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Post by lucabrasi on May 29, 2013 14:16:14 GMT
I should also mention that the funds for the big Swindon surfer and the Keep The Faith banner were kind donations from forum users!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 14:28:06 GMT
Brahma - I wouldn't like to put a definite price on it, because I imagine teams like Dortmund have a connection to a supplier for deals when ordering in bulk. I can give representations of banners we've made. The big surfer we used for Swindon at home the first time around ( tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z4lcg6&s=5 ) cost around £800 including material, paint, thread etc. We could probably knock that price down a bit now we have experience of making stuff on such large scale. For instance the Keep The Faith banner ( i48.tinypic.com/2q3de2p.jpg ) only cost around £100 pounds and was knocked up pretty quickly. TPL - www.ultrasshop.com/ is a fantastic site for things like custom scarves. We looked into getting scarves to sell... to try and spread interest in us. As of yet though we couldn't get together enough funds to buy them in the first instance. The site is based somewhere in Europe, but they are reliable as we have ordered things such as stickers from them. Thanks - I had a look at this site but I googled them and a lot of people were saying the customer service was very bad and it took months for the product to arrive.. but if you have had a good experience I might give them a go.
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Post by lucabrasi on May 29, 2013 15:07:16 GMT
Really? We've had two deliveries from them in the last two months and both have been within the two-week guarantee that they give. Out of interest, if we were to order some scarves, and sell them for slight profit, on the basis that the money was re-invested in flags and banners, how many people would buy one, if they were say £8-£10?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 15:43:15 GMT
Really? We've had two deliveries from them in the last two months and both have been within the two-week guarantee that they give. Out of interest, if we were to order some scarves, and sell them for slight profit, on the basis that the money was re-invested in flags and banners, how many people would buy one, if they were say £8-£10? Yeah I would.. but it's custom designs so I guess you would have to either let everyone have their own design or just get a few different styles ordered yourself.
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Post by lucabrasi on May 29, 2013 15:52:41 GMT
I think we would get a few designs and see which was the most popular before ordering. It's something we can look into in the coming few weeks perhaps.
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Post by Si Bradbury on May 29, 2013 16:30:37 GMT
So realistically £500-£700 would get something large and spectaular? The Dortmund one which I assumed is winched up in front of the 'Wall' is printed on some kind of material, mesh style, so people can see through it?
It would be fairly easy to raise that kind of money for this project through forum and a decent local campaign. OxVox have donated small amounts before for the card displays and the hooks but perhaps the time is right to do something to really enhance the matchday experience for all our fans by re-creating a German style experience? (Or at least pre-match).
Having had experience of the 12th Man for the first two years, you get the product and message right and people really do buy into it.
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Post by Si Bradbury on May 29, 2013 16:31:59 GMT
It's about time that the OUFC surfer is fixed into the North Stand on a permanent basis too.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 16:35:51 GMT
I completely agree but at the end of the day none of these things will work very well until we are getting 7,000+ crowds
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Post by John Lennon on May 29, 2013 16:38:05 GMT
Its great to see the enthusiasm for this. I will email Mark and yourself tomorrow BB, and can let you know some of the ideas and plans. This kind of thing is something we want to look into, and will be looking at the cost for the ideas that have come forward.
I agree it's the time to do something big, and that's what we are working on.
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Post by mojofilter on May 29, 2013 17:03:20 GMT
Its great to see the enthusiasm for this. I will email Mark and yourself tomorrow BB, and can let you know some of the ideas and plans. This kind of thing is something we want to look into, and will be looking at the cost for the ideas that have come forward. I agree it's the time to do something big, and that's what we are working on. do tell
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Post by John Lennon on May 29, 2013 17:25:16 GMT
I know you are waiting for an email, but due to a neck problem, I've been unable to send emails to yourself and other fans tonight as planned. I am currently In the waiting room at the chiropractors, but hope to be able to send some emails tomorrow evening.
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Post by mojofilter on May 29, 2013 17:26:57 GMT
Get well
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Post by Lithuanian Disco Power on May 29, 2013 18:57:34 GMT
If people are willing to help fund ultra style displays, there's definitely the will to get involved and do the work.
Similarly like minded people shouldn't have any hesitations in contacting either myself or Lucabrasi or carefreeoufc, usually open to listening to ideas and some more people getting involved would be especially helpful.
