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Post by RCYellowRC on Sept 23, 2017 23:14:38 GMT
In terms of squad we have one of the best in the league, Pep however seems to be persistent that this two man midfield with Payne as the 10 is the best for this team and his tactics are so predictable.It simply isn't in my opinion. We haven't beaten a team with a 3 man midfield this season, The last two we've played (Blackpool and Walsall) have closed out our biggest threat out of the game in Payne and left us to play down the flanks. Having reflected on the game and what went wrong for me it is now clear as to why i think we need a 3 man midfield when playing a 2 man midfield we have Rothwell and Ledson trying to each both play 2 roles.
Ledson and Rothwell are both trying to play there normal game but then trying to play the Lundstram role of coming deep and playing the long balls. In my opinion Josh Ruffels fits the Lundstram role perfectly, what did he actually do to deserve to be dropped?
I know i said earlier a 4231 would be best for Bury but now i believe a 433 would be the best way to play for a while drop Payne for 1 or 2 games give him some time to rest and let him get back to the Jack Payne we saw at Oldham . We have the players for it.
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Post by oxford84 on Sept 24, 2017 7:09:18 GMT
In terms of squad we have one of the best in the league, Pep however seems to be persistent that this two man midfield with Payne as the 10 is the best for this team and his tactics are so predictable.It simply isn't in my opinion. We haven't beaten a team with a 3 man midfield this season, The last two we've played (Blackpool and Walsall) have closed out our biggest threat out of the game in Payne and left us to play down the flanks. Having reflected on the game and what went wrong for me it is now clear as to why i think we need a 3 man midfield when playing a 2 man midfield we have Rothwell and Ledson trying to each both play 2 roles. Ledson and Rothwell are both trying to play there normal game but then trying to play the Lundstram role of coming deep and playing the long balls. In my opinion Josh Ruffels fits the Lundstram role perfectly, what did he actually do to deserve to be dropped? I know i said earlier a 4231 would be best for Bury but now i believe a 433 would be the best way to play for a while drop Payne for 1 or 2 games give him some time to rest and let him get back to the Jack Payne we saw at Oldham . We have the players for it. The problem with our formation is that it only benefits Jack Payne at the expensive of the rest of the team,now even Jack Payne isn't benefitting.
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Post by fourthstand on Sept 24, 2017 7:44:59 GMT
We were shite to put it simply. Jack Payne might as well not been on the pitch as it wouldn't have made a difference and Gino did a good impression of not being a footballer. Most others weren't much better but Robbie Hall gets credit for being our only threat and Simon Eastwood was superb otherwise it would have a far bigger defeat. Tyler Roberts looked very good today and has certainly developed in how to play at this level as well as physically. Next game Gino on the bench again and Jack Payne on the bench as well with Mowatt and Henry starting. Gonna need a bigger bench
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Post by Yellow River on Sept 24, 2017 7:51:27 GMT
That wasn't just a very poor performance against a team that hadn't won away since Boxing Day, it was very worrying too.
Van Kessel is an impact player at best (last 20 mins max) first half he offered zero support to Ricardinho, second half fell over a lot and couldn't retain possession.
If Obika and Thomas are both injured we cannot continue with the current formation, the centreforward has to be very fit, strong and good with his back to goal for this system to have any chance of success.
The players looked as if they didn't believe they could win and didn't believe in the system (certainly with the available players)
Pep has to really earn his corn now, is he brave enough to admit the current system is not working, has a got a plan B or C?
We have to find a way of combating teams that pack the midfield and man mark Payne. Over to you Pep.
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 24, 2017 8:23:30 GMT
Beginning to wish I'd waited before spending £36 on Peterborough tickets . £97 quid on 4 tickets already arrived in Lincoln...... God, do we need a performance after the last two Saturdays when we step out in our next two away games, both are very much uphill tasks now.... A draw on Tuesday would have been OK if we got the 3 points today, it now means we really need 4 points from the next two games to stay in touch with the leading teams now.... At least you're still looking up the table. I've started wondering how quickly the teams below us can catch us!
