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Post by moobs on Feb 9, 2011 21:20:57 GMT
Not many clues, Ashley Young played well, Glenn Johnson okay, Bent Scored, Wilshire class.
Denmark weren't much cop but a win's a win
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Post by Beav on Feb 9, 2011 21:24:25 GMT
Agree with what you said. Johnson deserves more than an okay.
Very good (especially for his standards)
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 9, 2011 21:26:02 GMT
Johnson has improved 20% just by getting rid of his stupid hair!
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 9, 2011 21:33:56 GMT
Johnson has improved 20% just by getting rid of his stupid hair! I dont rate Johnson at all. I think he has got worse over the years, rather than better. But he did play well tonight
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Post by junior1 on Feb 9, 2011 21:38:35 GMT
Johnson got skinned first half, IMO at best 6.. Hart was good, Wilshire used the ball well, bent and theo impressed Subs. Parker impressed, as did young... The rest of it was average 6-7 outta 10 but a wins a win...
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Post by grb on Feb 9, 2011 21:47:02 GMT
Johnson was average, no more than that.
England knocked the ball around quite nicely at times, mainly in the second half but the game had very much a friendly feel to it so it's hard to take much from the performance.
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Post by oxyellow on Feb 9, 2011 21:48:41 GMT
Thought it was a decent performance, and like what's been said already, a win is a win.
Wasn't that impressed with Johnson, Bale will tear him to shreads next month. Thought the Villa players did well, Ashley Young looked good and took his goal well. Jack Wilshere was excellent and proved even more what a top class player he is and will get even better.
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Post by moobs on Feb 9, 2011 22:35:18 GMT
I think we're fortunate a few good players like Wilshere and Walcott have been nurtured the Arsenal way and have excellent passing skills and ball control
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Post by junior1 on Feb 9, 2011 22:39:19 GMT
I think we're fortunate a few good players like Wilshere and Walcott have been nurtured the Arsenal way and have excellent passing skills and ball control Wilshire maybe. Buy Walcott? Excellent passing and control? If he had them he'd be one of the best in the world!
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Post by Boilerplate on Feb 9, 2011 22:48:11 GMT
can't say any of them really looked world class, imho.
Still much work needed.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 9, 2011 22:54:20 GMT
I think we're fortunate a few good players like Wilshere and Walcott have been nurtured the Arsenal way and have excellent passing skills and ball control So boring. I think we're lucky that Man City have nurtured the best keeper we've had for years. I think we're lucky that Man U have nurtured Rooney in to a top player. I think we're lucky that Villa have nurtured two good wingers in Milner and Young. all teams aim to improve players, not just Arsenal. In fact if Arsenal nurtured and played a few more English lads we might have a really good team ay??
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Post by moobs on Feb 9, 2011 23:03:23 GMT
I think we're fortunate a few good players like Wilshere and Walcott have been nurtured the Arsenal way and have excellent passing skills and ball control So boring. I think we're lucky that Man City have nurtured the best keeper we've had for years. I think we're lucky that Man U have nurtured Rooney in to a top player. I think we're lucky that Villa have nurtured two good wingers in Milner and Young. all teams aim to improve players, not just Arsenal. In fact if Arsenal nurtured and played a few more English lads we might have a really good team ay?? Missed the point there I feel. Wilshere has great vision and passing, looks almost as good as Cesc. The other English players aren't as comfortable on the ball and that's from being at Arsenal
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 9, 2011 23:08:43 GMT
So boring. I think we're lucky that Man City have nurtured the best keeper we've had for years. I think we're lucky that Man U have nurtured Rooney in to a top player. I think we're lucky that Villa have nurtured two good wingers in Milner and Young. all teams aim to improve players, not just Arsenal. In fact if Arsenal nurtured and played a few more English lads we might have a really good team ay?? Missed the point there I feel. Wilshere has great vision and passing, looks almost as good as Cesc. The other English players aren't as comfortable on the ball and that's from being at Arsenal Wilshere was the only one to look comfortable on the ball. Walcott still doesn't. So is it because he plays at Arsenal or is he just a freak talent.
