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Post by charliesghost on Sept 24, 2017 20:42:24 GMT
I think with respect you may be missing a crucial point, for quite a number of players in the squad now "time" is not on theirs or our side and whilst individuals can have a bad day, for the team to do it collectively on more than one occasion has nothing to do with how few games they've had together. completely outplayed by shrewsbury and nicked a point is a plus when not playing well but let's look at results 1 point from 9 when not playing well cannot be tolerated and has to be addressed and quickly.... It does. I’ve not said it shouldn’t be. But I don’t see it as a major worry at this point, as I’ve never seen us getting promotion this season anyway . What I’ve said is there are 15 new players , and a manager that’s never managed in this league before. And we have also completely totally out played sides as well. Again I don’t think it’s players collectively having bad days, I’ve seen all of those players out there bar Gino , show they are more than individually capable. I think the problem is the formation/tactic not suiting what we have available. That is a lot easier to address than a group of players that ain’t good enough or not trying which I don’t think is the case. But just my view I think Charles and myself are both at the same conclusion but from different perspectives. Both see the answer being pep learning and changing. Charlie in his approach to man management , me in his tactics and formations to suit what we have in the squad. Quite possible if he does both we could still have a good season, but for me a willingness to give him more time to work out what’s needed Agreed. Must be given time. And tactics have their place in improvement that has to come. But the whole club - fans, players, management - has to be cat-like in its vigilance. Bad decisions compounded by complacency will lead to more bad decisions. And if that cycle sets in then bad things can happen (ask port vale). We need to start off by grinding out some results. Make ourselves hard to beat. Out-fight the opposition, even at the expense of Guillem Balague's adoration. And start to work out who is and is not willing to give heart and soul for the cause.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 20:48:35 GMT
It does. I’ve not said it shouldn’t be. But I don’t see it as a major worry at this point, as I’ve never seen us getting promotion this season anyway . What I’ve said is there are 15 new players , and a manager that’s never managed in this league before. And we have also completely totally out played sides as well. Again I don’t think it’s players collectively having bad days, I’ve seen all of those players out there bar Gino , show they are more than individually capable. I think the problem is the formation/tactic not suiting what we have available. That is a lot easier to address than a group of players that ain’t good enough or not trying which I don’t think is the case. But just my view I think Charles and myself are both at the same conclusion but from different perspectives. Both see the answer being pep learning and changing. Charlie in his approach to man management , me in his tactics and formations to suit what we have in the squad. Quite possible if he does both we could still have a good season, but for me a willingness to give him more time to work out what’s needed Agreed. Must be given time. And tactics have their place in improvement that has to come. But the whole club - fans, players, management - has to be cat-like in its vigilance. Bad decisions compounded by complacency will lead to more bad decisions. And if that cycle sets in then bad things can happen (ask port vale). We need to start off by grinding out some results. Make ourselves hard to beat. Out-fight the opposition, even at the expense of Guillem Balague's adoration. And start to work out who is and is not willing to give heart and soul for the cause. See now that I agree with, and to grind out those results I think u have to change the formation. Bring in ruffels maybe in a 433 where rothwell/mowatt can venture forward still leaving ruffels and lego doing what they do. Or try the 3 at the back with wing backs which also packs the midfield when needed, but which needs Henry or Carroll as the rwb to get forward more when needed. Then play hall and maybe Payne as the fast players off a striker. Which if it’s not obika then they need to be on their correct sides putting crosses and balls into a finisher rather than a striker holding it up back to goal and them as inside forwards
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 24, 2017 21:02:39 GMT
Agreed. Must be given time. And tactics have their place in improvement that has to come. But the whole club - fans, players, management - has to be cat-like in its vigilance. Bad decisions compounded by complacency will lead to more bad decisions. And if that cycle sets in then bad things can happen (ask port vale). We need to start off by grinding out some results. Make ourselves hard to beat. Out-fight the opposition, even at the expense of Guillem Balague's adoration. And start to work out who is and is not willing to give heart and soul for the cause. See now that I agree with, and to grind out those results I think u have to change the formation. Bring in ruffels maybe in a 433 where rothwell/mowatt can venture forward still leaving ruffels and lego doing what they do. Or try the 3 at the back with wing backs which also packs the midfield when needed, but which needs Henry or Carroll as the rwb to get forward more when needed. Then play hall and maybe Payne as the fast players off a striker. Which if it’s not obika then they need to be on their correct sides putting crosses and balls into a finisher rather than a striker holding it up back to goal and them as inside forwards I'd drop 2 or 3 players right out of the squad and bring a couple in from the cold at the same time. Message: if you're not going to put it in then you'll lose your place. Candidates from Saturday (controversial): Ledson, Payne, Williamson replaced by Carroll (Mousinho moves to cb), Ruffels and Mehmeti, with Gino replaced by Henry. 451, flood the midfield and pin Hall and Henry to the touchline. Not saying it's perfect, but it would demonstrate - from first principles - that Pep is: A) not going to be messed with and isn't swayed by reputations B) isn't afraid to experiment tactically C) is willing to give everyone a chance in preferred positions
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2017 21:16:55 GMT
I think if agon was anywhere near close enough to starting he would have at least made the bench Saturday. Williamson and Carrol I’d go with. Lego I think would improve enough just having ruffels next to him rather than being left to man the deck when rothwell goes looking for the ball. But agree pining the wingers to the touch line is needed with more in the middle to spread the game. And they need to be hell on the left Henry on the right so they can deliver crosses. One thing that I have noticed in nearly all games this season and from hall in general , players don’t make runs unless they have the ball. When we had macca and baldock, macca could knock the ball into space at the corner knowing that gb will be bombing into that space. Hall and everyone else very rarely make the run in anticipation of a ball through or over the top, preferring to run with it even when most of the time it’s into a dead end
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Post by pottersrightboot on Sept 24, 2017 21:52:31 GMT
Nearly agree with Chas on team selection for Tuesday .
