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Post by Long John Silver on Jul 31, 2013 9:58:58 GMT
As that new forum is not an official OxVox one I am curious to know why you think that setting up another forum is necessarily a good thing, and also why it wouldn't be better if those posters joined this forum instead? This forum seems quite relaxed to ideas and posts from anyone. My personal opinion is that lots of forums with fewer posters on each is not a good thing as it's easier to miss interesting topics when they crop up. Also don't you think that Oxvox would getter a wider range of views and inputs if it was based on the busiest Oxford forum? A lot of OUFC supporters don't like this forum. Each to their own. One of them told me that he didn't fancy reading long threads about sticking the boot in on the Villa in 1492 when we were all working class heroes ad nauseam. It has quite a few irritating trolls and can be intimidating to the new poster on occasion. See yesterday as an e.g. Oxvox have been quite dopey in not re-establishing the forum on their own site in that the forum drives traffic onto their website. The whole site may become even more of a forgotten backwater now. The old Oxvox site was different from this site; Quieter, but pretty measured on the whole and I enjoyed participating in, and reading it; shame it was closed down. Ok, thanks for that. Surely no one would read a long thread about hooliganism. if they didn't want to... they would stop after knowing what it was about. I guess you get all sorts posting if you have a forum with a lot of members and covering a diverse section of the fanbase... which is what OxVox should be aiming to do, and not just to the sensitive, and often older parts of the support.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jul 31, 2013 9:59:49 GMT
I'm pleased someone has bothered to set up a new forum. Suggestion for mods; set up an ignore button though; it was made for Ken. We do have the option to ignore members.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jul 31, 2013 10:12:44 GMT
This thread alone shows how constructive this forum can be. Some great feedback for OxVox and good health debate, which isn't personal. As East Stand Boy will confirm OxVox has no moderation rights on this forum and we have not interest in doing so. But i'd guess that fact doesn't fit certain people's agenda that OxVox actually do want to discuss things with more fans and get feedback positive or negative. That's the whole committees' view by the way as we work together as 10 people not just Simon and I.
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Post by lodeyellow on Jul 31, 2013 10:53:12 GMT
Chris Davis's match reports on the OxVox site were excellent.
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Post by londonroader on Jul 31, 2013 11:09:33 GMT
I'm pleased someone has bothered to set up a new forum. Suggestion for mods; set up an ignore button though; it was made for Ken. We do have the option to ignore members. Is that a euphemism ?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 31, 2013 12:04:52 GMT
This place can be a little intimidating, but ultimately it's the biggest OUFC forum so will have the broadest range of opinions. As long as people don't act like idiots, it's fine. Opposition fans happily post on here such as OxfordHarrier and get ok. I suspect that some people feel this place is beneath them so won't join.
The other thing with forums is moderating them. When certain highly strung individuals post on places, it's a lot of work for no thanks. On that alone I see why OxVox have got rid of the forum.
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Post by oxfordharrier on Jul 31, 2013 12:21:12 GMT
This place can be a little intimidating, but ultimately it's the biggest OUFC forum so will have the broadest range of opinions. As long as people don't act like idiots, it's fine. Opposition fans happily post on here such as OxfordHarrier and get ok. This place is great, and doesn't really compare with the OxVox forum, or even Rageonline. It covers a far wider number of subjects for a start. I started posting on here to put the case for the beleaguered LW fans in Oxford (who do exist)and stayed because actually the chat's pretty good. It also tapped into the fact that I don't live in Kiddy anymore, and so all the talk you have down the pub passes me by. I have to say I know far more about the ins and outs of OUFC currently than I do about what's going on at the Aggborough these days. I think supporting the local team is important, and if I ever have a son and he wants to go to the football then I'll be taking them up to OUFC (can you imagine the logistics of trying to convince say a five year old in Oxford that he should be supporting the Harriers?). FWIW (and I know you'll always get the diehards that say second teams aren't possible), but in the last 12 months on this forum I've got to the stage where I am to all intents and purposes an Oxford fan. I'll still back the Harriers over any team, because I went to the Aggborough for the first time in 1985 aged 5, and have been going ever since, but aside from that I'm with Oxford over anyone else - I actually went to more of their matches last season than I did Kidderminster's, slightly shamefully. It helps we're not in the same division, but I think OxfordHarrier is actually a better/more accurate name now than it was when I started posting. I'm still a LW season ticket holder though, so unfortunately for you lot I'll probably be the lone voice on here for their fans next season as well... Like Pink Floyd said, just as long as we all keep talking...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 12:35:09 GMT
I suspect that some people feel this place is beneath them so won't join. Correct. I was talking to a devoted Oxford fan who posts on RageOnline because he feels it is superior in all ways to here, and there have already been comments on Yellow Voice about how "aggressive" it is on this forum. I've no idea if posters on this forum are representative of the wider OUFC support, but there are a great range of styles and views on here and I think it works.