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Post by shosho on Sept 24, 2017 10:07:36 GMT
That wasn't just a very poor performance against a team that hadn't won away since Boxing Day, it was very worrying too. Van Kessel is an impact player at best (last 20 mins max) first half he offered zero support to Ricardinho, second half fell over a lot and couldn't retain possession. If Obika and Thomas are both injured we cannot continue with the current formation, the centreforward has to be very fit, strong and good with his back to goal for this system to have any chance of success. The players looked as if they didn't believe they could win and didn't believe in the system (certainly with the available players) Pep has to really earn his corn now, is he brave enough to admit the current system is not working, has a got a plan B or C? We have to find a way of combating teams that pack the midfield and man mark Payne. Over to you Pep. We saw this with MApp. I’m all for moving the ball around the back 4, opening gaps, getting the ball forward but yesterday was brain dead. I actually think Clotet is a more versatile manager than MApp and it’s clear now that teams know to press us and mark Payne and Hall out of the game. I still ill think we are missing someone who can distribute from the back. Both Ledson and Rothwell are taking the ball off the defence, leaving a big gap between the midfield and forwards. Add to this, only Payne and Hall looking to receive the ball and take players on (whilst effectively being man marked) and we have a problem. Btw, can’t believe Henry was getting hammered prior to Blackpool...look at the alternative. At least he gives the team structure, helps out the LB and works for the team. Common sense says that if teams are pressing high, surely there is space in behind...someone running the channels? But do we have a player to pick that pass...
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 10:18:42 GMT
That wasn't just a very poor performance against a team that hadn't won away since Boxing Day, it was very worrying too. Van Kessel is an impact player at best (last 20 mins max) first half he offered zero support to Ricardinho, second half fell over a lot and couldn't retain possession. If Obika and Thomas are both injured we cannot continue with the current formation, the centreforward has to be very fit, strong and good with his back to goal for this system to have any chance of success. The players looked as if they didn't believe they could win and didn't believe in the system (certainly with the available players) Pep has to really earn his corn now, is he brave enough to admit the current system is not working, has a got a plan B or C? We have to find a way of combating teams that pack the midfield and man mark Payne. Over to you Pep. We saw this with MApp. I’m all for moving the ball around the back 4, opening gaps, getting the ball forward but yesterday was brain dead. I actually think Clotet is a more versatile manager than MApp and it’s clear now that teams know to press us and mark Payne and Hall out of the game. I still ill think we are missing someone who can distribute from the back. Both Ledson and Rothwell are taking the ball off the defence, leaving a big gap between the midfield and forwards. Add to this, only Payne and Hall looking to receive the ball and take players on (whilst effectively being man marked) and we have a problem. Btw, can’t believe Henry was getting hammered prior to Blackpool...look at the alternative. At least he gives the team structure, helps out the LB and works for the team. Common sense says that if teams are pressing high, surely there is space in behind...someone running the channels? But do we have a player to pick that pass... We have plenty of player to pick the pass but don’t very often have anyone in the channels especially down the left. Gino and hall both went inside, and we were so narrow . Which also cuts down the space Payne had to operate in. In that formation if we played two actually wingers and asked them to stay wide Payne would have a lot more space, and we would be as reliant on a holding up style striker as balls in from the wingers and through from Payne are what Thomas and Gino would thrive on. Yesterday silva went on a run down the wing and whipped in a threatening ball from the byline. Trouble is it happened just that once.
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Post by highlights on Sept 24, 2017 11:25:56 GMT
Just some quick thoughts as again i don't have time to do a full piece.
- We're playing a centre back at right back. It shows. - The problems are all coming through the middle. It needs a re-think. Time for Ruffels. We need that stability back in the middle. - Eastwood beaten by a ball across him on his right hand again - it's happening too often to be a co-incidence.
