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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 2, 2013 8:51:04 GMT
Admin. Can I suggest we ban YellowHoods for littering this forum with the (very very long) ramblings of the deranged.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 2, 2013 8:52:29 GMT
I haven't made one post "rubbishing" Yellow voice or telling people not to join. No idea what this guy is seeing.
Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by heel on Aug 2, 2013 8:55:20 GMT
Wow and that's a great example of why I won't read that forum. Good luck to their administrator.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 2, 2013 8:56:09 GMT
I haven't made one post "rubbishing" Yellow voice. No idea what this guy is seeing. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Don't worry, no one else has a clue either.
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Post by essexyellows on Aug 2, 2013 9:13:51 GMT
Typical internet tosh. Person "A" sets up forum & gets ideas above their station. Initially they accept criticism, then they get fed up & ban folk. That doesn't work so toys get thrown from the pram. Oxvox & its committee need to remember that they are the recognised independent voice of a broad church of fans and must take the rough with the smooth. Oxvox is NOT a vehicle for anyones pseudo-journalistic career. Not far wrong then it seems as Ken still gets his point across despite being "banned" from here.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 2, 2013 9:18:03 GMT
Typical internet tosh. Person "A" sets up forum & gets ideas above their station. Initially they accept criticism, then they get fed up & ban folk. That doesn't work so toys get thrown from the pram. Oxvox & its committee need to remember that they are the recognised independent voice of a broad church of fans and must take the rough with the smooth. Oxvox is NOT a vehicle for anyones pseudo-journalistic career. Not far wrong then it seems as Ken still gets his point across despite being "banned" from here. Bloody hell, you actually understand what his point is! Can you please explain it to me... preferably in no more than one short paragraph.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 9:28:30 GMT
Admin. Can I suggest we ban YellowHoods for littering this forum with the (very very long) ramblings of the deranged. I see it as a public service.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 2, 2013 10:06:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 10:11:30 GMT
A quality rant from Ken. cringe-worthy and hilarious at the same time However I'm confused now, is eastandboy and Mark Sennett the same person, think I may have stumbled across a multi Keep it to yourself. This place could never survive such a scandal.
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Post by malcolmnl on Aug 2, 2013 10:30:30 GMT
I think that I came out quite well in that epistle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 10:32:39 GMT
I think that I came out quite well in that epistle Ken's clever. Divide and rule.
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Post by malcolmnl on Aug 2, 2013 10:38:52 GMT
No chance. And he knows it.
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Post by gottagetbetta on Aug 2, 2013 10:52:22 GMT
I did try to read and understand Ken's rant, I really did, but half way through I lost the will to live.
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Post by essexyellows on Aug 2, 2013 11:12:30 GMT
Why is Hoodsy showing as a "new member"? Did I miss another online suicide & ressurection??
Ken might be a fruitloop but he`s one of ours & their are plenty of them around this club!!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 2, 2013 13:06:33 GMT
Did anyone manage to get through Ken's stream of conciousness? As far as I can tell ESB and Mark Sennett are normal decent people who give their time for free running this forum or OxVox. From what I read, that rant from Ken is why few people take him seriously anymore.
He also conveniently forgets his little role in getting TT banned as well.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 2, 2013 14:38:08 GMT
So does anyone know who owns this new yellow voice forum? think I read somewhere that Stewart Donald at Bridle paid for it, is this true?
Who runs it & who are the moderators?