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Post by Mark on Jul 31, 2013 12:51:09 GMT
I wonder why the yellowsvoice decided they needed their own forum? Perhaps they are scared of proper debate here on yellowsforum, whereas over there they can all agree with each other, safe in the knowledge there are no 'disciples' to worry about.
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Post by essexyellows on Jul 31, 2013 17:33:14 GMT
Typical internet tosh. Person "A" sets up forum & gets ideas above their station. Initially they accept criticism, then they get fed up & ban folk. That doesn't work so toys get thrown from the pram.
Oxvox & its committee need to remember that they are the recognised independent voice of a broad church of fans and must take the rough with the smooth. Oxvox is NOT a vehicle for anyones pseudo-journalistic career.
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Post by godalmingyellow on Jul 31, 2013 17:59:12 GMT
The old Oxvox site was different from this site; Quieter, but pretty measured on the whole and I enjoyed participating in, and reading it; shame it was closed down. It certainly was different. Not wishing to embarrass you, but you were one of a (literal) handful worth reading. There were no more than 20 regular contributors. Some were single agenda trolls (anti-CW, anti-Mark S, anti-Mr Bull, anti-OxVox generally), one (or possibly two) appeared to be clinically insane, a few were OxVox officers valiantly trying to defend themselves against the trolls. It was a mess, with little of interest to read, very little humour and rarely any rational debate. The new one will go the same way, populated as it is by the same people, albeit under different usernames. I suspect YellowHoods might be right. There are one or two posters who seem to think it necessary to post a long diatribe on any and every minor point that comes into their head and then repeat the same stuff ad nauseum whilst criticising anyone who dares to question their approach. Whilst they are entitled to their views, and it is of course always interesting to read the wide spread of opinions, it is unreasonable of them to expect everyone else to have to trawl through reams of repeated rubbish to find a couple of minor interesting points. Perhaps such people need their own forum where they can continually post what they want, but then no one would pay them any attention, so they might not get quite the same kick out of it!
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Post by Mark on Jul 31, 2013 20:24:30 GMT
Just in case Bridle might be looking in, out of curiosity, How much did Oxford United get from the promised share of insurance premium revenue from Oxford fans, in cash, and separate to any other sponsorships, over the course of this promise?
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Post by bridle on Jul 31, 2013 20:35:24 GMT
It was a check snappy but we advanced just over 30000 in the initial deal and the club are currently about 20k short off reaching the threshold for more but it wasn't supported very well by the business as we had hoped and was not strongly promoted but we won't request are fund!
To give you an example of it working better at eastleigh we have had 6 companies take it out who pay a combined premium of 800k generating about 150k but as out owner owns the club he has given them all of that as opposed to half as per the oxford deal - so it was disappointing but the club have done ok - ask anymore questions and i will help if i can
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Post by Mark on Jul 31, 2013 20:44:54 GMT
I was genuinely interested. I took out bridle insurance for a couple of years because of the sponsorship and premium share. And was wondering whether there was ever a reconciliation back.
Sadly it seems the take up wasn't enough.
Did the phone list for 'bridle bonanza' days generate any leads, or was that all philanthropic?
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Post by bridle on Jul 31, 2013 21:00:09 GMT
We had a take up from a few fans for car insurance but the big money for the club and us would have been hartwells, smiths, weber, build base etc but we never got the intros.
The bonanza days cost us a small fortune probably 30k cash plus 4 staff on the phone selling tickets not insurance so done out of the love of the club.