I plead patience though. These are teething problems and they are to be expected. You learn more in defeats than you do in victory. All judgements should be saved for another month.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 11:29:53 GMT
Just some quick thoughts as again i don't have time to do a full piece. - We're playing a centre back at right back. It shows. - The problems are all coming through the middle. It needs a re-think. Time for Ruffels. We need that stability back in the middle. - Eastwood beaten by a ball across him on his right hand again - it's happening too often to be a co-incidence. I plead patience though. These are teething problems and they are to be expected. You learn more in defeats than you do in victory. All judgements should be saved for another month. I think mous had played more games at rb in his career than at cb. I agree though his legs ain’t probably what they used to be. Would like to see Carrol get a few more starts
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 24, 2017 12:44:43 GMT
The issue with Mousinho is that our attacking threat on the right is diminished when he plays there. He is defending well, but not as clinical in the opposition half with runs and crossed, which you'd expect. There is plenty of stuff for the management to consider, but it does feel like something needs to happen down the middle of the park. Teams have wised up to our style and just pack it out.
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Post by littlemore on Sept 24, 2017 12:45:54 GMT
The issue with Mousinho is that our attacking threat on the right is diminished when he plays there. He is defending well, but not as clinical in the opposition half with runs and crossed, which you'd expect. There is plenty of stuff for the management to consider, but it does feel like something needs to happen down the middle of the park. Teams have wised up to our style and just pack it out. Thought Carroll had a great game against Gillingham and I would play him until Riberio is fit but not sure Pep will change.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 24, 2017 12:53:16 GMT
The issue with Mousinho is that our attacking threat on the right is diminished when he plays there. He is defending well, but not as clinical in the opposition half with runs and crossed, which you'd expect. There is plenty of stuff for the management to consider, but it does feel like something needs to happen down the middle of the park. Teams have wised up to our style and just pack it out. Thought Carroll had a great game against Gillingham and I would play him until Riberio is fit but not sure Pep will change. I would as well. We've missed some energy on the right in recent games and been a bit stuck passing the ball around the back 4 and 2 central midfielders.
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Post by littlemore on Sept 24, 2017 12:55:32 GMT
I had been someone who wanted Gino to get a start out wide but having to witness that awful display it is sub appearances from now on for him. Not Henry's biggest fan but at least he knows how to position himself on the pitch. Gino was on the left wing for the first half at times he was drifting all over the place and when Walsall attacked I looked where is Gino near the half way line unbelievable. His runs always made far to early so he was offside or far to late so he had no chance to get the ball. Fair enough he won't be able to hold the ball up much but to just keep falling over rather then getting stuck in was ridiculous. Despite this I still think if Gino is properly coached he could turn out a decent player got pace and can finish just needs to understand his role. I would start him in the upcoming cup games and any development games so he can learn how to play football. Be it on the wing or up front he has a lot to learn. When he's come on as a sub he has looked okay but maybe that's more to do with tierd defences. He does look like a sulk player reminds me of a certain Dean Morgan in that respect.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 24, 2017 13:10:43 GMT
I think Gino as a player may look better once he has settled down the in the area and can concentrate on the game. He definitely looks like he needs some help in the mental part of the game, but what he does offer is something we don't have a lot of. Pace.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Sept 24, 2017 13:14:01 GMT
Maybe too many of these players are just drawing a wage as their careers wind down? Williamson, Tiendalli, Mousinho, Ricardinho, Henry, Martin. And some are known crocs? Ribeiro, Thomas, Obika, Ashby, Long. I'd like to see Ruffels and Carroll in the starting eleven because they are improving all the time, they have a combative attitude and they stay fit. I think you may have hit the nail on the head, those players in your top line, do they really have the drive, and ambition at this stage in their careers as would players like Carroll and Long and perhaps one or two of the other youngsters ?
And as I’ve said before I do like Ribeiro and his style of play, but lets be honest if we get 15 -20 games a season out of him it will be a miracle so lets play Mousinho where he is best and that will be in between Nelson and Williamson IMO and bring Carroll in for a season at right back with Ribs as cover.
Mous is not a right back, he's too slow and out of his comfort zone there and Ric cannot and does not want to defend. His game is based around being an attacking wing back so why not set up the back 5 to make the best of what we have.
At this level and at Div 2 the game is as much effort and desire as it is skill, perhaps more so. So I would rather see a average league 1 player, or a ambitious and fit young un, giving 100% than a average championship player giving 80.
I think things will turn around but it won’t be until we have 11 players being the first choice selection each match and building up confidence, team spirit and understanding and with our current list of sick notes, that's sadly not going to be for some time.