Anyway I wish it well, however if Ken's rants are typical of the 'debate' on there it could struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 8:10:37 GMT
So does anyone know who owns this new yellow voice forum? think I read somewhere that Stewart Donald at Bridle paid for it, is this true? Who runs it & who are the moderators? Anyway I wish it well, however if Ken's rants are typical of the 'debate' on there it could struggle. Probably set-up and owned by a very bitter ex-OXVOX member who feels he has been slighted by the current committee of OXVOX.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 16:00:53 GMT
So does anyone know who owns this new yellow voice forum? think I read somewhere that Stewart Donald at Bridle paid for it, is this true? Who runs it & who are the moderators? Anyway I wish it well, however if Ken's rants are typical of the 'debate' on there it could struggle. Probably set-up and owned by a very bitter ex-OXVOX member who feels he has been slighted by the current committee of OXVOX. Hi Fox Yellow. I really hope your comments are not correct. My view is that forums should learn to co-exist in a friendly way and I see no mileage in it being any other way. I have registered on the other site simply because so far as I can see, it is being administered in a way which frowns on personal insults and allows people to express their view freely and therefore promotes debate. The demise of the oxvox forum is very sad indeed but it was a vehicle for their members to ask questions - this new one seems to have attracted members who are indeed, I believe, oxvox members themselves and are seeking answers from Mark/Simon and his committee. I am sure you will agree it is within the remit of their membership to indeed ask of things they are not sure or happy about? My own view FWIW (and I am conscious I am no longer a member) is that oxvox should reply to their critics in a calm, reasoned and professional manner - certainly without rancour. Yes of course some of the questions posed to them are hard hitting but in my view for anyone who wishes to set themselves up as leaders, then this is par for the course and it is incumbent on them to be able to deal with it. Leaving questions unanswered is the height of folly. Could be after debate they might accept some of the points their own members are not happy about - maybe not and they might persuade their critics otherwise.......who knows. Whatever the outcome of what appears to be disagreements, always remember difficult problems are redeemable with a little common sense. I am just as happy posting on Yellows Forum or on RageOnline or indeed the Yellows Voice. No wish to fall out with you Fox Yellow - just hope I can persuade you that friendly relations twixt forums are the way forward. Always willing to have drink with you prior to a game if you so wish.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 5, 2013 23:30:59 GMT
Bob I have just posted my thoughts in reply to Mr 5Co's questions and comments having just read them on the alternative forum. www.yellowsforum.co.uk/thread/14626/oxvox-special?page=1&scrollTo=322411As I said to one of the yellow voice contributors only last week, if members aren't happy with the committee, individuals, its direction, then it would make sense to record these at the OxVox pre-match meetings.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 6, 2013 7:27:20 GMT
So does anyone know who owns this new yellow voice forum? think I read somewhere that Stewart Donald at Bridle paid for it, is this true? Who runs it & who are the moderators? Anyway I wish it well, however if Ken's rants are typical of the 'debate' on there it could struggle. Probably set-up and owned by a very bitter ex-OXVOX member who feels he has been slighted by the current committee of OXVOX. I've no idea if this is true or not, however in the interests of openness and transparency.. Who funded/owns the yellow voice forum? Who runs it? Who are the moderators?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 8:04:18 GMT
Thankyou Simon - and I trust you are well. Not being a member of oxvox I am not sure whether you need my advice or not any more......but here goes. First and foremost I cannot understand your reticence for not being seen on this new forum. I am registered on it - and am I any less of a person, than say you? Mark and your goodself are El Presidente and Vice El Presidente and your members wish to hear from you. As far as I can tell this new forum is well run (probably because I am not involved on that side of things!!!) and on reading it, it would appear that many of your members are on there desperate to speak to their leadership BUT they cannot because apparently some of them are banned on Yellows Forum (hey, thats none of my business). Being in high office as I have said before, will bring about hard hitting questions, par for the course I am afraid and it is simply not good enough to ignore your dissenters in the way you are doing. What do politicians do at an election?....they get out there banging on doors, get out there in the market square and god knows where else...........they face irate people who are not in favour of their policies and have the guts to try to win them over. Remember, again as I have said before, you may well make inroads into their thoughts and maybe not - who knows - but shying away is no answer for its gives rise to the belief of some that a main ingredient in your modus operandi, is to act unilaterally on so many things. Simon, I have briefly read the link/reply of yours to Jon, but quite frankly it is Supporters Trust this and Supporters Trust that......not being a member of oxvox, I don't recognise them - but acknowledge you have chosen to come under their umbrella and hence this is the compass you will steer your ship by. Beware of the rocks Jon has chosen to use the Yellows Voice medium to express his views and I think it might be courteous of you to post said reply of yours on that forum - in fact I think he may still be awaiting approval for his application for membership on Yellows, but I am not sure. What should you two do?....imho you should get a soap box out and stand up where your members can reach and discuss things with you, ie in this particular case Yellow Voice......in other words stop acting like petulant children (Daddy speaking!) and get on with it. If I were to copy and paste your reply on the Yellow Voice myself, without your input, what good would that do - it would merely frustrate your members even more because they could not debate it with you. Anyway, I have said my piece - probably be like water off a ducks back, but what the hell. Good luck!
