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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 29, 2017 14:47:17 GMT
I don't know how the English team and players approached this match (although I can guess), but the commentators - both radio and TV - were guilty of overwhelming arrogance and over-confidence. This is a test series in itself, it isn't some sort of trials for the Ashes.
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 29, 2017 14:57:38 GMT
I don't know how the English team and players approached this match (although I can guess), but the commentators - both radio and TV - were guilty of overwhelming arrogance and over-confidence. This is a test series in itself, it isn't some sort of trials for the Ashes. Couldn't agree more. Listening to the Cricket Highlights on Channel 5 suggested that England were home and hosed, but the scorecard suggested otherwise. There was a time when 322 on the last day was a very tall order, but these days 322 is easily chased down. Plus the fact England managed to plunder 490/8dec suggests that there is little in the pitch to aid the bowlers. I feel the declartation last night was a tad too early. They should have gone through to the close, come in this morning for half an hour, and then declared.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 29, 2017 15:02:13 GMT
All the years of the media slagging off England Captains for being too safe on declarations, this could be time for them to eat their crow. Now, there have been ridiculous overkills on totals, but this one may bite those wizened chimps on the backside.
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Post by gingerox on Aug 29, 2017 17:46:57 GMT
Fair play to the Windies, two brilliant innings from Braithwaite and Hope. I don't think there was too much wrong with the attacking declaration, comeback was very unlikely?
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Post by makv on Aug 29, 2017 17:55:40 GMT
Fair play to the Windies, two brilliant innings from Braithwaite and Hope. I don't think there was too much wrong with the attacking declaration, comeback was very unlikely? Yep, fair dos - I have no issue with the declaration either.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 29, 2017 18:52:35 GMT
All the years of the media slagging off England Captains for being too safe on declarations, this could be time for them to eat their crow. Now, there have been ridiculous overkills on totals, but this one may bite those wizened chimps on the backside. Excellent use of 'eat their crow' - A forum first I'd guess
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 29, 2017 20:39:15 GMT
All the years of the media slagging off England Captains for being too safe on declarations, this could be time for them to eat their crow. Now, there have been ridiculous overkills on totals, but this one may bite those wizened chimps on the backside. Excellent use of 'eat their crow' - A forum first I'd guess Haha. it's almost worth losing like this so the various media bore loud mouths (Botham for one) will shut up about declaring early for once. I bet Cook and Strauss are feeling a little more comfortable with their decisions.
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Post by nige01ox on Aug 29, 2017 22:24:46 GMT
Didn't have a problem with the declaration, we just didn't bat well enough first time round. And the catching (from both sides) has to improve.
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Post by makv on Aug 29, 2017 22:49:47 GMT
Didn't have a problem with the declaration, we just didn't bat well enough first time round. And the catching (from both sides) has to improve. The only problem I have with the declaration is whether it will colour Root's thinking in future in similar situations. It was the right thing to do - they just batted incredibly well and it contributed to a great Test match.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Aug 29, 2017 23:17:16 GMT
Really impressed by that declaration ??
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Post by makv on Aug 29, 2017 23:22:38 GMT
Really impressed by that declaration ?? Yup. Still am.
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Post by pooshooter on Aug 30, 2017 11:44:52 GMT
I presume Michael Vaughan is suitably embarrassed by his dismissal of the Windies as very poor in the first test...
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Post by tonyw on Aug 30, 2017 18:05:04 GMT
On the plus side, the Aussies just lost to Bangladesh......so it's not all looking bad for the Ashes!
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Post by makv on Aug 30, 2017 19:02:31 GMT
On the plus side, the Aussies just lost to Bangladesh......so it's not all looking bad for the Ashes! And both results were a plus for Test match crikkit. You'd never really hear that from a football supporter obviously!
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Post by foley on Aug 30, 2017 19:15:03 GMT
Same squad for the third Test.
Would love to see Crane play but very much doubt he will.
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Post by Junior on Aug 31, 2017 2:19:50 GMT
On the plus side, the Aussies just lost to Bangladesh......so it's not all looking bad for the Ashes! Very much a weakened aus team though... We still face a massive test this winter and also face a very good and quick pace attack.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 31, 2017 2:31:16 GMT
Very much a weakened aus team though... We still face a massive test this winter and also face a very good and quick pace attack. ? Only two changes from the team that played their last Test match (March in India) - and Shaun Marsh and Steve O'Keefe were both dropped after that tour. You're being harsh on Bangladesh here - that's, in the Aussie selectors' opinion, the strongest side they have available playing out there in Bangladesh. Now I don't disagree that the Ashes are going to be mighty tough. They're a different proposition on their own turf, and they'll likely have Mitchell Starc back from injury, which will make their pace attack better. But that ain't a weakened team....that's who they've got now.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 31, 2017 6:20:37 GMT
Michael Vaughan reckons that Ban Stokes is "a freak" and will go on to be an England "all time great" Well the current England captain obviously disagrees,with Englands backs against the wall,needing a wicket,any wicket,did he turn to Stokes to save the day ? Did he f@@k, 5 overs all day (at 5 runs per over). As Stokes bats at 7 (average 34),you have to say he is supposed to be a bowler that bats all rounder,rather than a batter that bowls. Well he hasn't taken 3 wickets in an innings in England since August 2015. He has only taken 4 wickets in an innings 6 times in his career,(38 matches) With Jimmy and Woakes having recent injury problems,we need a 4th quickie to share the workload. Root obviously doesn't think Stokes is that man. Toby Roland Jones must have had a big smile on his face watching England struggle to take wickets,as in just 3 matches this summer he is Englands third highest wicket taker.