I will reiterate what I said before, I believe Pep has the tools, but he has to demonstrate to me that he can use them, only last week in the second half against Blackpool has he shown that he can make an inspired tactical play..but I wonder if that was like Kesells goal .... a flash in the pan??
It would help if he had the team trying to play direct, attacking, blood and guts, lower division football rather than this pseudo premiership, tap it about at the back and midfield, with no end product in the final 1/4 of the pitch, type of game...
Walsall won yesterday because they worked their socks off and were aggressive and direct, not because they were better player for player, it was the same last week against Blackpool. Who according to one of my friends who came with me last week and who is a Gas head and watched their match yesterday were "a bloody sight worse" than we were last week.
I think its very difficult to get out of this league by playing “proper football”. Teams need players who are a bit ruthless, and can take control over the middle of the park where games are often won or lost, and a manager who can motivate them...I hope Pep is that Man but I'm yet to be convinced.
All said and done we must win our home matches. !
Just my opinion of course.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Sept 24, 2017 13:21:53 GMT
The issue with Mousinho is that our attacking threat on the right is diminished when he plays there. He is defending well, but not as clinical in the opposition half with runs and crossed, which you'd expect. There is plenty of stuff for the management to consider, but it does feel like something needs to happen down the middle of the park. Teams have wised up to our style and just pack it out. Thought Carroll had a great game against Gillingham and I would play him until Riberio is fit but not sure Pep will change. I would pick him every game and make Ribeiro work for his place. When and if he does get it back he has to prove he can stay fit, which sadly I think is going to be difficult.
Carroll is raw but he's a good tackler and has the right attitude. He may not be as good as Ribs going forward or quite as quick but he's not indecisive and does things instinctively.
I thought he should have kept his place after the Gillingham game.
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Post by oxfordboy on Sept 24, 2017 14:17:32 GMT
Williamson and Ricardinho aren't here to earn a wage, they both play like they really want it, I find that a bizarre thing to say in all honesty
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Post by 1OUFC on Sept 24, 2017 15:47:37 GMT
Just some quick thoughts as again i don't have time to do a full piece. - We're playing a centre back at right back. It shows. - The problems are all coming through the middle. It needs a re-think. Time for Ruffels. We need that stability back in the middle. - Eastwood beaten by a ball across him on his right hand again - it's happening too often to be a co-incidence. I plead patience though. These are teething problems and they are to be expected. You learn more in defeats than you do in victory. All judgements should be saved for another month. When we're in the bottom' 3, with 1 win in 11?
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Post by headingtonoldboy on Sept 24, 2017 16:02:31 GMT
I just have the feeling that Pep doesn't quite know his best 11 or formation yet. I appreciate some changes have been forced upon him but even so keep swapping the defence and attack around suggests this to me. Once he gets this sorted we will also force to be reckoned with. Just my opinion.
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Post by scotters on Sept 24, 2017 16:45:08 GMT
I've never been sure yet what Henry is bringing to the team - but it felt like yesterday gave an insight what we were missing when he wasn't there, at least with GVK as a replacement. Felt we just didn't have a midfield playing.