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Post by John Lennon on May 29, 2013 19:38:25 GMT
If people are willing to help fund ultra style displays, there's definitely the will to get involved and do the work. Similarly like minded people shouldn't have any hesitations in contacting either myself or Lucabrasi or carefreeoufc, usually open to listening to ideas and some more people getting involved would be especially helpful. Hopefully that can happen over the summer. It's important fans realise the work you do and they can feel like they can be involved
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Post by Lithuanian Disco Power on May 29, 2013 21:39:55 GMT
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Post by lucabrasi on May 29, 2013 21:43:43 GMT
So realistically £500-£700 would get something large and spectaular? The Dortmund one which I assumed is winched up in front of the 'Wall' is printed on some kind of material, mesh style, so people can see through it? It would be fairly easy to raise that kind of money for this project through forum and a decent local campaign. OxVox have donated small amounts before for the card displays and the hooks but perhaps the time is right to do something to really enhance the matchday experience for all our fans by re-creating a German style experience? (Or at least pre-match). Having had experience of the 12th Man for the first two years, you get the product and message right and people really do buy into it. I imagine it was done on some form of polyester, at first I thought it would have been painted but on closer inspection it may have been printed. In my opinion if we were to do something large scale and inclusive of the whole fan base a tifo involving loads of small waver flags would be best; linkIf you want really spectacular you could combine it with other things, perhaps a pulley at the back like we have done before. Mind you now I'm just letting my imagination run wild. The Swindon surfer was impressive, but if you want to go spectacular I would imagine £700 - 900. I guess it depends on how many people would be incorporated into it. Do you and TPL want to send me a PM with some contact details, perhaps Facebook, so we could maybe have a more in depth chat about it?
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Post by Lithuanian Disco Power on May 29, 2013 21:50:13 GMT
May well be worth emailing the club to talk about sectioning off the first few rows for things such as banners during the smaller games, has anyone got a picture of the whole Dortmund end cause would be able to give a much better representation. Would be much more menacing attacking a packed end than a sparsely packed one
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Post by John Lennon on May 30, 2013 7:12:46 GMT
May well be worth emailing the club to talk about sectioning off the first few rows for things such as banners during the smaller games, has anyone got a picture of the whole Dortmund end cause would be able to give a much better representation. Would be much more menacing attacking a packed end than a sparsely packed one Once we have got all the ideas together, we will contact the club and ask about this and other things which would help make things better. Hopefully over the next week or so, things can be discussed and then we can take these ideas forward.
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Post by carpo on May 30, 2013 8:35:23 GMT
Responding late to this i know but still... If your going to play classical-classical/dance music you've got to make sure you have a really good sound system to carry it, otherwise has the tendancy to sounds less epic and more like a funeral march. I do the music for the Stars in the ice hockey, and I've tried to do that and even in an enclosed space as we have, the fact that our sound system was shocking (prior to the upgrade which we recently had), means that it just didn't work. The other thing to factor in is that if your going to play that sort of music, you need equally good bass speakers as you need primary, or it'll just sound awfully tinny. I guess my point is that it can work, but it's really not as simple as hooking up a laptop and playing an mp3 if you want it to work well. these are all decent choices, but I was thinking something a bit more well known and something the crowd could sing along to also maybe something older for all of the coffin-dodgers in the stands who obviously hate anything post 1980
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Post by mojofilter on May 30, 2013 12:30:29 GMT
Responding late to this i know but still... If your going to play classical-classical/dance music you've got to make sure you have a really good sound system to carry it, otherwise has the tendancy to sounds less epic and more like a funeral march. I do the music for the Stars in the ice hockey, and I've tried to do that and even in an enclosed space as we have, the fact that our sound system was shocking (prior to the upgrade which we recently had), means that it just didn't work. The other thing to factor in is that if your going to play that sort of music, you need equally good bass speakers as you need primary, or it'll just sound awfully tinny. I guess my point is that it can work, but it's really not as simple as hooking up a laptop and playing an mp3 if you want it to work well. these are all decent choices, but I was thinking something a bit more well known and something the crowd could sing along to also maybe something older for all of the coffin-dodgers in the stands who obviously hate anything post 1980 And considering No one is likely to shell out for the sort of speakers that would be needed to make music sound decent, We should probably stay off those sort of genres and go for more steady stuff. I was thinking something 60's and 70's and rockerish and (obviously) easy to sing along to.
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Post by rickspangle on May 30, 2013 12:46:33 GMT
I'm still a big fan of Perkele. It's relevant, different to any other club and is a bit punk.
