Buttler?) + Two spinners (Ali, Crane?) + Stokes. Still leaves twelve spots....so they'll either go 6 bats/6 pacemen, or 7 bats/5 pacemen. I'd have thought the former is more likely as Australia is pretty attritional when it comes to pace bowlers and there's not much point having two batsmen twiddling their thumbs all winter. Either way there's definitely at least two spots available to complement Anderson, Broad, Woakes & Stokes, and possibly three. I'd take TRJ and Wood, and then probably one other......
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Post by tonyw on Sept 11, 2017 18:45:02 GMT
On the commentary front, I still think that the 2005 Channel 4 Ashes team was the pinnacle of TV commentary (as were most things about that summer).
Atherton, Boycott, Benaud, Nicholas, Grieg & Slater with Simon Hughes in the truck.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 11, 2017 20:42:43 GMT
It looks like Buttler is out for T20 contracts, so is off the test WK list. The likes of Duckett, Foakes could be the replacement. Crane is very highly rated by England, so could either carry the drinks or play for the Lions. He played some grade cricket in Oz last winter so has some exposure to their cricket.
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 11, 2017 20:58:12 GMT
Send Crane with the Lions, Rashid with the main tour. Can always fly Crane in if needed and he hits some form.
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Post by foley on Sept 11, 2017 21:09:31 GMT
It looks like Buttler is out for T20 contracts, so is off the test WK list. The likes of Duckett, Foakes could be the replacement. Crane is very highly rated by England, so could either carry the drinks or play for the Lions. He played some grade cricket in Oz last winter so has some exposure to their cricket. I believe that Crane did so well in Grade cricket that he ended up playing Sheffield Shield. I would prefer that England actually back Crane and go with him. Just having not had a chance this year (he should have played instead of Dawson) he is extremely inexperienced.
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 11, 2017 21:13:25 GMT
It looks like Buttler is out for T20 contracts, so is off the test WK list. The likes of Duckett, Foakes could be the replacement. Crane is very highly rated by England, so could either carry the drinks or play for the Lions. He played some grade cricket in Oz last winter so has some exposure to their cricket. I believe that Crane did so well in Grade cricket that he ended up playing Sheffield Shield. I would prefer that England actually back Crane and go with him. Just having not had a chance this year (he should have played instead of Dawson) he is extremely inexperienced. [br The first foreign player to play for New South Wales since Imran Khan apparently, so he must be able to get something out of the pitches over there.
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Post by nige01ox on Sept 11, 2017 22:40:26 GMT
There was a special Verdict episode on Sky Sports yesterday where Gower, Botham, Atherton, Hussain and Warne picked a 16 man England squad to go Down Under (so I assume that's how many we're taking). They said you'd take one spare batsman, a spare keeper, spinner and 2 seamers. Their squad was Cook, Stoneman, Westley, Root, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Hales, Foakes, Crane, Roland-Jones, Wood.
As has been mentioned here, they also said the Lions are touring Australia so a number of players are only a flight away from joining the main squad in the case of injury etc.
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Post by makv on Sept 11, 2017 22:43:47 GMT
I believe that Crane did so well in Grade cricket that he ended up playing Sheffield Shield. I would prefer that England actually back Crane and go with him. Just having not had a chance this year (he should have played instead of Dawson) he is extremely inexperienced. [br The first foreign player to play for New South Wales since Imran Khan apparently, so he must be able to get something out of the pitches over there. I've been watching Crane for a couple of years now. He's clearly a class act and it's excellent to hear he did so well in Oz.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 27, 2017 8:37:11 GMT
The Ashes squad looks to be: Root, Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Ballance, Vince, Moeen, Crane, Foakes, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Ball, Overton.
So, Ballance back to 3 to get out and score no runs and Vince back in even. I hope the Bowlers can bowl and bat well!
Independently, Ben Stokes is a moron.
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