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Post by KLYellow on Feb 10, 2011 0:55:05 GMT
Everyone was raving about Denmarks young player Erikson? Believe he plays for Ajax?
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Post by Beav on Feb 10, 2011 0:58:28 GMT
He was Wilshere's standards if not better.
He'll move to Madrid or Barca - got that sort of calibre.
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Post by alessandro on Feb 10, 2011 10:27:05 GMT
I watched twenty minutes and thought about how Spain may have played that game.
Too often the ball was happily strung forward, and then stopped, passed around at the back to make us feel like we can pass the ball, then a hopeful ball slotted forward and possession lost. Too often the players were too far away from the man with the ball, and the energy levels were misdirected. They should be moving towards and around the players with the ball, not pegging it as fast as they can into a piece of space in the distance.
We have much to learn.
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Post by moobs on Feb 10, 2011 10:52:02 GMT
I watched twenty minutes and thought about how Spain may have played that game. Too often the ball was happily strung forward, and then stopped, passed around at the back to make us feel like we can pass the ball, then a hopeful ball slotted forward and possession lost. Too often the players were too far away from the man with the ball, and the energy levels were misdirected. They should be moving towards and around the players with the ball, not pegging it as fast as they can into a piece of space in the distance. We have much to learn. Cappello's job is to address that, that's the whole point of having a foreign coach. He's a failure
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 11:13:27 GMT
We can forget about wondering what Spain would have done.
We need to take things one step at a time and building the midfield around Wilshere is a good start.
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Post by moobs on Feb 10, 2011 11:32:47 GMT
We can forget about wondering what Spain would have done. We need to take things one step at a time and building the midfield around Wilshere is a good start. Same old story though, we always rave and pin our hopes on one player, used to be Beckham, then Rooney, now Wilshere. Sad indictment of out national team. Spain could put out a reserve team that would spank England
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 11:53:14 GMT
True, but Rooney is still around as well and there are other good prospects - Rodwell, Adam Johnson, McEachran. I don't think things are that bad as long as we get a coach who can build a team with those youngsters.
Of course Spains reserves would spank England, but the current Spanish side is up there amongst the best international sides of all time. We shouldn't be comparing ourselves to them - we should concentrate on getting as good as Holland, Germany, Portugal, Italy, France....
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Post by Millman on Feb 10, 2011 13:15:54 GMT
Still tooo many square pegs round holes, overated players, and those clearly not up to it.
The positives:
Hart - Good keeper. Terry - Still good defender not quite what he once was though needs a decent partner. Cahill - Promising need to see more of him. could be the answer to the partner for Terry. Parker - Looks good in the holding role. Wiltshire - Good prospect needs to be playing with a holding midfielder to maximise his creativity. Milner - Looks good but not a left winger. Cutting back all of the time will not work against a decent side. England still struggles to find a left winger. Bent - Good finisher (not top class but good enough). Young - Works well in the hole links up with Bent well.
The bad: Johnson - Only any use going forward. Often still a liability in defence. Cole - Same as Johnson. Having both on the pitch is a luxury England can't afford against a half decent side. Dawson - Just not good enough. Lampard - Past it and useless. Barry - Never very good not international class. Walcott - Excellent player when played down the middle, he just not a winger (he is wasted out there). Rooney - Utterly pointless as a striker. Plays too deep forcing the midfield out of shape. Isn't where he needs to be to score and one chance he got he fluffed. He may be a good player but he doesn't fit in the team. Drop him.
Cappello is a greedy joke who should have been sacked months ago. As soon as the old guard players are fit they will return forcing out the young talent. He is building nothing.
England were lucky to beat a poor Danish team, they will not win anything with the team that played last night. But more importantly now does anyone actually still care?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 14:00:51 GMT
Some good points but some ridiculous
Cole rarely puts a foot wrong and is its the one position where we can claim to have one of the worlds best
Rooney still needs to be in there. We need to make the team fit him.