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Post by rollsy on May 30, 2013 12:56:51 GMT
I emailed the club about 3/4 weeks ago, asking weather an idea was possible. I've not heard anything back. It was basically whats been said on this thread about flags. Now we seem to be the only team/club using the stadium next season, could we not leave all the flags up in between matches? As it wont be used in between our matches. A lot of other teams do at there stadiums. It saves the lads having to put the banners up and back down before and after the games. We could have the very back wall full up like it was for Swindon game, for all of them. In our promotion season, the wall just behind the back row, had a bit of wire going along it about a foot above the wall. That was used and was ideal for flags to be hung on. It was covered right along and looked good. Then all of a sudden, after 10 years of it being there, the wire was removed?! I rele like the idea of the front 2 rows being netted off and covered in flags. I think the ultra lads did/do a really good job, especially our promotion season. And thought the Ox Mail stand looked great pre match with all the waving flags too, and ideally they'd all be used at games again. More people should be more encouraged to help them out more, as they don't have many people willing to help them very often (me included!!) Another idea I had was, we have about 3/4 real large flags made by LJS and/or the ultra lads. Could we not use 1 or 2 of them at the top of the 'no mans land' in the North stand. And then let fans tie their flags onto the unused seats there. And again, have them kept there the whole time in between matches. I have 3 banners, that don't get taken to any games. But i'd quite happily have them up in the stadium, and left up there all season. And not having to bring them to each game to put up etc Not only will it add more colour, it hides 1,000+ empty blue seats. Will look better on the highlights. And will surely be better for our players walking out the tunnel facing towards that instead of an empty stand! It looked great at Exeter away in the play offs with all the flags on that back netting. Them seats wont be used for any matches again this coming season, so they wont be in the way. Portsmouth are potentially the only team who could bring an away following that will need their netting moved. So if we don't cover any seats in the block closest to the away fans, it wont be an issue all season. I know the ultra lads have hundreds of flags and LJS made loads more, plus other fans flags made elsewhere, so we def have enough flags to cover the stadium with more colour.
Oh and with the music, i'd like us to play a 5-10 min mix of parts of songs, which include perkele, yellow submarine and upbeat songs just as the players are waiting to come out, and walk out too. Then as the players do the hand shaking and run towards us, have the whole perkele song or a dance tune on loud to get fans going. But easier said than done, if the speakers are crap!
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Post by lucabrasi on May 30, 2013 13:29:53 GMT
Rollsy the trouble with having flags hung permanently is they get sun faded. While it may not seem a huge problem, having seen some of the flags at Aldershot which get left up all season, they start to get pretty miserable looking. Also from going up the back quite a lot it's damp as anything, and there's birds shitting everywhere. By the end of the season we had been in conversation with the stewards and cleaners about leaving them up between Saturday - Tuesday matches, which was helpful. Having two-three rows netted off and the front of the OM stand would be very helpful as it would encourage the people who used to put their flags on the back wire (taken down due to H&S) to bring them along and put them at the front instead.
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Post by Lithuanian Disco Power on May 30, 2013 16:23:46 GMT
Yeah the front rows netted off would potentially be much more feasible? Also more likely to be seen as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 16:25:30 GMT
Are there not season ticket holders on the front 2 rows? Also a few people use the front to take youngsters to the games. Also the disabled use them along with their helpers.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 16:36:33 GMT
Are there not season ticket holders on the front 2 rows? Probably, but I'm sure a polite letter to the holders there, citing the intentions of the fans and the gratitude they would show for moving their tickets might persuade them to move.
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Post by songbird on Jun 3, 2013 16:53:52 GMT
There's going to be me and a few mates sitting in the North Stand next year.
If ever you want us to put up banners and the ox surfer in the middle seats then we'd be more than happy to do that before games.
Some good suggestions coming out here, would be good to see a lot of them happening!
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Post by John Lennon on Jun 3, 2013 17:23:57 GMT
There's going to be me and a few mates sitting in the North Stand next year. If ever you want us to put up banners and the ox surfer in the middle seats then we'd be more than happy to do that before games. Some good suggestions coming out here, would be good to see a lot of them happening! That is a decent offer and it may be something that could really help. The lads that put stuff up before matches often don't get much help. We can certainly do a lot more if more fans can help out on match days.
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Post by hburton28 on Jun 3, 2013 19:55:16 GMT
I like the idea of the big surfers being put in the north stand when not in use. For the rest of the flags they would look good at the bottom of the oxford mail stand as said before. If that wasn't possible I would suggest a gate being installed into the back wall so that more people could put their flags up at the very back of the stand where a few large flags are currently put up.
The ultras have been fantastic but as they've said they're struggling a little. They need as much help as they can so it would be great to see as many people as possible get involved in helping them improve the atmosphere home and away!
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Post by onlyoneunited on Jun 8, 2013 14:09:40 GMT
Just spotted this, should be of particular interest to all of us and specifically JL if he's planning on starting something 'official'. It's quite interesting to see that much of what they're doing here is stuff we've already called for i.e. the designation of a specific block for singers: www.the1881.com/
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