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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 23, 2017 8:28:06 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them! Both of my grandfathers fought in World War 2 - don't tell me what is or isn't disrespectful to them. I stood and applauded those servicemen and women and ex-servicemen and women at every other appropriate and necessary interlude on Saturday. The only thing I didn't do was stand for a 60 second piece of music that's written about a woman who couldn't care less about me or those brave people who have faced danger and made huge sacrifices. So I really don't want to hear how I'm being disrespectful to the military, to be completely frank. If you're going to have a cry about it then it says more about you than it does anyone else. It's 2017.
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 23, 2017 8:53:26 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them! Both of my grandfathers fought in World War 2 - don't tell me what is or isn't disrespectful to them. I stood and applauded those servicemen and women and ex-servicemen and women at every other appropriate and necessary interlude on Saturday. The only thing I didn't do was stand for a 60 second piece of music that's written about a woman who couldn't care less about me or those brave people who have faced danger and made huge sacrifices. So I really don't want to hear how I'm being disrespectful to the military, to be completely frank. If you're going to have a cry about it then it says more about you than it does anyone else. It's 2017. Firstly, factually incorrect. Secondly "that woman" also lived through the war as did her parents. They all did what they could to assist, care and motivate a nation. That anthem has been around a lot longer than you and means a lot to a lot of people. Like so much relating to this nation it is more symbolic than personal. If your grandfathers are still alive why not ask them what they think of the anthem?
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Post by cass63 on Oct 23, 2017 8:54:53 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them! Absolute bollox, if you want to sing and stand for someone who gets given 8 million pounds a year for her breeding carry on, out of that she gives prince Edward £140,000 for doing diddly squat. I’ve got nothing but total respect for our armed forces but don’t feel the need to stand and sing for the monarchy.
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Post by scotters on Oct 23, 2017 8:56:42 GMT
I was standing at the bar when it was on.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 23, 2017 9:25:36 GMT
I respect the military and have a lot of admiration for them. I don’t however believe in God, nor am I a fan of the royals so I personally don’t sing the national anthem.
That’s the beauty of this country with the thanks to our forces, we have free speech and get to have our own opinions and make our own decisions.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Oct 23, 2017 9:59:26 GMT
I find it utterly baffling that anyone cares about whether other people stand up for a piece of music or not. Those who wanted to presumably did, those who didn't want to (because they don't believe in god, don't believe in the divine right of kings/queens or just had better things to concentrate on for a minute) presumably didn't, and those of us who didn't want to tacitly signify unquestioning support for the military gave the game a miss altogether.
Ironically, the sort of people most enthusiastic about forcing others to stand for an anthem etc are sometimes the worst sort of snowflakes when they are forced to confront the reality that others disagree with them.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 23, 2017 10:04:42 GMT
I find it utterly baffling that anyone cares about whether other people stand up for a piece of music or not. Those who wanted to presumably did, those who didn't want to (because they don't believe in god, don't believe in the divine right of kings/queens or just had better things to concentrate on for a minute) presumably didn't, and those of us who didn't want to tacitly signify unquestioning support for the military gave the game a miss altogether. Ironically, the sort of people most enthusiastic about forcing others to stand for an anthem etc are sometimes the worst sort of snowflakes when they are forced to confront the reality that others disagree with them. Well said. Stand up = patriotic, don't stand up = enemy of the state. Simplistic nonsense. What respect does it show to our armed forces to sing a song to a queen? Confusion of monarchy, country and armed forces. My father fought in Burma in WW2 and was decorated for it. Was he a monarchist? No. Did he believe in the pageantry around the royal family, including a song with daft, irrelevant lyrics? No. Did he have absolute respect for our armed forces? Yes, of course.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Oct 23, 2017 10:06:38 GMT
Happy to stand up if we change the words to include “hate Sw****n”
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 23, 2017 11:09:35 GMT
Feels natural to me to stand up for the anthem. Others may have other views.