Ledson won't be dropped though, Rothwell will get the hook.
Can see Mowatt starting.
Clotet's comments on strikers attitudes on radio worrying.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Sept 25, 2017 7:07:42 GMT
Was i watching a different game to pep? He believes that we were better in second half because we went direct.From what i saw we were just as bad until Mowatt and Ruffels came on and starting moving and getting ball outwide.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 25, 2017 8:23:36 GMT
Nearly agree with Chas on team selection for Tuesday . Ledson won't be dropped though, Rothwell will get the hook. Can see Mowatt starting. Clotet's comments on strikers attitudes on radio worrying. Sorry, you're absolutely right. Mowatt has to come in for a run of games. So, I would play: Eastwood Carroll Mousinho Nelson Ricardinho Henry Ruffles Rothwell Mowatt Hall Mehmeti Depending on whether Mehmeti is any use or not that actually looks like a useful outfit. It's a bit more mobile than what we have been playing and should ensure some width.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Sept 25, 2017 8:29:38 GMT
Nearly agree with Chas on team selection for Tuesday . Ledson won't be dropped though, Rothwell will get the hook. Can see Mowatt starting. Clotet's comments on strikers attitudes on radio worrying. Sorry, you're absolutely right. Mowatt has to come in for a run of games. So, I would play: Eastwood Carroll Mousinho Nelson Ricardinho Henry Ruffles Rothwell Mowatt Hall Mehmeti Depending on whether Mehmeti is any use or not that actually looks like a useful outfit. It's a bit more mobile than what we have been playing and should ensure some width. It's a pity that, after our early confidence in Williamson, he appears to showing a degree of frailty, particularly with speed off the mark. He has been made to look slow and vulnerable lately. Yes: Mousinho must be brought in to partner Nelson.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 25, 2017 8:35:18 GMT
Was i watching a different game to pep? He believes that we were better in second half because we went direct.From what i saw we were just as bad until Mowatt and Ruffels came on and starting moving and getting ball outwide. His analysis of the second halves against Blackpool and Walsall have been weird. In both games, it was patently obvious that the opposition abandoned their high press once two goals ahead and opted to manage the game instead of risking being caught on the counter. Of COURSE that then made us look better, as we were given more time on the ball. But he would be best off forgetting those periods in terms of match analysis. Focus instead on what happened against Shrewsbury, Blackpool and Walsall in the first halves of those games when they were enacting their full game plan. High press, flood the midfield, drive central midfield duo back onto the toes of the centre backs and man mark little Payne. Result: total domination. To make 4231 work, the pre-requisite is a strong, mobile target man who is willing to run all day. The next is an attacking midfielder who can break beyond that striker. The third is high-energy attacking full-backs. Let us call these players Hylton, Sercombe, Baldock. Once you have that energy in the side (In all areas, effectively) you can escape the high press and get your four attackers into the game.
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Post by pooshooter on Sept 25, 2017 10:27:47 GMT
Good afternoon. Just parked behind the East Stand on a lovely sunny afternoon. Got a good feeling about this one. 3-1 COYY Hmmmmm!
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Sept 25, 2017 10:32:44 GMT
Bit concerned about this one. After losing 3-1 you'd think they'd spend time on the training pitch working in the weaknesses that defeat highlighted but instead they go on a team bonding thing at an Army base until Wednesday. Its a really bizzare thing to do at this stage of the season and it means they've only had 2 days of proper preparation for this game. Walsall haven't won away since Boxing Day... However....
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