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Post by finlandia on Sept 23, 2017 18:54:10 GMT
GVK gave the worst performance I have seen in a very, very long time. He wandered, didn't track back, fell over all the time, first touch was appalling and his work rate was non existent. Come on, old boy. It's all positive! Certainly no need for a proper centre forward when your hero is in this form... I literally have no idea what you are on about. Started early?
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Post by grenobleroad on Sept 23, 2017 18:54:37 GMT
Big mistake not having a forward on the bench. Given our injury record I'd have started with Obika and used Gino as an impact sub. Plan B, if needed, would have been Nelson up front with Canice coming in a RB and Mous moving over. Yes, it means losing a midfielder, but we'd be in the last chance saloon at that point. We seem to have a team of crocs at present. Shame James Roberts couldn't have been on the bench. You do have a good point there. If he was fit then if he can't get on the bench today then he never will.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 23, 2017 19:00:24 GMT
Forget 4,2,3,1 it don't work! Wake up Pep,Faz and Chrissy change the system We didn't play 4231 looked like that to me
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 23, 2017 19:03:12 GMT
You are right. It was supposed to be 4-4-1-1. In actual fact it was 4-5-1 with a humungous gap between the lone forward and the midfield five. No wonder Obika keeps getting injured. He has to keep on running into a brick wall with absolutely no help whatsoever. Really? never saw a 5 man midfield T.BH didn't see a midfield today
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 23, 2017 19:17:44 GMT
A terrible, lethargic performance. It was disappointing to see the lack of energy after a week off - Walsall were really up for it and we did not do much for most of the game. The players looked flat. I don't want to see Rothwell and Ledson in the midfield again as yet again, one or the other goes missing and the team stops playing. Ruffels may not do the sexy stuff, but he keeps the team ticking and must come back in on Tuesday. Mousinho is ok at right back, but I think a fit Ribiero has to come back into the team to help the team going forward. Henry needs to start the next game for me, not an eye popping performance but was involved in the all the best bits of we play we had in the 2nd half. Don't get the criticism of Gino at times. It was obvious from game 1 he wasn't a Hylton type runner, so expecting him to do so is asking a lot. Payne has really struggled in the last few games and I wonder if Mowatt would be a better option for a game or two to make the oppo plan for something different. The officials were terrible today. The ref spent more time in the centre circle than either midfield, and thus got so many decisions wrong because he was not up with play. But Walsall were smarter to his shiteness than we were. Not sure how their left back got away with fouling Hall all game and not getting booked. How many times did their left back foul Hall? I don't remember many. I hope that we don't look for such excuses when the game gets watched back. As you be said earlier, we were crap and need to take responsibility rather than look for any excuses. I certainly don't think they were that bad, booing them off at half time was ridiculous and seemed to stem from us not getting a free kick for Hall getting nudged in the corner and us only getting a throw at the end of the first half. I counted 5 times in the first half, Lost count after that.
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Post by ttg17 on Sept 23, 2017 19:18:14 GMT
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Post by uptheus on Sept 23, 2017 19:22:20 GMT
Sorry, but for someone to say we're not too far away after those last two performances is silly. Did you see the games? We were as clueless for most of both games, as any Oxford team I have ever seen. This was typified by the ball van kessel couldn't be bothered to get to hurry a throw in up. He simply couldn't care less.
Walsall are a team running a poll whether to get rid of their manager, yet today, once they realised there was nothing to fear from us, they opened up, created space, passed the ball well and won at a canter in third gear. This is a side tipped to do nothing this year.
I did see it thanks, but I also take into account these are the same players that only a few weeks ago people were creaming themselves about on here. Again I thought the tactics were wrong today. Made worse by taking obika off and playing gino up top on his own, a player we’ve seen that can’t do it, rather than changing the formation/tactic to suit what we do have available. I’ve seen something in every player on that pitch that says they are good enough. By we’re not far off i don’t mean from today’s performance or from Blackpool, I mean we just have to work out how and when to play them as a group. Something that is going to take time with a new manager and 15 new players. Obika was injured, AGAIN.
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Post by yellowsarmy on Sept 23, 2017 19:22:49 GMT
The post match interviews with pep and Nelson screamed complacency too. This cannot be a consolidation season because there is too much older players on short term contracts. A team of youthful players maybe but these are old hands who might not be here next season. Josh payne and Williamson certainly. Sorry these players were brought in to perform now and it seems either they aren't up to it an the wrong players have been brought in or the manager can't get them to play for him. Too many repeating patterns this season not good enough from pep and the team.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Sept 23, 2017 19:22:57 GMT
Sorry if already posted, but Pep sat on his arse until we got back to 2-1. The players need some guidance!