Hopefully one day we may be back. The sponsorship deal we did was not about money we knew the best offer for the shirts at the time was 45k but we asked Kelvin at he time what he needed he said 80k so we said fine because we are fans.
The scheme though could have been far more successful had it been properly promoted. Eastleigh will end up with potentially 250k a year but ithey have some big businesses although a much smaller fanbase. however it was never done for financial reasons just to help the club our owner wanted to do it.
Thank you for your past custom hopefully we may get involved again we would never rule it out. The share was of he commission earns on premiums which on a car is only about 10-20 percent of what you pay so it takes a lot of those!!
Thank you.
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Post by Mark on Jul 31, 2013 21:08:19 GMT
So out of interest, apart from Bobs posting this link yesterday, how on earth did all these posters start a forum together to 'replace' the Oxvox forum.
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Post by bridle on Jul 31, 2013 21:12:52 GMT
Not one for us but I can tell you cos my owner tweeted it that he has been asked to sponsor it a while ago probably to cover costs but that's all I know. However we are always asked for these types of things.
Best of luck for the season we will c u all at Pompey!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 23:09:56 GMT
The old Oxvox site was different from this site; Quieter, but pretty measured on the whole and I enjoyed participating in, and reading it; shame it was closed down. The new one will go the same way, populated as it is by the same people, albeit under different usernames.Hi YH.....I read much of what has been written recently with a wry smile. Seems everyone has different views and thats fair enough. In my dotage I've had enough of rhetoric tussles (rather play Bowls!), but I am intrigued by your statement as highlighted.....seems to be a positive statement by your goodself so I beg the question, "are you privvy to something we, the masses, are unaware of"? FWIW I have found in the large that Yellow Voice is a reasonable read and I hope their membership is a cross-match and not stereotyped as you have indicated? I learn that Goldalming Yellow has registered on the new forum - so with Ken, I am able to put a face to a couple of their members now. I have been trying to register with the new forum but as yet I am having problems with verification - this is a glitch at my end and hopefully it will be rectified shortly. I really wish people would take on board all forums with good grace - they all have their good points but perfection in this crazy world is not an option it seems.
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Post by chappers on Aug 1, 2013 6:46:14 GMT
As Oxford Harrier I was probably drawn here by things LW, but having always lived in Oxford i have always taken a keen interest in OUFC and some of the chat on here is quite good. Back on topic, this is probably a better platform for all things OXVOX as on their own forum it was pretty much a free for all on all things OUFC, that is also catered for here within the other boards. I think all subjects here will get aproper airing in an OXVOX context rather than being lost and swamped with matters that are plain OUFC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 8:33:46 GMT
The new one will go the same way, populated as it is by the same people, albeit under different usernames. Hi YH.....I read much of what has been written recently with a wry smile. Seems everyone has different views and thats fair enough. In my dotage I've had enough of rhetoric tussles (rather play Bowls!), but I am intrigued by your statement as highlighted.....seems to be a positive statement by your goodself so I beg the question, "are you privvy to something we, the masses, are unaware of"? FWIW I have found in the large that Yellow Voice is a reasonable read and I hope their membership is a cross-match and not stereotyped as you have indicated? I learn that Goldalming Yellow has registered on the new forum - so with Ken, I am able to put a face to a couple of their members now. I have been trying to register with the new forum but as yet I am having problems with verification - this is a glitch at my end and hopefully it will be rectified shortly. I really wish people would take on board all forums with good grace - they all have their good points but perfection in this crazy world is not an option it seems. Hi Bob. I read the OxVox forum often enough to become familiar with writing styles, grammatical idiosyncrasies and personal agendas. Few of the old posters are using the same usernames ("fred" being one exception), but the same old themes are there. I know you and Trev wanted cast iron proof of multi-accounts etc before acting, but unfortunately this just gave the miscreants the opportunity to carry on with their games. The forum effectively died as a result. The new one might survive I suppose, with Ken and a dozen or so others swapping stories of how beastly OxVox, IL, CW and posters on Yellows are. Regards.
