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Post by uptheus on Nov 4, 2017 10:35:45 GMT
Oh well, at least we've got Henry and Ruffels. Where was Nelson tonight?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 4, 2017 10:41:41 GMT
Where was Nelson tonight? Not getting cup-tied. And does anyone really think Williamson was injured? Or was Pep sparing his feelings? The substitutions were really, really poor.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 4, 2017 10:43:53 GMT
Where was Nelson tonight? Not getting cup-tied. And does anyone really think Williamson was injured? Or was Pep sparing his feelings? The substitutions were really, really poor. Agree, I suppose he's the final player Darryl can make more money from before he sells up.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 4, 2017 10:46:32 GMT
Pretty clear now that the summer signings were a collective disaster. The players who have carried the side are almost all the remnants of Appletons squad: Nelson, Eastwood, ruffels, ledson, Thomas, hall. Of the 14 who have come in, Ricardinho and Payne have mostly done well, Mousinho and Henry Ok. The other ten have ranged from underwhelming to comically disastrous. From 14 you would expect 5 or 6 real successes, and a couple of mistakes. The profile of these lot is the other way around. Which is a great pity, because the players already here have continued to progress. All that was needed were 3 or 4 signings that really made a difference. We clearly lack pace and the loss of Johnson is making a difference. An army of players making no impact is starting to mirror how Port Vale failed last season. Those 3/4 players of quality could have been brought in if some of the millions made in the summer had been spent. Eales said himself money was available. Sadly now with enough of the season played to analyse performance, and yes the injuries have happened as most feared as well as the indifferent quality. A player like Tendalli for example has spent most of his time injured and performed poorly. Investment in those missing players is needed in January, not necessarily for a promotion push, but following last nights abysmal display, and Saturdays capitulation to Fleetwood, a relegation fight might be on the cards, as exemplified by Port Vale last season.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 4, 2017 10:56:21 GMT
I'm just glad that they're learning, well that's what Ribeiro has said the last two times he was interviewed!
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Nov 4, 2017 10:56:59 GMT
Not getting cup-tied. And does anyone really think Williamson was injured? Or was Pep sparing his feelings? The substitutions were really, really poor. Agree, I suppose he's the final player Darryl can make more money from before he sells up. Maybe you are right I don’t have a clue. However as we know the club wanted to negotiate a new contract with him. Perhaps he has declined this and the club have decided that they will need to sell then I.e this is is not DE trying to make money but rather having no choice. Or maybe he was just rested.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 4, 2017 11:14:24 GMT
Or maybe he was just rested. We haven't played for a week, hopefully he wouldn't be playing on Tuesday, is the captain and is our best defender by a mile. The FA Cup is an important competition for a club in our position - giving us at least the chance to earn a lot of money, not to mention the increased confidence that a decent cup run brings. He may have been rested - but if so that is yet another bad decision on an evening that was full of them.
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Post by victor1986 on Nov 4, 2017 11:15:12 GMT
That's the worst OUFC performance I have seen since the days of Patto. A disgrace from start to finish. Here are five things that simply have to be addressed: 1. Tiandelli was woeful. Yet again. No pace, overweight. Please cancel his contract now. Honestly, he was that bad. 2. Mowatt brings close to zero to the party. Again, no pace, loads of sideways passing. Back to his parent club please. 3. Williamson and Martin are as bad as each other. Both look ok on the ground, but passive players, and neither can dominate a player. Lost out to Tom Pope again and again. 4. Please please please stop all this possession based nonsense. It gets us nowhere. Vale had sussed us. They let us pass the ball around in our own half, and then nicked it off us as soon as we got 20-30 yards out. It was just awful. 5. Wes Thomas? Where do I even start? He wore gloves (it wasn't that cold) and was roughed up for 90 minutes by two centre halves. And how did he react? He threw himself to the ground at nearly every opportunity, whinging endlessly. The only time he showed any aggression was for a ridiculous lunge on one of their defenders. He was lucky not to to be sent off. For those who were lucky enough not to be there, I cannot stress enough how pathetic that performance was. Spot on Malcolm - Tiandelli is rubbish & I thought this the first time I saw him play. Worrying that Pep thinks differently! Our manager is still causing me great concern & I hope our Chairman had a word in his ear after last night's debacle.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 4, 2017 11:51:04 GMT
