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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 25, 2017 16:11:28 GMT
Yuge let off for Stokes there on 98. Lovely innings from Stokes. Kept us in the game
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Post by andystroud on Aug 25, 2017 16:34:38 GMT
WIndies have bowled really well, unrecognisable from the First Test. However their catching has been very average.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 25, 2017 16:43:10 GMT
Be interesting to see how West Indies bat on this pitch now, hard to judge how a pitch plays until you have seen both teams. It's hard not to worry about our top order in Australia though.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 25, 2017 18:09:27 GMT
Another poor start. Perhaps Root needs to move to number three, to give any new players a bit of protection. We won't get away with depending on the middle order against the Aussies. Why,why,why does this keep coming up ? Root is the best No 4 in the world,he has just equaled the world record of 12 consecutive 50s,yet people want to move him up to 3 ? The tail keeps collapsing,i know put Root in at 9 to strengthen the tail. We can't find an opener to partner Cook,i know put Root in as an opener. NO,you play your best players in their best positions.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 25, 2017 18:45:41 GMT
Another poor start. Perhaps Root needs to move to number three, to give any new players a bit of protection. We won't get away with depending on the middle order against the Aussies. Why,why,why does this keep coming up ? Root is the best No 4 in the world,he has just equaled the world record of 12 consecutive 50s,yet people want to move him up to 3 ? The tail keeps collapsing,i know put Root in at 9 to strengthen the tail. We can't find an opener to partner Cook,i know put Root in as an opener. NO,you play your best players in their best positions. Does batting 4 mean he comes in a lot later than 3? It's only a few overs max with how we are struggling at the moment.
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2017 19:02:15 GMT
More of a mental thing I'd imagine.
Leave root at 4. Hammed needs to come back in as he at least looks like he wants to play the long game.
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Post by MJB on Aug 25, 2017 19:38:51 GMT
Never should have jettisoned Compdog!
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Post by rickyotto on Aug 25, 2017 20:24:14 GMT
Never should have jettisoned Compdog! Who was the big black lad who opened in australia when we got slaughtered? Always thought he got a rough deal being dropped with the second best average and debuting out there
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Post by berliner on Aug 25, 2017 20:51:00 GMT
Never should have jettisoned Compdog! Who was the big black lad who opened in australia when we got slaughtered? Always thought he got a rough deal being dropped with the second best average and debuting out there Michael Carberry...was diagnosed with cancer in 2016 and made his comeback this April, happily.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 25, 2017 20:53:09 GMT
The Surrey Birmingham Twenty20 game is bum squeaker!
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 25, 2017 21:37:27 GMT
The Surrey Birmingham Twenty20 game is bum squeaker! Got tickets for finals day, regular thing for us, it's a great day. Just wish Middlesex would bloody turn up for once...
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 26, 2017 7:41:19 GMT
Why,why,why does this keep coming up ? Root is the best No 4 in the world,he has just equaled the world record of 12 consecutive 50s,yet people want to move him up to 3 ? The tail keeps collapsing,i know put Root in at 9 to strengthen the tail. We can't find an opener to partner Cook,i know put Root in as an opener. NO,you play your best players in their best positions. Does batting 4 mean he comes in a lot later than 3? It's only a few overs max with how we are struggling at the moment. No,but in the same context their was only 2 overs between the first wicket and the second,so why not have him opening ? Joe Root started his England career as a number 7 batsman,moved up to 6 where he stayed till he was promoted to opener,he then went back to 6,he then took over the number 3 slot when Jonathan Trott left the England team through stress(bottled it) in Australia,before settling in the number 4 slot. Joe Root averages 54 in test cricket,he averages 27 batting at 3,so exactly half,yes it was in Aus in an Ashes series,but thats where we are going this winter. Do we really want to jeopardise our best batsmen due to other players deficiencies ?