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Post by littlemore on Sept 24, 2017 16:46:33 GMT
For Tuesday I would bring in Carroll, Ruffels, Mowatt and Henry for Mousinho, Ledson, Payne and Gino. Rest the same as Saturday if Obika isn't fit then looks like Mehmeti has to start. Some may say that is too many changes but certain players need a reality check after recent performances.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 24, 2017 17:05:20 GMT
Just some quick thoughts as again i don't have time to do a full piece. - We're playing a centre back at right back. It shows. - The problems are all coming through the middle. It needs a re-think. Time for Ruffels. We need that stability back in the middle. - Eastwood beaten by a ball across him on his right hand again - it's happening too often to be a co-incidence. I plead patience though. These are teething problems and they are to be expected. You learn more in defeats than you do in victory. All judgements should be saved for another month. I think that that is a critical point. You (should) learn more from defeats than victories. I was vociferous after Blackpool that lessons needed to be learned swiftly. Many on here disagreed and said that it was either a bad day at the office or even, bizarrely, a 'normal away performance.' Now is the time to learn, move and change. Let's see 11 fit, motivated players sent out in a basic formation to compete. That is base camp.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 18:02:27 GMT
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Post by joey on Sept 24, 2017 18:43:20 GMT
In terms of squad we have one of the best in the league, Pep however seems to be persistent that this two man midfield with Payne as the 10 is the best for this team and his tactics are so predictable.It simply isn't in my opinion. We haven't beaten a team with a 3 man midfield this season, The last two we've played (Blackpool and Walsall) have closed out our biggest threat out of the game in Payne and left us to play down the flanks. Having reflected on the game and what went wrong for me it is now clear as to why i think we need a 3 man midfield when playing a 2 man midfield we have Rothwell and Ledson trying to each both play 2 roles. Ledson and Rothwell are both trying to play there normal game but then trying to play the Lundstram role of coming deep and playing the long balls. In my opinion Josh Ruffels fits the Lundstram role perfectly, what did he actually do to deserve to be dropped? I know i said earlier a 4231 would be best for Bury but now i believe a 433 would be the best way to play for a while drop Payne for 1 or 2 games give him some time to rest and let him get back to the Jack Payne we saw at Oldham . We have the players for it. Do we have one of the best squads in the league? I think football fans in general overestimate their players, especially at this level when there isn't the coverage that you get in the Premier League for example. We were 17 points off the top 2 last season, since then we've lost arguably our best player in Johnson and the guy who often made us tick in Lunny, you would be hard pushed to argue that any of the replacements are Championship class. As a case in point, Ledson is often raved about on this forum but how many times has he really dominated the midfield this season? I appreciate he's very young and I think he'll play the majority of his career at a higher level than this but in the here and now he's a pretty average League 1 midfielder (which isn't bad for a lad who only turned 20 last month). Realistically if all of our team were available for free transfers how many would go up a level or two? Nelson probably. Ledson quite possibly due to his potential. How many would drop down? Yes there is some talent in this squad, but so is there in most squads in this division. The key area is the strikers for me, Obika's hold up play could find him another club at this level. I doubt Thomas' agent could pull yet another rabbit out the hat and find him anything above League 2 and that's being generous. If I were a League 1 team I doubt if be too interested in GVK either and unfortunately Roberts is not going to cut it. This will all sound pretty negative but I don't see any sense in deluding ourselves. There are positives, Ledson will hopefully continue to develop and Rothwell has improved (though I don't think they can play together) and Carroll looks a potential star. If Mehmeti is a superstar and everyone else plays to full potential we could have a crack at the playoffs but we need to be realistic and not underestimate others in this division like in think we did against Wallsall.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 24, 2017 18:48:47 GMT
Oh dear. I thought that is taught you basic English logic. Evidently not. Yes, of course you CAN say 'bad day at the office.' And that is a real phenomenon. But I argued that that was not an acceptable explanation for the Blackpool game. Because that was a game where we got properly smashed up, and where we didn't look as if we had a clue or even put in serious effort. To continue your education, let us consider this analogous circumstance. A business makes a major mistake on a pitch document. They then follow it up by not shining whilst presenting the document and missing the chance to get past that mistake. Bad day at the office. Fingers pointed; blame accepted; move on. Then you have a different situation. A month later, there is another disastrous pitch. This time, there are mistakes made, but also some incorrect facts tabulated and then two members of the pitch team don't turn up on the day and the guy who IS there says 'if it's all the same to you, I don't see much point in me bothering to do this on my own.' That's not a bad day at the office, partially owing to scale and partially because it's not a one-off. So this now becomes a red flashing light. When the people responsible get told that they've done great, get given a day or two off and then repeat the trick a few days later the red flashing light is accompanied by a siren. That is where we are now. But it is (characteristically) intellectually dishonest to equate the third incidence with the first, in retrospect. Every team has and is allowed to have a bad day at the office. Not too many are allowed to have three shockers in 11 outings without serious addressing of the situation.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Sept 24, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
How Xemi gets a chance now!