Rothwell and Hall should both start against Northampton next weekend. We need some pace and directness in the final third and they're the only players we have who can provide that. That's the problem with a dearth, you imagine a twig's a mighty oak. Hall's a lightweight who plays well one in three and Rothwell? The squad's not set up for pace or directness, I haven't a clue what it is set up for, unless Eales is shorting the club's stock prior to a planned relegation.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 4, 2017 12:57:35 GMT
The real key to getting to the next level is owning the stadium. Simple. By "the next level" do you mean the Championship or giving a struggling League 2 side a decent game in the FA Cup? We’re miles away from championship
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 4, 2017 13:06:50 GMT
If the Tiger was thinking of investing I think after the Vale game and the Fleetwood game the may have cleared it f because there was no advertising for investment then we have no chance. Come back Juan and try again please. Our chairman has gone very quiet in the last few months “Daryl who”
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 4, 2017 13:18:25 GMT
Rothwell and Hall should both start against Northampton next weekend. We need some pace and directness in the final third and they're the only players we have who can provide that. That's the problem with a dearth, you imagine a twig's a mighty oak. Hall's a lightweight who plays well one in three and Rothwell? The squad's not set up for pace or directness, I haven't a clue what it is set up for, unless Eales is shorting the club's stock prior to a planned relegation. Im not saying they're world beaters, but they're the only players we have with any remote pace, mobility and ability to carry a ball towards the other goal. And as a result we just have to start them.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 4, 2017 13:19:20 GMT
Rothwell and Hall should both start against Northampton next weekend. We need some pace and directness in the final third and they're the only players we have who can provide that. That's the problem with a dearth, you imagine a twig's a mighty oak. Hall's a lightweight who plays well one in three and Rothwell? The squad's not set up for pace or directness, I haven't a clue what it is set up for, unless Eales is shorting the club's stock prior to a planned relegation. What exactly is a 'planned relegation' ?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 4, 2017 13:22:59 GMT
Good point, probably Should read 'willed', through neglect. Planned is wrong.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 4, 2017 13:24:07 GMT
Good point, probably Should read 'willed', through neglect. Planned is wrong. Haven't heard the accusation of a chairman wanting to relegate us since the Kassam days...
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Post by dubaiyellow on Nov 4, 2017 13:37:38 GMT
Im as disappointed as everyone with the inconsistency and the cup defeats, especially the manner of last night. But, all things considered, I'll be happy if we stay mid table or better for now and then look at what Pep does in the January transfer window in terms of team improvement. Its how we progress that is important to me and you could argue he has inherited a lot of players and was also rushed into trying to find signings in the pre season. Think a few of our flaws have been exposed recently (Physicality, pace and a bit of nounce) so it will be interesting to see who he tries to bring in. Wondering, as someone else mentioned yesterday, whether he might cash in with Nelson to help fund his war chest.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 4, 2017 13:52:37 GMT
Im as disappointed as everyone with the inconsistency and the cup defeats, especially the manner of last night. But, all things considered, I'll be happy if we stay mid table or better for now and then look at what Pep does in the January transfer window in terms of team improvement. Its how we progress that is important to me and you could argue he has inherited a lot of players and was also rushed into trying to find signings in the pre season. Think a few of our flaws have been exposed recently (Physicality, pace and a bit of nounce) so it will be interesting to see who he tries to bring in. Wondering, as someone else mentioned yesterday, whether he might cash in with Nelson to help fund his war chest. But I thought we had some sort of highly regarded recruitment set up? Presumably they (along with Appleton and Eales) would have had a list of players they wanted to go for in the summer. What we actually got was a bit of a rag bag, including quite a few people Pep had worked with before. I think it's pretty clear now that the players Pep inherited (Ledson, Nelson, Eastwood, Hall, Ribeiro, Ruffels, Rothwell etc) are actually the ones that are the talents in the squad. Payne (a loanee) and Ricardinho are probably the only new additions who have had a positive effect. I'm not convinced Eales (if he is still in charge) will loosen the purse strings in January - which is a notoriously difficult window in which to do good business anyway. We sold Johnson and the money wasn't really reinvested, I have little confidence that any fee we got for Nelson would be either.
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Post by plonker on Nov 4, 2017 14:00:39 GMT
I think our transfer business in January will be largely dependant on where we are in the league at the time. If we're firmly placed in the middle of the table, then I don't expect much to happen. Especially if our summer business is viewed as hit-and-miss by Darryl.