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Post by arthurturner on Oct 23, 2017 11:27:59 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them! Absolute bollox, if you want to sing and stand for someone who gets given 8 million pounds a year for her breeding carry on, out of that she gives prince Edward £140,000 for doing diddly squat. I’ve got nothing but total respect for our armed forces but don’t feel the need to stand and sing for the monarchy. The beauty of the monarchy is that all the power resides in the monarch but he/she is not able to exercise it. That is the prerogative of the elected executive. Would you prefer to have a republic with a President? Many of them are corrupt and if you think that it would cost any less then you're in cloud cookoo land. All nations have a national anthem, monarchies and republics. You stand for them as a respect for your nation not any individual and if you are not proud of being British and everything Britain stands for then by all means stay seated and think about going to live somewhere you'd be more comfortable with. Having said that, I fail to understand why it was thought necessary to play the National Anthem at the game on Saturday just because it was military day. It just didn't seem appropriate.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 23, 2017 11:40:42 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them! Both of my grandfathers fought in World War 2 - don't tell me what is or isn't disrespectful to them. I stood and applauded those servicemen and women and ex-servicemen and women at every other appropriate and necessary interlude on Saturday. The only thing I didn't do was stand for a 60 second piece of music that's written about a woman who couldn't care less about me or those brave people who have faced danger and made huge sacrifices. So I really don't want to hear how I'm being disrespectful to the military, to be completely frank. If you're going to have a cry about it then it says more about you than it does anyone else. It's 2017. I have visited my grandfather's grave in Flanders where he fell in WW1. I like nearly everyone else in this country have historic links to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice so little snowflakes like you can disrespect our British national anthem and our fantastic armed forces no matter how you dress it up!
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 23, 2017 11:45:46 GMT
Surely the term snowflake was created for people who get easily offended over pointless stuff...
As you seem to be doing
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 23, 2017 12:05:09 GMT
Surely the term snowflake was created for people who get easily offended over pointless stuff... As you seem to be doing My Queen and armed forces are not pointless to me I am proud to say..
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 23, 2017 12:22:29 GMT
I find it utterly baffling that anyone cares about whether other people stand up for a piece of music or not. Those who wanted to presumably did, those who didn't want to (because they don't believe in god, don't believe in the divine right of kings/queens or just had better things to concentrate on for a minute) presumably didn't, and those of us who didn't want to tacitly signify unquestioning support for the military gave the game a miss altogether. Ironically, the sort of people most enthusiastic about forcing others to stand for an anthem etc are sometimes the worst sort of snowflakes when they are forced to confront the reality that others disagree with them. Well said. Stand up = patriotic, don't stand up = enemy of the state. Simplistic nonsense. What respect does it show to our armed forces to sing a song to a queen? Confusion of monarchy, country and armed forces. My father fought in Burma in WW2 and was decorated for it. Was he a monarchist? No. Did he believe in the pageantry around the royal family, including a song with daft, irrelevant lyrics? No. Did he have absolute respect for our armed forces? Yes, of course. "Confusion of monarchy, country and armed forces" Sure is,that will be the armed forces that swear allegiance to the Queen,so consequently,if you stand for the military you are supporting the Queen,if you sit for GSTQ you are disrespecting HER armed forces. I have no problem with people not singing GSTQ,i have no problem with people not standing. I DO have a problem with people from other and especially this country booing it. I am pro monarchy,but not really that interested tbh,never met them(although i was once in a lift with the Queen Mum at Chepstow races) but the financial argument doesn't really stand up,as what London makes in tourism from people visiting Buck house,Windsor castle,Tower of London etc,dwarfs what the get in allowances. As a lifelong Rangers fan,i have stood at Ibrox on armed forces day,with 51,000 people singing GSTQ and it literally makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. I have also been there with 8,000 of her subjects booing the national anthem,then singing a song rejoicing in the blowing up of Lord Mountbatten. Its all irrelevant,with the way the yoof of today are leaning,we will soon have Corbyn as commissar of the Republic of Knowhere land,the monarchy will be abolished,the Red flag will be the national anthem and we will celebrate Stalin,Lenin and Trotsky while forgetting that they actually had more power,more money and killed more people than the Tsars ever did. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 23, 2017 12:31:28 GMT
Colin Kaepernick has a lot to answer for. 2 years ago, no one gave much of a toss either way and both sides are getting their knickers in a knot about it. It's turned into a cause du jour for a few months until there is another moral outrage about toilets or clothes instead.