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Post by makv on Sept 7, 2017 18:11:28 GMT
170 runs and 14 wickets in the day today. Great value for your money if you were there today.
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 7, 2017 20:07:33 GMT
170 runs and 14 wickets in the day today. Great value for your money if you were there today. I wasn't, I'm there tomorrow and looking at the forecast I may not see a ball bowled
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Post by makv on Sept 7, 2017 20:32:52 GMT
170 runs and 14 wickets in the day today. Great value for your money if you were there today. I wasn't, I'm there tomorrow and looking at the forecast I may not see a ball bowled That bad huh?
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 7, 2017 20:42:59 GMT
I wasn't, I'm there tomorrow and looking at the forecast I may not see a ball bowled That bad huh? It's a shocker, looks like solid rain from about 10. Guess I'll have to amuse myself by sending pics of me in the bar to my work colleagues for 6 hours whilst they work then...
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 7, 2017 20:44:50 GMT
It's just as well the Windies collapsed. May mean a result is still possible...
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Post by londonroader on Sept 8, 2017 6:45:51 GMT
Michael Vaughan reckons that Ban Stokes is "a freak" and will go on to be an England "all time great" Well the current England captain obviously disagrees,with Englands backs against the wall,needing a wicket,any wicket,did he turn to Stokes to save the day ? Did he f@@k, 5 overs all day (at 5 runs per over). As Stokes bats at 7 (average 34),you have to say he is supposed to be a bowler that bats all rounder,rather than a batter that bowls. Well he hasn't taken 3 wickets in an innings in England since August 2015. He has only taken 4 wickets in an innings 6 times in his career,(38 matches) With Jimmy and Woakes having recent injury problems,we need a 4th quickie to share the workload. Root obviously doesn't think Stokes is that man. Toby Roland Jones must have had a big smile on his face watching England struggle to take wickets,as in just 3 matches this summer he is Englands third highest wicket taker. Crickets a funny game and every dog has its day
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Post by foley on Sept 8, 2017 7:25:45 GMT
Michael Vaughan reckons that Ban Stokes is "a freak" and will go on to be an England "all time great" Well the current England captain obviously disagrees,with Englands backs against the wall,needing a wicket,any wicket,did he turn to Stokes to save the day ? Did he f@@k, 5 overs all day (at 5 runs per over). As Stokes bats at 7 (average 34),you have to say he is supposed to be a bowler that bats all rounder,rather than a batter that bowls. Well he hasn't taken 3 wickets in an innings in England since August 2015. He has only taken 4 wickets in an innings 6 times in his career,(38 matches) With Jimmy and Woakes having recent injury problems,we need a 4th quickie to share the workload. Root obviously doesn't think Stokes is that man. Toby Roland Jones must have had a big smile on his face watching England struggle to take wickets,as in just 3 matches this summer he is Englands third highest wicket taker. The thing with Stokes is that he can have some poor games but unlike most can win you the game with the bat or the ball. His fielding is generally excellent and he is a vital player to the team. As Vaughan said if we are to win in Australia Stokes will probably have to have a very good tour.
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 8, 2017 14:00:47 GMT
Michael Vaughan reckons that Ban Stokes is "a freak" and will go on to be an England "all time great" Well the current England captain obviously disagrees,with Englands backs against the wall,needing a wicket,any wicket,did he turn to Stokes to save the day ? Did he f@@k, 5 overs all day (at 5 runs per over). As Stokes bats at 7 (average 34),you have to say he is supposed to be a bowler that bats all rounder,rather than a batter that bowls. Well he hasn't taken 3 wickets in an innings in England since August 2015. He has only taken 4 wickets in an innings 6 times in his career,(38 matches) With Jimmy and Woakes having recent injury problems,we need a 4th quickie to share the workload. Root obviously doesn't think Stokes is that man. Toby Roland Jones must have had a big smile on his face watching England struggle to take wickets,as in just 3 matches this summer he is Englands third highest wicket taker. Good timing 😂😉
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Post by amershamdave on Sept 8, 2017 14:52:57 GMT
Michael Vaughan reckons that Ban Stokes is "a freak" and will go on to be an England "all time great" Well the current England captain obviously disagrees,with Englands backs against the wall,needing a wicket,any wicket,did he turn to Stokes to save the day ? Did he f@@k, 5 overs all day (at 5 runs per over). As Stokes bats at 7 (average 34),you have to say he is supposed to be a bowler that bats all rounder,rather than a batter that bowls. Well he hasn't taken 3 wickets in an innings in England since August 2015. He has only taken 4 wickets in an innings 6 times in his career,(38 matches) With Jimmy and Woakes having recent injury problems,we need a 4th quickie to share the workload. Root obviously doesn't think Stokes is that man. Toby Roland Jones must have had a big smile on his face watching England struggle to take wickets,as in just 3 matches this summer he is Englands third highest wicket taker. Crickets a funny game and every dog has its day As long as it don't run onto the pitch!
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Post by foley on Sept 8, 2017 15:29:32 GMT
So Stokes gets 60 (great match for him so far) and we are 41ahead with one wicket left.
If we bowl well we are in a decent position in the context of the pitch and scores so far?
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Post by makv on Sept 8, 2017 15:49:01 GMT
Should be a good batting day tomorrow though…
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Post by headingtonutd on Sept 8, 2017 17:13:43 GMT
Well done Jimmy. A massive achievement and could go on to be the highest wicket taking fast bowler of all time.
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