We aren't incisive enough up front. Either the team has been instructed to play that way, or we seriously lack any kind of character or bravery to try and make things happen. Obviously as fans we can only guess, but ultimately Pep will shoulder responsibility - it's his team, his tactics etc. However, if they aren't being instructed to play in that manner, then tell them otherwise. He seems really big into analysing performances etc. Look at the stats - you can't score if you don't bloody shoot.
What are the rules re: team selection in the Checkatrade? Are teams free to pick any 11 they choose, or are there silly restrictions like last season?
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Post by concretebob on Nov 4, 2017 14:16:04 GMT
What are the rules re: team selection in the Checkatrade? Are teams free to pick any 11 they choose, or are there silly restrictions like last season? If we decide to put a decent performance in that nonsense trophy after yesterday debacle, I'll be quite frankly livid.
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Post by sarge on Nov 4, 2017 14:28:55 GMT
Those old enough to remember may recall when we,the mighty U's ,did pretty much the same job over Brighton (away)as 'vale did (over us) last night. Big cup upser that was,Keith Cassells got a hat trick i think....Brighton played a possesion based game,Oxford basicallybullied em into defeat.
It wasnt good last night....neither was fleetwood in the league!
Still our homegrown youth team are through to round 2 of the youth fa cup....a small silver lining?
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 4, 2017 14:34:30 GMT
Obviously disappointing result. Despite having so much of the ball. Last few games we seemed to slipped into a very blunt form of play. Midfielders pass sideways and are unable to burst pass their man. Frontman runs well off the shoulder, but can't hold ball up. As such we have lots of possession, seem to be in control of game, but never going to score. On top of that, last night our centre backs were bullied by a big front man who allowed a direct long ball approach to work well against us. For coming keague games we need to reintroduce either Hall or Rothwell to change the dynamics of our midfield 5. Also hoping that Obika plays Tuesday and starts competing for that striking position. UP THE YELLOWS I agree completely as I often do with your posts.. as I think like me, you do actually go and watch some of the games before posting on them.. Its easy for posters to just jump on the Keyboard ( as they are quite entitled to do of course ) and after a defeat post a one liner like "Rubbish" " Total Crap" or worse.. Nobody likes losing of course, but lets all get behind the side. It seems that there's a nucleus of posters that actually look forward to us losing ..... a very strange attitude.
To be blunt after the first 10 minutes last night I knew we were going to struggle as we did against Fleetwood. Its very difficult to play football against such teams as they don't have too much finesse to be honest.
I don't think we played that bad, just weren't allowed to play much at all really. Port Vales lowly league position is pretty much academic, as it is whenever a cup ties is played away.
They sussed us out from the start yesterday very quickly and obviously the PV manager had done his homework too. Payne was stifled, and if he doesn't perform nor do the rest of the midfield. They wound Thomas up like a coiled spring and put him off his game and targeted the big man up front with quick high balls into the box before the full backs or midfielder's had much chance to shut out the cross.
We did try and play the way Pep wants us to play, had the lions share of the ball but in that final third looked very light weight indeed. Thomas could be out there for a week but with no real support was easily dealt with. Midfield was so disappointing though for me just not direct enough, forced sideways on so many occasions and when PV had the ball bypassed completely.
Its not pretty to watch, but it got them the result they deserved. I'm not too disappointed because the players didn't display any lack of effort or commitment,and I knew the tie was potentially a banana skin. If the Players didn't put in the effort then it would be Rubbish, Crap or Worse.
On the night, I don't think Pep set out the side to compete with PV and you might have thought he would have learned from the Fleetwood game but didn't. I think his ability is limited to trying to play Premiership football in the First division. That's great when everyone else plays the passing game but last night it just needed a more direct approach (which we don't have) and someone to put their foot through the ball on occasion.
Hopefully we can play two up front on Tuesday and be a bit more direct, but its up to Pep to sort it out.
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Post by horseman on Nov 4, 2017 14:48:45 GMT
The real concern has to be that being so far off the top 2 and now out of the cup is not going to bring much needed extra fans to the stadium.