Why Obika and Gino started is beyond me. Gino is a 15 min wonder, Obika back from injury, Should of been on bench.
Thank God there is "Only one Gino"!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 23, 2017 19:27:09 GMT
Come on, old boy. It's all positive! Certainly no need for a proper centre forward when your hero is in this form... Yet another dig Charles ? When I’ve been calling for a top striker for as long as u have. Remember the summer when I was saying moult or Lee Erwin would really add to the side. U must have missed that along we me never saying we would get promoted this season I was saying during the close season that we need a striker and if we have to pay then so be it, but I did have it pointed out to me we have Wes Thomas, John Obika, James Roberts and Gino Van Kessel........ Sorry but I was right don't care what anyone says, 2 carry injuries one should have been booked for falling down and Roberts I didn't know he left us missed that one just hope Memhet is up to the standard we need.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 23, 2017 19:30:06 GMT
I did see it thanks, but I also take into account these are the same players that only a few weeks ago people were creaming themselves about on here. Again I thought the tactics were wrong today. Made worse by taking obika off and playing gino up top on his own, a player we’ve seen that can’t do it, rather than changing the formation/tactic to suit what we do have available. I’ve seen something in every player on that pitch that says they are good enough. By we’re not far off i don’t mean from today’s performance or from Blackpool, I mean we just have to work out how and when to play them as a group. Something that is going to take time with a new manager and 15 new players. Obika was injured, AGAIN. Yeah I got that, what I mean is once that happened, change the way we play to suit what we have, rather than asking Gino to play a role we’ve seen he’s no good at. Play without a striker with say Payne and mowatt deeper as a pair. Or put hall and Henry on their correct sides and ask them to put crosses in, building down the flanks rather than up to the lone striker.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Sept 23, 2017 19:30:39 GMT
Has Obika been injured today?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 23, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
The post match interviews with pep and Nelson screamed complacency too. This cannot be a consolidation season because there is too much older players on short term contracts. A team of youthful players maybe but these are old hands who might not be here next season. Josh payne and Williamson certainly. Sorry these players were brought in to perform now and it seems either they aren't up to it an the wrong players have been brought in or the manager can't get them to play for him. Too many repeating patterns this season not good enough from pep and the team. Josh Payne?
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Post by RCYellowRC on Sept 23, 2017 19:36:36 GMT
Has Obika been injured today? Off at half time played with support on his leg. Shame if it is injury because he was our best player in first half. Won everything in the air but GVK wasn't running beyond him to pick up ball.
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Post by eighteen93 on Sept 23, 2017 19:36:59 GMT
Penalty notwithstanding that was Ledson's worse performance for Oxford. He had a shocking first 45 minutes and was poor in midfield last week too. He is far better than that - did well versus Bradford and needs to get his form back.
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 23, 2017 19:54:56 GMT
The contrast between the two number 10s is interesting. One is highly rated and on loan from a premier league club. The other ran the game for Walsall.
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Post by finlandia on Sept 23, 2017 20:03:34 GMT
The contrast between the two number 10s is interesting. One is highly rated and on loan from a premier league club. The other ran the game for Walsall. Agree - Chambers was man marking Payne and negated any threat. We gave their number 10 acres
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Sept 23, 2017 20:03:57 GMT
Their number 10 was outstanding from the first few minutes onwards He was in the L1 team of the year last season, and you could see why
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Post by littlemore on Sept 23, 2017 20:31:47 GMT
Payne is finding it difficult the last few weeks might be time to start Mowatt as he has looked more lively then Payne once he's come on. Hard one though because Payne was very good first few weeks of season and contributed the most assists.
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Post by Toeby on Sept 23, 2017 20:49:47 GMT
Payne is a class player but is wasted at the moment as we're not giving him space to play in. I'm sure anyone else would have had the same problems today.
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Post by eraser on Sept 23, 2017 20:50:56 GMT
Just listened properly to post match interviews. I think Pep is suffering in the same way MApp was when he took over. Nelson and Ledson came across as a bit brainwashed as if Pep is convincing them that keep playing his way and the results will come. However I am sure Pep will eventually wake up and smell the coffee, as MApp did, that you can have a great philosophy but you have to have the players that can deliver. Until then you play a tactic and style that suits the available squad and have a plan B. I'm backing Pep to get it right but not expecting fireworks this season unless we find another Roofe in January!
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Post by middlebartonyellow on Sept 23, 2017 20:51:40 GMT
GvK 800k hmm. Hope there is a get out because I wouldn't give 800 quid for him. It's a given in English football that you work hard but to me he's a lazy bastard.