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 24, 2017 18:51:00 GMT
I was away in far flung wi-fi/phone signal limited places Saturday. I looked at the BBC stats after 30 minutes that showed us having 78% possession.... sadly I was with a Saddlers ST holder so was rather surprised when he told me they had won. Ho hum, another season of performances between sublime & ridiculous beckons.... its consistency that gets you promoted.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 19:06:46 GMT
Oh dear. I thought that is taught you basic English logic. Evidently not. Yes, of course you CAN say 'bad day at the office.' And that is a real phenomenon. But I argued that that was not an acceptable explanation for the Blackpool game. Because that was a game where we got properly smashed up, and where we didn't look as if we had a clue or even put in serious effort. To continue your education, let us consider this analogous circumstance. A business makes a major mistake on a pitch document. They then follow it up by not shining whilst presenting the document and missing the chance to get past that mistake. Bad day at the office. Fingers pointed; blame accepted; move on. Then you have a different situation. A month later, there is another disastrous pitch. This time, there are mistakes made, but also some incorrect facts tabulated and then two members of the pitch team don't turn up on the day and the guy who IS there says 'if it's all the same to you, I don't see much point in me bothering to do this on my own.' That's not a bad day at the office, partially owing to scale and partially because it's not a one-off. So this now becomes a red flashing light. When the people responsible get told that they've done great, get given a day or two off and then repeat the trick a few days later the red flashing light is accompanied by a siren. That is where we are now. But it is (characteristically) intellectually dishonest to equate the third incidence with the first, in retrospect. Every team has and is allowed to have a bad day at the office. Not too many are allowed to have three shockers in 11 outings without serious addressing of the situation. But u have now put ur self in a position where u can claim to be correct either way. If we improve and win the next few it will be obvious pep has read the riot act (without any evidence of it )if we continue to lose, it will be because like u have told us all pep hasn’t read the riot act. U told us that we have signed players for the here and now to make the push this season. Myself and others have said it will take longer than that for a new manager and players to settle. I think no matter how bad or good the performances are we’re 9 games in. Barnsley went to xmas playing badly and getting poor results. I just don’t think it’s all down to effort, players were trying sat (maybe not Gino) a little to hard a times, but I still think our major issue is the formation not suiting what we have available. Especially when outnumbered in the middle. If pep realises that (as mapp did eventually) then he will automatically get more from the same group of players without the need to change his man management to a more shouty type. That’s not saying we should be happy with the last two results, or even not a little worried. Just my opinion. But none of those players are work shy lazy bastards that we have had previously. I’ve seen each of them have very good ability and effort. What they ain’t is a team, that is comfortable yet with each other or the system they are being played in. You agreed in the end it took mapp over 6 months to work out what was needed and get the group of players playing how he wanted, pep has barely had 6 weeks. the Appleton first year was an adjustment, and while pep has a better foundation, we’re in a higher league with a similar turn over of playing staff.
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Post by horseman on Sept 24, 2017 19:51:48 GMT
Oh dear. I thought that is taught you basic English logic. Evidently not. Yes, of course you CAN say 'bad day at the office.' And that is a real phenomenon. But I argued that that was not an acceptable explanation for the Blackpool game. Because that was a game where we got properly smashed up, and where we didn't look as if we had a clue or even put in serious effort. To continue your education, let us consider this analogous circumstance. A business makes a major mistake on a pitch document. They then follow it up by not shining whilst presenting the document and missing the chance to get past that mistake. Bad day at the office. Fingers pointed; blame accepted; move on. Then you have a different situation. A month later, there is another disastrous pitch. This time, there are mistakes made, but also some incorrect facts tabulated and then two members of the pitch team don't turn up on the day and the guy who IS there says 'if it's all the same to you, I don't see much point in me bothering to do this on my own.' That's not a bad day at the office, partially owing to scale and partially because it's not a one-off. So this now becomes a red flashing light. When the people responsible get told that they've done great, get given a day or two off and then repeat the trick a few days later the red flashing light is accompanied by a siren. That is where we are now. But it is (characteristically) intellectually dishonest to equate the third incidence with the first, in retrospect. Every team has and is allowed to have a bad day at the office. Not too many are allowed to have three shockers in 11 outings without serious addressing of the situation. But