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 4, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
Not getting cup-tied. And does anyone really think Williamson was injured? Or was Pep sparing his feelings? The substitutions were really, really poor. Agree, I suppose he's the final player Darryl can make more money from before he sells up. Can help thinking there is more than a grain of truth in the not being cuo-tied thing. Even if Nelson wasn't starting you would want him in the bench. Certainly could have done with him for the second 45 yesterday.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 4, 2017 15:16:03 GMT
The real concern has to be that being so far off the top 2 and now out of the cup is not going to bring much needed extra fans to the stadium. I think the fan base is what we can expect currently for Div 1 footy to be honest. Obviously if we start winning and get into the promotion/playoff places this will increase by 2 or 3 thousand.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 4, 2017 15:23:37 GMT
Agree, I suppose he's the final player Darryl can make more money from before he sells up. Can help thinking there is more than a grain of truth in the not being cuo-tied thing. Even if Nelson wasn't starting you would want him in the bench. Certainly could have done with him for the second 45 yesterday. I don't think its a question of him not getting cup tied to be honest.. I think he was injured in training...we will know on Tuesday..
Teams don't buy players from Div 1 just to play in the FA cup.
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Post by stebbesyellows on Nov 4, 2017 15:24:01 GMT
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Post by bigcrompy on Nov 4, 2017 15:26:03 GMT
Agree, I suppose he's the final player Darryl can make more money from before he sells up. Can help thinking there is more than a grain of truth in the not being cuo-tied thing. Even if Nelson wasn't starting you would want him in the bench. Certainly could have done with him for the second 45 yesterday. Initially I thought it entirely implausible, scare-mongery whinging on the part of the one-eyed Eales-out brigade; as it pre-supposes 1. that had United the temerity to qualify for the 2nd Round, he would have been “rested” again, to more obvious outcry 2. that potential suitors for Nelson would still be in the Cup (4th Round) by the end of the transfer window, otherwise, what was the point? and 3. that it follows that Eales simply pockets the cash from sales anyway. As if it’s that simple. (If Eales wanted to cash in, he would have named his price to Sartori and naffed off, and you won’t convince me otherwise). However; all that said...not having him at least on a bench of seven was most odd and the whole argument IS becoming slightly more convincing to me. Does anyone know if non-playing subs become cup-tied?
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Post by dubaiyellow on Nov 4, 2017 15:33:36 GMT
Im as disappointed as everyone with the inconsistency and the cup defeats, especially the manner of last night. But, all things considered, I'll be happy if we stay mid table or better for now and then look at what Pep does in the January transfer window in terms of team improvement. Its how we progress that is important to me and you could argue he has inherited a lot of players and was also rushed into trying to find signings in the pre season. Think a few of our flaws have been exposed recently (Physicality, pace and a bit of nounce) so it will be interesting to see who he tries to bring in. Wondering, as someone else mentioned yesterday, whether he might cash in with Nelson to help fund his war chest. But I thought we had some sort of highly regarded recruitment set up? Presumably they (along with Appleton and Eales) would have had a list of players they wanted to go for in the summer. What we actually got was a bit of a rag bag, including quite a few people Pep had worked with before. I think it's pretty clear now that the players Pep inherited (Ledson, Nelson, Eastwood, Hall, Ribeiro, Ruffels, Rothwell etc) are actually the ones that are the talents in the squad. Payne (a loanee) and Ricardinho are probably the only new additions who have had a positive effect. I'm not convinced Eales (if he is still in charge) will loosen the purse strings in January - which is a notoriously difficult window in which to do good business anyway. We sold Johnson and the money wasn't really reinvested, I have little confidence that any fee we got for Nelson would be either. I think our head of recruitment left us for Leeds in September. Not sure if he has been or is being replaced.
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 4, 2017 15:40:21 GMT
Can help thinking there is more than a grain of truth in the not being cuo-tied thing. Even if Nelson wasn't starting you would want him in the bench. Certainly could have done with him for the second 45 yesterday. I don't think its a question of him not getting cup tied to be honest.. I think he was injured in training...we will know on Tuesday..
Teams don't buy players from Div 1 just to play in the FA cup.
Pep said rested in his post match interview. No mention of injury. That's not to say he just wants to keep an injury quiet of course.
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Post by stebbesyellows on Nov 4, 2017 15:40:32 GMT
Seems a non-playing sub is not cup-tied. FA Cup Competition Rule 15(g):
'A substitute who does not play in a match is entitled to play for another Club in the Competition in the same season.'
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