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Post by moobs on Feb 10, 2011 14:57:16 GMT
Some good points but some ridiculous Cole rarely puts a foot wrong and is its the one position where we can claim to have one of the worlds best Rooney still needs to be in there. We need to make the team fit him.This is one of the problems England have suffered from. Shoehorning players into a team because they're supposedly top class which disrupts the balance of the team. You should think of the team first and what players compliment the system Millman is right about Rooney, he's a liability. Just huffs and puffs and gives us nothing expect the odd decent pass. Get rid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 15:22:49 GMT
This is one of the problems England have suffered from. Shoehorning players into a team because they're supposedly top class which disrupts the balance of the team. You should think of the team first and what players compliment the system Millman is right about Rooney, he's a liability. Just huffs and puffs and gives us nothing expect the odd decent pass. Get rid. Fair enough, I'll take that back. I totally agree, we need a system first and should fit players into that. But I think Rooney can fit into that system somewhere.
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Post by oxfordyid on Feb 10, 2011 15:24:58 GMT
Still tooo many square pegs round holes, overated players, and those clearly not up to it. The positives: Hart - Good keeper. Terry - Still good defender not quite what he once was though needs a decent partner. Cahill - Promising need to see more of him. could be the answer to the partner for Terry. Parker - Looks good in the holding role. Wiltshire - Good prospect needs to be playing with a holding midfielder to maximise his creativity. Milner - Looks good but not a left winger. Cutting back all of the time will not work against a decent side. England still struggles to find a left winger. Bent - Good finisher (not top class but good enough). Young - Works well in the hole links up with Bent well. The bad: Johnson - Only any use going forward. Often still a liability in defence. Cole - Same as Johnson. Having both on the pitch is a luxury England can't afford against a half decent side. Dawson - Just not good enough. Lampard - Past it and useless. Barry - Never very good not international class. Walcott - Excellent player when played down the middle, he just not a winger (he is wasted out there). Rooney - Utterly pointless as a striker. Plays too deep forcing the midfield out of shape. Isn't where he needs to be to score and one chance he got he fluffed. He may be a good player but he doesn't fit in the team. Drop him. Cappello is a greedy joke who should have been sacked months ago. As soon as the old guard players are fit they will return forcing out the young talent. He is building nothing. England were lucky to beat a poor Danish team, they will not win anything with the team that played last night. But more importantly now does anyone actually still care? Yes. If you don't, don't bother commenting and watching, simples. I don't see how you can put Cole, Rooney and Walcott into the negatives.. Walcott looks a threat every time he gets the ball, his pace scares the shit out of defenders.. Rooney is world class, ok maybe not on top of his game atm but he can change a game.. And Cole is the best left back in the world. You put in Adam Johnson to the side instead of Milner IMO then it's looking a decent team, possibly with a new holding midfielder in there to pull the strings.. But Rodwell looks a class act and will come into that roll. I personally don't rate Johnson, n but he's the best option atm until one of Walker or Richards mature into an international standard player.. And I've only heard rave reviews from the lad Walker which sounds positive I thought the performance was really positive, the lads coming off the bench such as Parket, Cahil and Young looked like the fitted in well. Just take it as it was, a win in a friendly with a decent performance.. Which we now need to build on
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Post by Long John Silver on Feb 10, 2011 15:33:58 GMT
Agree with what you said. Johnson deserves more than an okay. Very good (especially for his standards) Johnson was crap defensively. Gave the ball away very easily three times in the first 20 minutes and a better team than Denmark would have punished us each time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 15:36:47 GMT
Rooney is world class, ok maybe not on top of his game atm but he can change a game.. And Cole is the best left back in the world. Rooney is a very good player and Ashley Cole is one of the best left backs in the world.
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Post by hairy on Feb 10, 2011 16:06:52 GMT
Name a better left back than Ashley Cole then?
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Post by moobs on Feb 10, 2011 16:47:37 GMT
Rooney is NOT World class.
Never has been and never will be
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Post by Beav on Feb 10, 2011 16:54:26 GMT
Last year he was *probably the best striker in the world. Unless there were no world class strikers in the run up to the world cup?
*I cannot think of any who were better (Ron and Mess I'd count as wingers)
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