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Post by bigalan on Oct 22, 2017 15:23:41 GMT
Sat as I am close to the directors box I noticed three young lads sat where players who are not playing sit and who sat down when the national anthem was being played by the band. Perhaps this is ok nowadays for youngsters I don’t know but the rest of us stood all the way through.
I would have thought (obviously wrongly) that everyone would stand or am I old fashioned? Or is it a “respect” thing.
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Post by yuriyeller on Oct 22, 2017 15:45:33 GMT
Maybe they were atheists.
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 22, 2017 15:50:21 GMT
I don't stand for it, i'm not as anti monarchy as some but I don't see why someone should be given all that privilege because of who her parents were and I certainly won't sing her a song either
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 22, 2017 15:54:31 GMT
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Post by inoxwetrust on Oct 22, 2017 16:18:53 GMT
I,m with oxfordboy on this , quickly sat down as they announced please stand for the national anthem. No its not an age thing as I am in my 50's . Now if they had started playing God Save The Queen by The Sex Pistols , then I would have stood and jumped around for a bit
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 22, 2017 16:48:33 GMT
I never stand or sing for the simple fact that I don't see why I should. Well done on being born into something that hasn't really been relevant for decades. Let me sing you a song and get off my arse while I do it.
I'm not particularly patriotic but even if I were I don't see why that should have to include the Queen and a song.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 22, 2017 16:48:58 GMT
I stayed sat down. If the anthem was about the country rather than the monarch (and the words were more sensible) I would be more likely to stand. I don't particularly 'respect' the 'royal family'.
As Inoxwetrust says, GSTQ by Johnny and the boys would have got me up though!
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 22, 2017 17:13:13 GMT
Words fail me. It is The National Anthem. Of course one stands.
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Post by makv on Oct 22, 2017 17:18:50 GMT
I don’t stand for it either
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Post by makv on Oct 22, 2017 17:20:34 GMT
Words fail me. It is The National Anthem. Of course one stands. It is. But it shouldn’t be.
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 22, 2017 17:24:14 GMT
The problem in the US is the establishment are using their anthem as a way of trying to assert control on people by saying they are 'unpatriotic' instead of actually dealing with the issues.
I have no problem with people sitting for the anthem, I have more of an issue with booing the anthem of others.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 22, 2017 17:27:54 GMT
I see it through the lens of respecting our overall community and values and the words and Queen are merely a symbolic figure to channel through that
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 22, 2017 17:30:58 GMT
I would guess that failing to stand for the national anthem in Pyongyang might cause you problems.
Thank goodness we don't live in North Korea though. I don't like the idea of being commanded to stand for a piece of music the first and most usually sung verse of which isn't even particularly patriotic, being about a person rather than the country.
Play the music and let people make individual decisions about whether to stand or not.
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Post by battman on Oct 22, 2017 17:48:43 GMT
I reluctantly stood, as pretty much everyone around me did, but I didn't sing the anthem, as I do not believe in any god, but if I did, I'd rather sing to save those experiencing horrible atrocities rather than a 91-year-old woman who was born into extreme privilege. Also as a younger person, I've just grown tired of blind nationalism, and having to visibly show 'pride' in where you come from, as if it wasn't by chance you were born one one particular side of man-made borders.
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Post by bigalan on Oct 22, 2017 18:36:27 GMT
I don’t care either way really we all decide how we react, but the fact it was military day and we were celebrating the people who keep us safe both today and in the past I would have thought standing would not have been to much to do.
But hey ho do as you will.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 22, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
I don’t care either way really we all decide how we react, but the fact it was military day and we were celebrating the people who keep us safe both today and in the past I would have thought standing would not have been to much to do. But hey ho do as you will. I thought we could be hero’s was more appropriate.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 22, 2017 18:57:18 GMT
The problem in the US is the establishment are using their anthem as a way of trying to assert control on people by saying they are 'unpatriotic' instead of actually dealing with the issues. It's the same here. This is why I make sure I arrive at the ground after it's over. So sorry.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 22, 2017 19:31:47 GMT
I see it through the lens of respecting our overall community and values and the words and Queen are merely a symbolic figure to channel through that If you respect the overall community surely you respect the majority of the people in it rather than some totem with more money than Croesus? Values that place some Germans above the autochthonous populace are false and invidious values, imo. Specially when they're thick as pigshit and buy their clothes from Oak Furniture Land. Style-less pigs. To hell with them.