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Post by godalmingyellow on Aug 1, 2013 9:09:04 GMT
The new one will go the same way, populated as it is by the same people, albeit under different usernames. Hi YH.....I read much of what has been written recently with a wry smile. Seems everyone has different views and thats fair enough. In my dotage I've had enough of rhetoric tussles (rather play Bowls!), but I am intrigued by your statement as highlighted.....seems to be a positive statement by your goodself so I beg the question, "are you privvy to something we, the masses, are unaware of"? FWIW I have found in the large that Yellow Voice is a reasonable read and I hope their membership is a cross-match and not stereotyped as you have indicated? I learn that Goldalming Yellow has registered on the new forum - so with Ken, I am able to put a face to a couple of their members now. I have been trying to register with the new forum but as yet I am having problems with verification - this is a glitch at my end and hopefully it will be rectified shortly. I really wish people would take on board all forums with good grace - they all have their good points but perfection in this crazy world is not an option it seems. Registered, but not using.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 15:45:47 GMT
It certainly was different. Not wishing to embarrass you, but you were one of a (literal) handful worth reading. There were no more than 20 regular contributors. Some were single agenda trolls (anti-CW, anti-Mark S, anti-Mr Bull, anti-OxVox generally), one (or possibly two) appeared to be clinically insane, a few were OxVox officers valiantly trying to defend themselves against the trolls. It was a mess, with little of interest to read, very little humour and rarely any rational debate. The new one will go the same way, populated as it is by the same people, albeit under different usernames. I suspect YellowHoods might be right. There are one or two posters who seem to think it necessary to post a long diatribe on any and every minor point that comes into their head and then repeat the same stuff ad nauseum whilst criticising anyone who dares to question their approach. Whilst they are entitled to their views, and it is of course always interesting to read the wide spread of opinions, it is unreasonable of them to expect everyone else to have to trawl through reams of repeated rubbish to find a couple of minor interesting points. Perhaps such people need their own forum where they can continually post what they want, but then no one would pay them any attention, so they might not get quite the same kick out of it! Thats a very good post GY. Ken/Karim, Fred, Goldenblack are posters that spring readily to mind that didn't half post a complete load of garbage on the OXVOX forum. Ken/Karim was especially fond of going off on one and was always posting complete shite. Can but hope that he doesn't start to post again on here.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 1, 2013 21:34:08 GMT
So with Ken at the healm. How many of you will sign up to YV? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 21:34:59 GMT
So with Ken at the healm. How many of you will sign up to YV? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Ken's already talking to himself.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 1, 2013 21:36:17 GMT
He is actively supporting YF too by asking members to use both forums Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Kris Grebis on Aug 1, 2013 21:44:54 GMT
Can somebody tell me what did Ken do wrong?
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Post by londonroader on Aug 1, 2013 21:46:45 GMT
It was a check snappy but we advanced just over 30000 in the initial deal and the club are currently about 20k short off reaching the threshold for more but it wasn't supported very well by the business as we had hoped and was not strongly promoted but we won't request are fund! To give you an example of it working better at eastleigh we have had 6 companies take it out who pay a combined premium of 800k generating about 150k but as out owner owns the club he has given them all of that as opposed to half as per the oxford deal - so it was disappointing but the club have done ok - ask anymore questions and i will help if i can 9 minutes, not bad Just one point, whoever you are representing Bridle, I always consider it good business manner to write communications in the correct grammar etc, when people read poorly written communications it sets a bad example for that business.
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Post by andystroud on Aug 1, 2013 22:14:02 GMT
It was a check snappy but we advanced just over 30000 in the initial deal and the club are currently about 20k short off reaching the threshold for more but it wasn't supported very well by the business as we had hoped and was not strongly promoted but we won't request are fund! To give you an example of it working better at eastleigh we have had 6 companies take it out who pay a combined premium of 800k generating about 150k but as out owner owns the club he has given them all of that as opposed to half as per the oxford deal - so it was disappointing but the club have done ok - ask anymore questions and i will help if i can 9 minutes, not bad I make it 11 minutes
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Post by heel on Aug 2, 2013 8:02:17 GMT
Any forum with Ken on it isn't worth reading. Is it jus me or is almost every thread tinged with a subtle undercurrent of negativity be it towards oufc, this forum, 12th man or OxVox?