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 26, 2017 8:18:02 GMT
Who was the big black lad who opened in australia when we got slaughtered? Always thought he got a rough deal being dropped with the second best average and debuting out there Michael Carberry...was diagnosed with cancer in 2016 and made his comeback this April, happily. Another example of Englands forward thinking,made his debut aged 30,played one match,dropped,recalled for the Ashes tour in 2013 aged 33, 3 years later ! Compton made his debut at 29. Mark Stoneman the current incumbent of the opening spot, made his debut this summer aged 30. David Malan made his debut this summer,he is 30 next week. Tom Westley is a youngster he is only 28. Just what is Englands problem with playing youth ? Michael Carberry played for England under 15s,he played for England in the under 19s world cup. So no way was he ever under the radar,yet never got a look in until he was 33,(his debut aged 30 was because England rested Strauss). Hassed Hameed averages 43.8 for England aged 20,scored 59 not out on his last appearance with a BROKEN FINGER,yet can't get a sniff. No doubt he will be in the team for the 2027 ashes.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 26, 2017 10:50:54 GMT
Hameed's issue, in part, has been his form or the lack thereof. The Twenty20 season left him over his injurues but without meaningful time in the middle to push for the test side.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 26, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
Hameed's issue, in part, has been his form or the lack thereof. The Twenty20 season left him over his injurues but without meaningful time in the middle to push for the test side. But just picking players for test matches based in county cricket form has proved a failure, the gap in quality is so wide that it would be like picking the England football team from purely league one teams, the form isn't always transferable. You have to pick good players who have the ability to become test players, have the skill set to do that, not just throw in whoever has been a flat track bully for the last few months. If they believe Hameed has the ability they shouldn't worry about his lack of runs in the county game but get him in the team and learning the craft of being a test opener, rather than waste a couple of years till he starts picking up runs against bowlers who will never be international quality. You could even argue that domestic cricket will give him bad habits, it seems to have done so for a fair few we have tried. I think it was Fletcher who picked both Vaughn and Trescothick when other people were scoring bigger in the county game, he liked what he saw in them as players capable of playing test match cricket, that they had a transferable skill set to the the international game.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 26, 2017 21:12:42 GMT
Hameed's issue, in part, has been his form or the lack thereof. The Twenty20 season left him over his injurues but without meaningful time in the middle to push for the test side. But just picking players for test matches based in county cricket form has proved a failure, the gap in quality is so wide that it would be like picking the England football team from purely league one teams, the form isn't always transferable. You have to pick good players who have the ability to become test players, have the skill set to do that, not just throw in whoever has been a flat track bully for the last few months. If they believe Hameed has the ability they shouldn't worry about his lack of runs in the county game but get him in the team and learning the craft of being a test opener, rather than waste a couple of years till he starts picking up runs against bowlers who will never be international quality. You could even argue that domestic cricket will give him bad habits, it seems to have done so for a fair few we have tried. I think it was Fletcher who picked both Vaughn and Trescothick when other people were scoring bigger in the county game, he liked what he saw in them as players capable of playing test match cricket, that they had a transferable skill set to the the international game. I get the feeling that the current regime have soured a little on Hamed - not sure why - and that is part of the reason he's not been around the team so far. The fact he's not played first class cricket is the other part to it.
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Post by makv on Aug 27, 2017 13:40:39 GMT
Some proper Test match crikkit being played at the moment. Nice to see and congrats to the Windies for showing some grit.
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Post by makv on Aug 27, 2017 15:29:22 GMT
And that's the end of Westley surely? Stoneman way have something though.
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Post by nige01ox on Aug 27, 2017 15:45:11 GMT
And that's the end of Westley surely? Stoneman way have something though. Stoneman has certainly looked a heck of a lot more solid than Jennings, Westley and Malan
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 27, 2017 15:59:07 GMT
And that's the end of Westley surely? Stoneman way have something though. Stoneman has certainly looked a heck of a lot more solid than Jennings, Westley and Malan Well you jinxed that...
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Post by nige01ox on Aug 27, 2017 16:00:29 GMT
Stoneman has certainly looked a heck of a lot more solid than Jennings, Westley and Malan Well you jinxed that... Oh bugger, my bad! Decent cherry tbf.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 27, 2017 16:36:05 GMT
Out to a no ball. Not sure why that wasn't overturned.. I did think that when they were 'rocking' the image back and forwards a frame they hadn't got to where he actually landed but we're the frame before.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 28, 2017 9:07:49 GMT
Interesting morning coming up.
Scores almost level, England with 7 wickets left.
Pitch should be very dry now and with the ball spinning batting will get trickier.
What sort of lead could England defend?
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Post by makv on Aug 28, 2017 11:47:13 GMT
Interesting morning coming up. Scores almost level, England with 7 wickets left. Pitch should be very dry now and with the ball spinning batting will get trickier. What sort of lead could England defend? 250?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 28, 2017 12:14:14 GMT
If we keep grafting, the match will be quite close. The new ball will be key to that.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 28, 2017 15:22:07 GMT
Can't believe what I am watching this evening, have the Windies just given up? They have a fantastic chance of a test win, but no urgency or intensity.
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Post by makv on Aug 28, 2017 17:25:39 GMT
Really impressed by that declaration
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 28, 2017 20:28:28 GMT
The Windies looked like they ran out of energy and motivation in the last couple of sessions. It was strange from them. Should make for a fascinating last day.
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Post by makv on Aug 29, 2017 14:13:05 GMT
Gulp
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 29, 2017 14:38:17 GMT
Exactly. When do we start bowling wide as possible to stop them scoring?
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