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Post by robie on Oct 22, 2017 20:40:43 GMT
If the national anthem was being played because it was the queens birthday or something trivial I would excuse those not standing because they do not like the royal family etc.
However; it was being played because it was military day and is our national anthem. So to not respect the national anthem on this occasion is also disrespectful to our armed forces which is totally inexcusable in my opinion.
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 22, 2017 20:57:34 GMT
However; it was being played because it was military day and is our national anthem. So to not respect the national anthem on this occasion is also disrespectful to our armed forces which is totally inexcusable in my opinion. This is exactly the problem with the anthem, it's divisive and the words make people not want to sing/respect it
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 22, 2017 21:01:45 GMT
However; it was being played because it was military day and is our national anthem. So to not respect the national anthem on this occasion is also disrespectful to our armed forces which is totally inexcusable in my opinion. I'm happy with that.
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Post by Toeby on Oct 22, 2017 21:24:32 GMT
I stood because it was military day and the song was being played by the military band, and I wanted to show my respect to the armed forces. Nowt to do with it being the anthem - it means nothing to me as I'm sure it doesn't to many people my age.
God and the queen are not as relevant as they once were.
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Post by MJB on Oct 22, 2017 21:35:45 GMT
Whatever you think of The National Anthem, it’s got a great bass line - always a highlight when played live.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 23, 2017 4:40:56 GMT
I see it through the lens of respecting our overall community and values and the words and Queen are merely a symbolic figure to channel through that If you respect the overall community surely you respect the majority of the people in it rather than some totem with more money than Croesus? Values that place some Germans above the autochthonous populace are false and invidious values, imo. Specially when they're thick as pigshit and buy their clothes from Oak Furniture Land. Style-less pigs. To hell with them. I think that's my point....,I choose (and of course everyone gets to make their own choice) to see it as a song about the people and their togetherness. Now I know on a literal basis it's not but i guess it's a rather anachronistic relic of which we can do little about on that front. I'd rather it were a little more stirring too like the French anthem. I don't agree with the words in Jerusalem either but it's a rather nice tune
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Post by winchesterox on Oct 23, 2017 5:27:35 GMT
Does a national anthem exist which would be totally acceptable to everyone? One which would make everyone want to stand up and show support and respect? You could perhaps take out God and any British monarch, but what would it include when we all differ in our views and values? Presumably some are even against anything to do with the armed forces and wearing poppies as it glorifies war etc.
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Post by Colin B on Oct 23, 2017 5:53:38 GMT
Jerusalem or Rule Britannia for me.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 23, 2017 7:00:34 GMT
Jerusalem or Rule Britannia for me. Jerusalem, never understood what its supposed to be about ? Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me my arrows of desire! Bring me my spear: o clouds unfold! Bring me my chariots of fire! I will not cease from mental fight; Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand Till we have built Jerusalem In England’s green and pleasant land WTF does that mean ?. Is it something to do with the Crusades ? As for Rule Britannia,far to jingoistic for the PC brigade. I always stand for the Anthem,i never boo other peoples(even Deutschland,Deutschland and the blatantly Anti English Flower of Scotland)it was manners when i was a child and regardless of views on the monarchy,it's the only one we've got. But then i always hold a door open for a woman,yet i read at the weekend,about a teacher bollocking a child at school for holding a door open for her as it was "sexist"
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 23, 2017 7:02:39 GMT
What about- there were 10 German bombers in the air ?
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 23, 2017 7:03:43 GMT
Thankfully the majority showed respect and stood. It was sung in honour of our armed forces and those who sat disrespected them!
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 23, 2017 7:07:08 GMT
Whatever you think of The National Anthem, it’s got a great bass line - always a highlight when played live. And live it doesn't have the jazz ending either which is a plus.
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