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 6, 2013 8:10:44 GMT
Thankyou Simon - and I trust you are well. Not being a member of oxvox I am not sure whether you need my advice or not any more......but here goes. First and foremost I cannot understand your reticence for not being seen on this new forum. I am registered on it - and am I any less of a person, than say you? Mark and your goodself are El Presidente and Vice El Presidente and your members wish to hear from you. As far as I can tell this new forum is well run (probably because I am not involved on that side of things!!!) and on reading it, it would appear that many of your members are on there desperate to speak to their leadership BUT they cannot because apparently some of them are banned on Yellows Forum (hey, thats none of my business). Being in high office as I have said before, will bring about hard hitting questions, par for the course I am afraid and it is simply not good enough to ignore your dissenters in the way you are doing. Butting in on a private argument... but your question really should have been why wouldn't those yellowvoice forum members post on this existing forum, where OxVox committee members were already posting, and where they decided to move their 'official' oxvox forum to? Are there really scared to post on here... or just so wrapped up in their own conspiracy theories thet they have lost all sense of reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 8:17:02 GMT
No wish to fall out with you Fox Yellow - just hope I can persuade you that friendly relations twixt forums are the way forward. Always willing to have drink with you prior to a game if you so wish. Bob - We have never met and I take you at your word (or inference) that you are a harmless old codger who hopes for peace on earth and between forums. But in all good conscience, take an impartial look at Yellow Voice and tell me how many different individuals are members? It's quite obvious that the place is Multi-City! New posters arrive and very soon start laying into OxVox and/or Mark Sennett. Same agenda, very similar styles of writing to each other, even the same phrases used. I don't accuse you Bob, and the resident comedian Eric Pollards Twin seems a harmless eccentric, as does beloved Ken, but where is that forum going? I can't see too many members of this forum joining when it's obvious the place is an anti-OxVox circus. And believe me Bob, I'm a member of OxVox but not an apologist for it. There may well be legitimate concerns about the way it's run, but for someone who is so far anonymous to set up an entire forum with the clear objective of criticising OxVox at every turn is bizarre.
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Post by malcolmnl on Aug 6, 2013 8:25:31 GMT
LJS
bobss did touch on the reason for a few individuals. They are banned here! That may be one of the reasons for setting up the new forum, which (personally speaking) is a venture that I hope will succeed. Many clubs have two forums and OUFC is no exception. This forum does come over as very agressive sometimes, which I'm certain puts off a lot of potential posters. So the existance of a second forum can only be a good thing.
I have an idea who is behind YV but no proof. It would be good if they made themselves know to the members there. After all ESB, Steve and myself make no secrets of our identity.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 6, 2013 8:29:07 GMT
LJS bobss did touch on the reason for a few individuals. They are banned here! That may be one of the reasons for setting up the new forum, which (personally speaking) is a venture that I hope will succeed. Many clubs have two forums and OUFC is no exception. This forum does come over as very agressive sometimes, which I'm certain puts off a lot of potential posters. So the existance of a second forum can only be a good thing. I have an idea who is behind YV but no proof. It would be good if they made themselves know to the members there. After all ESB, Steve and myself make no secrets of our identity. Being a moderator Malcolm... for what reasons were they banned from here? I did skim one thead there where someone (realfan, I think) claimed to have been banned from here, but his account still looked open. Can you clarify? Oh, and there is already a second Forum... Rageonline. Personally, I think for a club of our size to have too many forums is not such a good thing as we don't have the numbers to make them all busy enough to keep the interest going.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 8:32:48 GMT
So a significant number of Yellow Voice posters share two attributes; banned from here and anti-OxVox. Should make for a happy, positive forum!
I'm sure some of them feel they're banned from here BECAUSE they criticised Mark Sennett, who they believe has influence on this forum.
To be fair, I can understand some are unhappy that OxVox members must also join Yellows in order to contribute to threads on the OxVox sub-section. For those banned from Yellows that is obviously impossible.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 6, 2013 8:55:09 GMT
As the users on YV have a different username to what might of been used on here, it's hard to identify them as the users in question. But we sent an email to 4 addresses, 3 of which bounced because the email account doesn't exist (ie a fake email account). At the top of this forum is a link to "contact us". But not one of the banned users has emailed us. They have just made it public.
We identified 3 of the 4 were using identical IP addresses, therefore a multi. And one was using multiple proxy servers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 8:58:04 GMT
As the users on YV have a different username to what might of been used on here, it's hard to identify them as the users in question. But we sent an email to 4 addresses, 3 of which bounced because the email account doesn't exist (ie a fake email account). At the top of this forum is a link to "contact us". But not one of the banned users has emailed us. They have just made it public. We identified 3 of the 4 were using identical IP addresses, therefore a multi. And one was using multiple proxy servers. Interesting. And that multi-account activity has now surfaced on Yellow Voice. Obviously the forum owner either knows what's going on and encourages it, or is technically lacking in knowledge, which seems unlikely.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 6, 2013 9:12:30 GMT
Interesting. And that multi-account activity has now surfaced on Yellow Voice. Obviously the forum owner either knows what's going on and encourages it, or is technically lacking in knowledge, which seems unlikely. "Multi" accounts can be useful in getting a new forum off the ground, it can give an impression of a busier forum than is actually the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 9:20:43 GMT
Interesting. And that multi-account activity has now surfaced on Yellow Voice. Obviously the forum owner either knows what's going on and encourages it, or is technically lacking in knowledge, which seems unlikely. "Multi" accounts can be useful in getting a new forum off the ground, it can give an impression of a busier forum than is actually the case. I dare say. But if I was populating my new forum with multiple users, I'd try to give them different points of view, not just introduce a number of identical one-trick ponies. Strange thinking by Mr X.
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