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Post by sihath on Oct 23, 2017 13:20:46 GMT
Well said. Stand up = patriotic, don't stand up = enemy of the state. Simplistic nonsense. What respect does it show to our armed forces to sing a song to a queen? Confusion of monarchy, country and armed forces. My father fought in Burma in WW2 and was decorated for it. Was he a monarchist? No. Did he believe in the pageantry around the royal family, including a song with daft, irrelevant lyrics? No. Did he have absolute respect for our armed forces? Yes, of course. "Confusion of monarchy, country and armed forces" Sure is,that will be the armed forces that swear allegiance to the Queen,so consequently,if you stand for the military you are supporting the Queen,if you sit for GSTQ you are disrespecting HER armed forces. I have no problem with people not singing GSTQ,i have no problem with people not standing. I DO have a problem with people from other and especially this country booing it. I am pro monarchy,but not really that interested tbh,never met them(although i was once in a lift with the Queen Mum at Chepstow races) but the financial argument doesn't really stand up,as what London makes in tourism from people visiting Buck house,Windsor castle,Tower of London etc,dwarfs what the get in allowances. As a lifelong Rangers fan,i have stood at Ibrox on armed forces day,with 51,000 people singing GSTQ and it literally makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. I have also been there with 8,000 of her subjects booing the national anthem,then singing a song rejoicing in the blowing up of Lord Mountbatten. Its all irrelevant,with the way the yoof of today are leaning,we will soon have Corbyn as commissar of the Republic of Knowhere land,the monarchy will be abolished,the Red flag will be the national anthem and we will celebrate Stalin,Lenin and Trotsky while forgetting that they actually had more power,more money and killed more people than the Tsars ever did. Be careful what you wish for. It's an interesting topic, especially after Trump has confronted the 'take a knee campaign' and made it out to be unpatriotic. Many of our armed forces veterans are living rough, with mental health issues, relying on charity to support them, rather than Her Majesty's Government taking proper care of them. Lack of equipment has been blamed for costing the lives of those serving in the armed forces. That to me is much more unpatriotic/disrepectful ofthe armed forces than not standing for GSTQ. If we fought tyranny in wars to preserve freedoms in this country then those freedoms include the right to sit and not sing the national anthem, otherwise we're just imposing a different kind of tyranny on people. Those points aren't aimed at anyone in particular, just replied to this part of the thread kind of randomly.
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Post by whingit on Oct 23, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
Annoying snowflakes is always good fun, I might have to stay sitting down in future.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 23, 2017 13:27:42 GMT
Annoying snowflakes is always good fun, I might have to stay sitting down in future. Right behind your keyboard...
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Post by whingit on Oct 23, 2017 13:35:34 GMT
Annoying snowflakes is always good fun, I might have to stay sitting down in future. Right behind your keyboard... I'm on my phone.
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Post by oxfordgobrach on Oct 23, 2017 14:04:21 GMT
Can we move this out of the players section though? Not sure why it's here. I'd rather read about Oxford players than unnecessary political disputes about 30 seconds of singing before a game.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 23, 2017 14:13:58 GMT
Would those who sat down answer this:
You are visiting Germany, Iran, China or America and a friend or colleague takes you to watch the national football team of the host country.
The whole stadium stands and sings their anthem.
Would you stand or remain seated?
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Post by unification on Oct 23, 2017 14:36:09 GMT
Maybe I’m a namby-pamby fence sitter but I can’t understand either view on here.
For those who chose to sit, it does appear it sounds like a deliberate act to wind some people up. I think I would have stood just to see what’s going on rather than view my standing as some justification for QE2 to sit on her throne in Bucky P. I’m atheist too so the whole God nonsense is laughable to me as well, but it’s still not a tune I’d go out of my way not to stand up for.
For those getting their Flag of St George knickers in a twist, why get so bothered by it? Why is ‘disrespect’ by the act of sitting down so offensive?
The military do appear to be exempt from criticism at times. Yep, I appreciate they do a tricky and dangerous job and many display bravery far beyond my capabilities, but it’s a job they choose to do. They know what they’re signing up for and will be chosen for their role based on performance. The everyday folks who signed up for WW1 and WW2 are the ones I believe are truly heroes of this country. Ordinary working people turned into soldiers in such a short space of time and then thrown into alien countries and landscapes whilst displaying heroic acts of bravery when warfare turned from horses and broadswords to guns and explosives. They deserve their medals and applause.
Sure, the British miliary should be celebrated, but so should our emergency services who put themselves on the frontline by choice every day. Could we have a day celebrating them as well?