u have now put ur self in a position where u can claim to be correct either way. If we improve and win the next few it will be obvious pep has read the riot act (without any evidence of it )if we continue to lose, it will be because like u have told us all pep hasn’t read the riot act. U told us that we have signed players for the here and now to make the push this season. Myself and others have said it will take longer than that for a new manager and players to settle. I think no matter how bad or good the performances are we’re 9 games in. Barnsley went to xmas playing badly and getting poor results. I just don’t think it’s all down to effort, players were trying sat (maybe not Gino) a little to hard a times, but I still think our major issue is the formation not suiting what we have available. Especially when outnumbered in the middle. If pep realises that (as mapp did eventually) then he will automatically get more from the same group of players without the need to change his man management to a more shouty type. That’s not saying we should be happy with the last two results, or even not a little worried. Just my opinion. But none of those players are work shy lazy bastards that we have had previously. I’ve seen each of them have very good ability and effort. What they ain’t is a team, that is comfortable yet with each other or the system they are being played in. You agreed in the end it took mapp over 6 months to work out what was needed and get the group of players playing how he wanted, pep has barely had 6 weeks. the Appleton first year was an adjustment, and while pep has a better foundation, we’re in a higher league with a similar turn over of playing staff. I think with respect you may be missing a crucial point, for quite a number of players in the squad now "time" is not on theirs or our side and whilst individuals can have a bad day, for the team to do it collectively on more than one occasion has nothing to do with how few games they've had together. completely outplayed by shrewsbury and nicked a point is a plus when not playing well but let's look at results 1 point from 9 when not playing well cannot be tolerated and has to be addressed and quickly....
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 19:56:35 GMT
But u have now put ur self in a position where u can claim to be correct either way. If we improve and win the next few it will be obvious pep has read the riot act (without any evidence of it )if we continue to lose, it will be because like u have told us all pep hasn’t read the riot act. U told us that we have signed players for the here and now to make the push this season. Myself and others have said it will take longer than that for a new manager and players to settle. I think no matter how bad or good the performances are we’re 9 games in. Barnsley went to xmas playing badly and getting poor results. I just don’t think it’s all down to effort, players were trying sat (maybe not Gino) a little to hard a times, but I still think our major issue is the formation not suiting what we have available. Especially when outnumbered in the middle. If pep realises that (as mapp did eventually) then he will automatically get more from the same group of players without the need to change his man management to a more shouty type. That’s not saying we should be happy with the last two results, or even not a little worried. Just my opinion. But none of those players are work shy lazy bastards that we have had previously. I’ve seen each of them have very good ability and effort. What they ain’t is a team, that is comfortable yet with each other or the system they are being played in. You agreed in the end it took mapp over 6 months to work out what was needed and get the group of players playing how he wanted, pep has barely had 6 weeks. the Appleton first year was an adjustment, and while pep has a better foundation, we’re in a higher league with a similar turn over of playing staff. I think with respect you may be missing a crucial point, for quite a number of players in the squad now "time" is not on theirs or our side and whilst individuals can have a bad day, for the team to do it collectively on more than one occasion has nothing to do with how few games they've had together. completely outplayed by shrewsbury and nicked a point is a plus when not playing well but let's look at results 1 point from 9 when not playing well cannot be tolerated and has to be addressed and quickly.... It does. I’ve not said it shouldn’t be. But I don’t see it as a major worry at this point, as I’ve never seen us getting promotion this season anyway . What I’ve said is there are 15 new players , and a manager that’s never managed in this league before. And we have also completely totally out played sides as well. Again I don’t think it’s players collectively having bad days, I’ve seen all of those players out there bar Gino , show they are more than individually capable. I think the problem is the formation/tactic not suiting what we have available. That is a lot easier to address than a group of players that ain’t good enough or not trying which I don’t think is the case. But just my view I think Charles and myself are both at the same conclusion but from different perspectives. Both see the answer being pep learning and changing. Charlie in his approach to man management , me in his tactics and formations to suit what we have in the squad. Quite possible if he does both we could still have a good season, but for me a willingness to give him more time to work out what’s needed
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