I'm happy to stick to this forum and might actually read more on this section now I don't have to read an OxVox forum dominated by Ken there why I gave up before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 8:21:19 GMT
Ooh! ESB's in trouble now! Poor, under siege, "everybody is so unfair to me and I don't know why" Ken is obviously reading this and really doesn't like some of the comments being made. His latest diatribe from the Yellow Voice forum;
Dear Eastandboy,
Whilst I am doing my best not to keep wondering about the true relationship between yourself and Mark Sennett and whether or not there was any passing across of information so that some of your forum members were suddenly banned, you are really making this difficult for me. You are attempting to destroy this forum already for no good reason. Most of the posters herein are doing quite the opposite in relation to the Yellows Forum. So why are you doing this? The following should be noted:
1. I had nothing to do with the setting up of this forum, have nothing to do with its admin. I am just another poster who enjoys posting more than most. If this is wrong, then it must be the case that I am guilty of something. Please tell me what this is?
2. No one on this forum sees me as being "at the helm." Most of them, I hope, just see me as another poster who is keen to see the Yellows do well. Both you and Mark Sennett are arrogant fools if you think the Yellow Voice members see me in any other way. They are independently minded forum members and a fair few have probably already stopped reading most of what I write. Don't blame 'em.
3. Someone on your forum has asked what I did wrong? Well, I was banned from the Yellows Forum by Malcolm because I refused to accept personally vicious insults from a minority of your members. These members were quite aggressive and threatening. I wouldn't stand for it and gave them my both barrels of my own form of aggression. But I was reactive not proactive in this. I spoke to Malcolm in Holland and told him that I fully accepted his decision. Malcolm seems to be a decent , intelligent bloke.
4. What caused the row leading up to my being banned? I was writing a topic on Multiple Sclerosis. I am a member of the MS society and joined when a close friend's wife died of Primary MS. One Yellows Forum member posted a pretty insensitive comment on this thread and I became annoyed. A new member whose family had been devastated by this disease joined the Yellows Forum. Within about 48 hours he was disgusted by the comments in his direction and my direction about the MS thread and promptly resigned. One or two of these "gentlemen" are amongst those who are now trying to suggest that my role is something more than that of another poster.
But for you Eaststandboy to join in with an attempt by a few of your intellectually challenged members to rubbish this site says a lot about you NOT me and certainly NOT the growing number of fans who are joining this forum.
Besides Eastandboy, who are you and what are you? This forum was set up by someone I have never met and do not know. But it was done pretty quickly. Just because you set up a forum (which I am not criticising because most of your members are a decent lot) doesn't make you important, interesting or an expert on anything including our club.
I have come to the conclusion that both you and Mark Sennett are a couple of blokes who think that they are above the average fan because "you run a forum." The difference between this forum and the Yellows Forum is that we have a moderator and owner who don't feel that way. They believe in being open with fans and don't have their fingers on the trigger to ban anyone who steps out of line, a line which you and your mate Mark have drawn.
From this date forward I will continue to read some of the excellent posts written by the majority of your forum's posters and ignore your insults.
Do you know something Eastandboy? You have forgotten what representing fans truly means. You see, I am also a dedicated Yellows fan.
It is an insult to other Yellow Voice members to suggest that I have any special role to play on this forum. It is truly disgraceful that you have banned some of your members without giving a public reason for so doing.
In my youth I was a member of the British Communist Party (we all do stupid things when we are young.) I was a member though because I believe in equality and I am opposed to those who think they are better than others because of money or position. Foolish in joking the party I might have been with hindsight, I still believe in these principles.
You would not have concerned me because you have no position of importance. You may be rich for all I know, but you evidently are not that principled. Anyone who sits down and contemplates the fact that you are doing your best to destroy a Yellows Forum which is struggling to become established must be thinking you are, like Mark Sennett, not a person who should hold any position in the Yellows set up.
So Eastandboy, you may want to rubbish this new forum and persuade others not to join, but those around you will be thinking that you ain't a true fan and you will be going another step further in preventing former OxVox members from joining your forum.
I for one still hope that former OxVox Forum members decide to join the OxVox section on your forum or this forum or preferably both. You see I still want to read their views, including Potters' views believe it or not. Not you though it would appear.
Why are you so keen to see this forum fail? Ken
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