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 23, 2017 16:39:07 GMT
Maybe I’m a namby-pamby fence sitter but I can’t understand either view on here. For those who chose to sit, it does appear it sounds like a deliberate act to wind some people up. I think I would have stood just to see what’s going on rather than view my standing as some justification for QE2 to sit on her throne in Bucky P. I’m atheist too so the whole God nonsense is laughable to me as well, but it’s still not a tune I’d go out of my way not to stand up for. For those getting their Flag of St George knickers in a twist, why get so bothered by it? Why is ‘disrespect’ by the act of sitting down so offensive? The military do appear to be exempt from criticism at times. Yep, I appreciate they do a tricky and dangerous job and many display bravery far beyond my capabilities, but it’s a job they choose to do. They know what they’re signing up for and will be chosen for their role based on performance. The everyday folks who signed up for WW1 and WW2 are the ones I believe are truly heroes of this country. Ordinary working people turned into soldiers in such a short space of time and then thrown into alien countries and landscapes whilst displaying heroic acts of bravery when warfare turned from horses and broadswords to guns and explosives. They deserve their medals and applause. Sure, the British miliary should be celebrated, but so should our emergency services who put themselves on the frontline by choice every day. Could we have a day celebrating them as well?If you could just arrange for a decent pay rise, i.e. not the 1% we are told to be very grateful for, then I'm sure we could forego a national day!
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 23, 2017 18:05:05 GMT
All national anthems are a bit mental really if you read the words, all about mighty eagles soaring above the Fatherland/or crushing enemies which stopped being enemies hundreds of years ago, and most of the tunes are shite like ours with the annoying exception of the French one, but I suppose they have to have something going for them.
I have sung it on a few occasions despite being an atheist and ambivalent to the monarchy (don't mind the Queen, not certain about the rest of them,but always felt that what would replace it would be worse) and always stand for it, it's about showing respect. I personally feel that the amount of minutes silences/applauses that happen at football now are ridiculous, we are one step away from the kitmans recently deceased cat getting one, but I still stand in silence for it out of respect for those who it might mean something to.
It's obviously a free country and everyone has the right to not sing it, but to pointedly remain seated throughout as if you are some sort of martyr is a bit of a nobhead thing to do, just stand up in silence out of politeness for those who it matters to, they are not asking the earth are they?
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Post by bashamwonderland on Oct 23, 2017 18:12:35 GMT
I wish we had the Italian national anthem instead. Absolute banger.
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Post by tonyw on Oct 23, 2017 18:14:25 GMT
You should all thank your lucky stars that it's a one-off at OUFC, and you don't have to go through this whole argument about respecting the anthem very often.
Over here in the US, the anthem gets played before every single sporting event at just about any level. Frankly, I find it a bit of a scary, slightly Big Brother-esque phenomenon that everyone has to display suitable reverence and patriotism on a regular basis.....and that's also why the recent NFL protests have become such a big issue.
Having said all that, it's always a pleasure if I'm going to hockey game and there's a Canadian team playing, to belt out 'Oh Canada'; don't believe I've got any Canadian blood in me....but it is a cracking anthem!
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 23, 2017 19:42:46 GMT
You should all thank your lucky stars that it's a one-off at OUFC, and you don't have to go through this whole argument about respecting the anthem very often. Over here in the US, the anthem gets played before every single sporting event at just about any level. Frankly, I find it a bit of a scary, slightly Big Brother-esque phenomenon that everyone has to display suitable reverence and patriotism on a regular basis.....and that's also why the recent NFL protests have become such a big issue. Having said all that, it's always a pleasure if I'm going to hockey game and there's a Canadian team playing, to belt out 'Oh Canada'; don't believe I've got any Canadian blood in me....but it is a cracking anthem! I love Canada and have fond memories living in Toronto watching the leafs....but the anthem?
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 23, 2017 20:11:41 GMT
Out of interest, would those who currently sing GSTQ be happy to sing GSTK when Charles ascends to the throne? Not sure I could do that.
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Post by bbl1 on Oct 23, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
What is this all about!? It does mean something the anthem , two world wars and all that! England was something once and stood up for what was wrong!
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 23, 2017 20:12:57 GMT
Best national anthem then? I haven't listened to all 200 odd thankfully but from sporting events I am going to give it to the French, it is painful to admit the hand waiving surrender merchants are good at anything but I have to give them this one, top tune.
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