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Post by sheikdjibouti on Sept 23, 2017 20:55:13 GMT
To get your arse handed to you a couple of times a season is unfortunate....to have it happen two weeks running (separated, lest we forget, by a "team building" jolly) is really rather worrying.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 23, 2017 20:56:22 GMT
Shame James Roberts couldn't have been on the bench. Someone mentioned earlier he has left the club. There is no way he could play at this level. He got sent back from a 6 month loan at a conference south side. He's still at the club. Contracted until the end of the season.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 23, 2017 21:36:46 GMT
A terrible, lethargic performance. It was disappointing to see the lack of energy after a week off - Walsall were really up for it and we did not do much for most of the game. The players looked flat. I don't want to see Rothwell and Ledson in the midfield again as yet again, one or the other goes missing and the team stops playing. Ruffels may not do the sexy stuff, but he keeps the team ticking and must come back in on Tuesday. Mousinho is ok at right back, but I think a fit Ribiero has to come back into the team to help the team going forward. Henry needs to start the next game for me, not an eye popping performance but was involved in the all the best bits of we play we had in the 2nd half. Don't get the criticism of Gino at times. It was obvious from game 1 he wasn't a Hylton type runner, so expecting him to do so is asking a lot. Payne has really struggled in the last few games and I wonder if Mowatt would be a better option for a game or two to make the oppo plan for something different. The officials were terrible today. The ref spent more time in the centre circle than either midfield, and thus got so many decisions wrong because he was not up with play. But Walsall were smarter to his shiteness than we were. Not sure how their left back got away with fouling Hall all game and not getting booked. How many times did their left back foul Hall? I don't remember many. I hope that we don't look for such excuses when the game gets watched back. As you be said earlier, we were crap and need to take responsibility rather than look for any excuses. I certainly don't think they were that bad, booing them off at half time was ridiculous and seemed to stem from us not getting a free kick for Hall getting nudged in the corner and us only getting a throw at the end of the first half. Hall was taken out off the ball by the left back (ref waved play on) in the first minute and it culminated in the penalty in the 2nd half. In between, there was another late dump off the ball and some fouls when he got past the left back and was tugged or kicked. At least the Ref will be fresh for the Sunday league tomorrow eh! I can only hope Tuesday's team is back to square pegs in square holes. If Mousinho, Williamson and Nelson are to play, put them in a back 3.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 23, 2017 21:37:54 GMT
An embarrassing and feeble display. Nobody takes any credit at apart from Eastwood and Hall. Can someone please tell GvK that sometimes you have to jump for headers, to stop falling over at any given moment and teach him the offside law. If he could occasionally tackle or track back that might be nice. Can someone explain to me exactly what we were trying to do today? Because I honestly have no idea. Rolling the ball out to men already being closed down, playing it side to side before either hacking it long or losing it seemed to be the master plan. We had little pace, no energy, no enthusiasm, no cutting edge. And whodda thunk it, our injury prone strikers are injured. Worrying enough even without the complacent and delusional post match interviews. I have a horrible feeling about the rest of the season - one performance like that might be excusable, two or three so close together are not. You can't win games of football by playing well for 10 or 15 minutes and being complete crap for rest of the match.
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Post by davox on Sept 23, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
The Pep honeymoon is over now. I can't help but think that he's a little too much theory and not enough reality in his tactics and game prep. Hope I'm wrong. Next couple of months will show if he can inspire these players. Give us a bounce back Tuesday.
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Post by greatunclekip on Sept 23, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
To be perfectly honest I would say anybody claiming we looked average today is being generous. For the vast majority of the last two games we have looked actively poor. I'm not advocating anybody being overly hysterical but I think we need to be honest about what we've seen these last couple of games. If we play like today and last weekend on a regular basis we would go down come May. That's far from average. Thank goodness for some objectivity and a sensible post amongst the happy clappers. For all of our 30 mins beautiful passing against Bradford that got people in an erotic lather, we are really not very good at winning games of football. Im starting to think my 18th prediction wad optimistic. Were utter shite.
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 23, 2017 22:59:17 GMT
I'm not sure we played any formation at all, just 10 outfield players going wherever plus a keeper.
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Post by lincolnyellow1 on Sept 23, 2017 23:06:46 GMT
Beginning to wish I'd waited before spending £36 on Peterborough tickets . £97 quid on 4 tickets already arrived in Lincoln...... God, do we need a performance after the last two Saturdays when we step out in our next two away games, both are very much uphill tasks now.... A draw on Tuesday would have been OK if we got the 3 points today, it now means we really need 4 points from the next two games to stay in touch with the leading teams now....
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