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Post by londonroader on Jan 24, 2011 14:28:25 GMT
Can actually head a ball properly.
I can only think of one Worley. Wright, Beano, Midson can just about head a ball but it's not any of their strongest assets.
We lack height and heading power in the team, that's why we are so susceptible from free kicks and corners.
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Post by Beav on Jan 24, 2011 15:01:44 GMT
Asa Hall and Ben Purkiss
Craddock goal v Port Vale
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 24, 2011 15:14:45 GMT
Can actually head a ball properly. I can only think of one Worley. Wright, Beano, Midson can just about head a ball but it's not any of their strongest assets. We lack height and heading power in the team, that's why we are so susceptible from free kicks and corners. Sangare has to come in then. Though he did get beaten to a header not so long ago... I think some of the blame for this weakness must be placed on the coach. There are very few players who simply cannot head the ball and height (or lack thereof) is not necessrily an excuse. Tim Chaill for example is a tiny player but is one of the best headers of the ball there is.
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Post by bornyellow on Jan 24, 2011 15:14:57 GMT
Asa Hall and Ben Purkiss Craddock goal v Port Vale Craddock can definitely finish with his head, I wouldn't say he is an Ariel threat though, too small and can easily get beaten in the air by taller defenders. Give him space though and he can be lethal.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 24, 2011 15:19:19 GMT
Asa Hall and Ben Purkiss Craddock goal v Port Vale Craddock can definitely finish with his head, I wouldn't say he is an Ariel threat though, too small and can easily get beaten in the air by taller defenders. Give him space though and he can be lethal. Sorry but... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bornyellow on Jan 24, 2011 15:23:07 GMT
Craddock can definitely finish with his head, I wouldn't say he is an Ariel threat though, too small and can easily get beaten in the air by taller defenders. Give him space though and he can be lethal. Sorry but... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh dear
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 24, 2011 18:12:04 GMT
Clarke headed the ball pretty well against Southend In all seriousness, Heslop and Worley are the only two I can think of that are consistent headers of the ball. Kinniburgh and Purkiss are both good headers but haven't always shown it, and Beano, Hall and Midson are also capable of a decent header or two. Craddock can, as can Maclean, but only in space. Wright was good in the air last season, but for some reason he's been no more than average this season. I imagine Sangare's a decent header too. Look at any other team and you'll see a back four of consistent headers and at least 2 midfielders. This needs to be worked on, at the risk of sounding overly negative, but this is probably our one consistent problem.
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Post by moobs on Jan 24, 2011 18:38:17 GMT
Creighton
Oh, sorry we sold him....
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Post by dabigfella on Jan 24, 2011 19:02:58 GMT
Looking at the replays it looked more of a team problem than a lack of ability in the air. The defence completey lost track of their man for both goals.
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Post by windows on Jan 24, 2011 20:05:59 GMT
The goal keeper should be more assertive. Good shot stopper.Flapper in the air.A lot of goals conceded from set pieces he should call and claim, usually falls over after the ball hits the back of the net,
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Post by windows on Jan 24, 2011 20:09:06 GMT
Bring back futcher.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 24, 2011 20:12:19 GMT
Sorry windows, I'm gonna have to argue with you again here Flapper in the air is very unfair given the number of times he charges out to punch the ball away from set pieces. He can't come out to claim every one, no keeper does that. He's had one or two issues with decision making and handling, but the simple fact is our defence is shocking from set pieces. That's the reason we're conceding, not the fact that Clarke doesn't come out every time, because no keeper does. And why is the point about him falling over relevant? I'm assuming the point about futcher is sarcastic, as well.
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Post by windows on Jan 24, 2011 20:22:51 GMT
Pont taken, the defence is poor maybe the keeper needs to be more vocal, give them confidence. I dread the opposition having a set piece against us , maybe we should play five across the back
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 24, 2011 20:26:06 GMT
I have noticed Clarke only seems to shout after they score goals or come really close to scoring. Turley always used to be bossing them around, maybe Clarke should take a leaf from his book.
The set pieces problem is really worrying, we have a decent enough defence in terms of talent, so why oh why can't we get it sorted? It surely should be simple to address in the training ground, so maybe it is a case of telling Andy Melville to get on it.
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Post by moobs on Jan 24, 2011 20:27:25 GMT
Do you reckon the Northampton manager watched us play then worked on set pieces to play on our vulnerability?
Every manager will now deploy these tactics against us
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Post by londonroader on Jan 24, 2011 20:37:57 GMT
I have noticed Clarke only seems to shout after they score goals or come really close to scoring. Turley always used to be bossing them around, maybe Clarke should take a leaf from his book. The set pieces problem is really worrying, we have a decent enough defence in terms of talent, so why oh why can't we get it sorted? It surely should be simple to address in the training ground, so maybe it is a case of telling Andy Melville to get on it. He is acutely aware of these problems, sorting them out is a different matter. Our defence now seems the only problem, we are creating and scoring goals most games, but if you start by dropping our midfield back onto the back 4 as CW did last season, that will then stifle our attacking play and revert back to hoofball as there will be no midfield to pass it through.
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Post by windows on Jan 24, 2011 21:18:16 GMT
If that gives us a few clean sheets then do it we will not win all of our games playing pretty football, as Man United Fans Sing.We are playing ~~~~~ and top of the league.
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Post by gavinarchery65 on Jan 24, 2011 21:24:45 GMT
If we played football on the ground, heading the ball wouldn't be an issue.
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Post by windows on Jan 24, 2011 21:27:33 GMT
The issue is not us playing the ball on the grund but defending a high ball when we need to
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Post by gavinarchery65 on Jan 24, 2011 21:30:19 GMT
Hoof it up field?
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 24, 2011 21:52:14 GMT
We don't have anyone who is really good at heading the ball from crosses (attacking or defending) at least not if they are being challenged, and that includes Worley.
It's the reason we concede so many from headers, and also the reason we hardly ever score from crosses. When was the last time one of our centre backs scored with header (or any other way come to that).
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 24, 2011 21:54:39 GMT
If we played football on the ground, heading the ball wouldn't be an issue. Yes, if only those nasty opposition players would stop crossing the ball into our penalty area.
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Post by whatever on Jan 24, 2011 22:01:30 GMT
Testing 12 12
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Post by oufcrealist on Jan 25, 2011 10:15:05 GMT
Well, good as a player Jake Wright is, he is too short to be a complete CB in the modern game. Worley can't deal with all the headers himself. McLaren drops back for goal kicks etc but can't be there all the time! Creighton was the best we had....................but he's gone!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 11:23:40 GMT
But Creighton would have just replaced Worley and the situation would be exactly the same.
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Post by oufcrealist on Jan 25, 2011 13:16:37 GMT
But Creighton would have just replaced Worley and the situation would be exactly the same. Yes precisely. So how do we solve it as the problem obviously exists?
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Post by bazaldinho on Jan 27, 2011 14:27:33 GMT
Pont taken, the defence is poor maybe the keeper needs to be more vocal, give them confidence. I dread the opposition having a set piece against us , maybe we should play five across the back that point has absolutely no relevance. formation has no effect on defending set pieces whatsoever. clarkey is vocal enough, as much as u tell each player to stick with their man they have to do it themselves. its schoolboy stuff yet we cant seem to do it at the moment.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 27, 2011 14:34:16 GMT
Do we need 2 players on the posts?
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 27, 2011 16:28:46 GMT
Do we need 2 players on the posts? Yes. If they're taken away, we'll quickly realise just how vital they are. They won't be though, thank god.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Jan 27, 2011 22:04:40 GMT
Hall is OK in the air.
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