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Post by York Yellow on Aug 16, 2017 9:35:10 GMT
The OM have reported this morning that we've turned down an approach from a L1 club for Nelson this window. I personally forgot that we only signed him on a 2 year deal, and as we paid a good amount of compensation for his services, I would hope that we get him signed up to a new, longer term deal sharpish! Original BBC article from when we signed him: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36704606
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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 16, 2017 9:39:13 GMT
He's got a +1 on his deal. If he doesn't sign a new one then he will have to go next summer.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 16, 2017 9:48:57 GMT
Nelson would have to go for £1m+ and I'd be surprised if a L1 club could afford him and guarantee a better season than he'd have here.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Aug 16, 2017 9:56:06 GMT
If your talking crazy money for MJ, you would have to talk crazy money for CN. For me, he is a more important cog in the machine, younger and can go higher.
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Post by Common Villager on Aug 16, 2017 10:06:35 GMT
He's got a +1 on his deal. If he doesn't sign a new one then he will have to go next summer. Has the +1 been confirmed anywhere?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 16, 2017 10:25:03 GMT
We have the hold out for big money to test the water in the possible sale of CN but as has been said he is in important part of the cog in the machine that is OUFC. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't Bury as they seem to think they are going to walk this League and they got stuffed last Saturday and with JS,PE and CM at Bury I'm sure they've mentioned CN to the management at Bury.
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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 16, 2017 11:02:25 GMT
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Post by Common Villager on Aug 16, 2017 11:08:32 GMT
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Post by oxfordboy on Aug 16, 2017 11:08:34 GMT
Frustrating, no player is irreplaceable, but to lose someone as important as Nelson this season would be a big blow, having that year option on him is huge, I don't think more than 1 or 2 league 1 clubs can really pay any more than we can so maybe we should offer him a big pay rise and an extra year asap
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Post by foley on Aug 16, 2017 11:20:41 GMT
Frustrating, no player is irreplaceable, but to lose someone as important as Nelson this season would be a big blow, having that year option on him is huge, I don't think more than 1 or 2 league 1 clubs can really pay any more than we can so maybe we should offer him a big pay rise and an extra year asap I can't see there being any way that we will let Nelson go unless it is genuinely ridiculous money. Johnson could force DE/ Pep's hand if there is a reasonable offer , but Nelson will go at the end of the season I would expect (unless we go up where things are very different)
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Post by KristapsGrebis on Aug 16, 2017 12:03:30 GMT
We were top of League One last time I checked and on course for 138 points with 115 goals scored and zero conceded.
This other league one team can go and f*cking whistle.
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Post by gilgy on Aug 16, 2017 13:13:42 GMT
Another league 1 club.... wonder if it was that lot from down the A420....... oh wait.
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Post by oldman159 on Aug 16, 2017 13:36:32 GMT
Bristol Rovers.....?
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Post by Frodos sock on Aug 16, 2017 15:12:14 GMT
My guess would be a Wigan or a Blackburn
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Post by fishpaste on Aug 16, 2017 15:46:40 GMT
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Post by oxford84 on Aug 16, 2017 19:42:40 GMT
Plymouth?
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 17, 2017 6:55:53 GMT
The only other clubs who are big and not mentioned are Portsmouth, Bradford and Charlton. They would probably be cheeky enough to try. Or Cocky little Fleetwood.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 17, 2017 7:29:59 GMT
They're all wasting their time.
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Post by foweyox on Aug 17, 2017 7:35:57 GMT
The only other clubs who are big and not mentioned are Portsmouth, Bradford and Charlton. They would probably be cheeky enough to try. Or Cocky little Fleetwood. Fleetwood......oh to swap the dreaming spires for the smell of fish! if Curtis goes to anyone in our league it shows there is an issue between clubs and players about the commitment that comes from signing a contract - they almost become meaningless if the player or his agent orchestrates a move - as someone else said, we pay them when injured so its not a one way street - imagine browsing the "vacancies" in the first week of a new job. We have t be careful we arent seen as some sort of cattery, where players go for a few weeks, sit in the window, and wait until someone comes along and says meeow. Curtis looks the one who could go all the way if he continues to improve so selling him now is folly. Looks like the transfer window date will change - seems to be overwhelming support - bet its not with effect from next year though, give the big clubs another couple of years to squeeze. We moan about the poachers, but how have we added so much value to Curtis that he is now 5-10x his initial fee? How has MJ gone up in value by a million when he doesnt give his all? We cant have our cake and eat it - we got Lunny for nothing and paid way under the odds for CN - its just how it is - we raid lower leagues and steal players for a song and the teams above us do the same. We have a £1-2m shop (rather than a pound shop) - everything is £1-2m - no justification, thats just how it is. Our customers know what we paid for the items so they arent going to pay more because we havent done anything to make them worth more, other than stick a big ticket on them. If we are going to attract and KEEP talent we need to go up this year, I think we will and on at 25-1 as champions :-) The irony is we may then have players who wanted a move to the Championship and then find out that with the better players coming in they cant get in the side, or just arent good enough at the higher level. Get everyone who would be part of a Championship season on side with a longer contract and huge bonuses for promotion (or list them if they dont sign) and lets see some belief coming from the players. COYY
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Post by foweyox on Aug 17, 2017 7:46:22 GMT
The revenue arm of the club is the scouting system and to a certain extent the academy. The scouts are paid what? A minimum wage and bus fare? Buying cheap and selling dear is our bread and butter. Gate receipts probably only cover the playing staff and running costs, and that side of the business is maybe even a loss leader. Our financial situation would be dire if we hadnt found/sold KM, CO, JL and even MAPPy. The entire scouting team are huge asset with an almost 100% margin. Can we get them signed up on contracts please. If I were the Leeds chairman, I would ask myself why we are paying high fees for Oxford player(s), when I could have got them for a song using the right scouts. The financial future of the club would definitely be at risk if we stopped turning over players. In the scouts we trust - the most underappreciated group of guys in football.
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Post by northcornishyellow on Aug 17, 2017 7:57:37 GMT
You write a lot of sense fowey ox and make some good points; especially regarding the fact that we have picked up all the players we sold for next to nothing (other than MJ maybe) and regarding our scouting system. By the way I'm guessing you must live in fowey - I think I may have met you once if you are a friend of Gary Silver? Do you get to many matches - guess I'm wondering about possible car share or something? I've just taken early retirement and am living in Bodmin now so hoping to do a few more games this season so if your interested let me know.
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Post by Young Money on Aug 17, 2017 8:34:15 GMT
The only other clubs who are big and not mentioned are Portsmouth, Bradford and Charlton. They would probably be cheeky enough to try. Or Cocky little Fleetwood. Curtis looks the one who could go all the way if he continues to improve so selling him now is folly. Looks like the transfer window date will change - seems to be overwhelming support - bet its not with effect from next year though, give the big clubs another couple of years to squeeze. We moan about the poachers, but how have we added so much value to Curtis that he is now 5-10x his initial fee? How has MJ gone up in value by a million when he doesnt give his all? We cant have our cake and eat it - we got Lunny for nothing and paid way under the odds for CN - its just how it is - we raid lower leagues and steal players for a song and the teams above us do the same. We have a £1-2m shop (rather than a pound shop) - everything is £1-2m - no justification, thats just how it is. Our customers know what we paid for the items so they arent going to pay more because we havent done anything to make them worth more, other than stick a big ticket on them. If we are going to attract and KEEP talent we need to go up this year, I think we will and on at 25-1 as champions :-) The irony is we may then have players who wanted a move to the Championship and then find out that with the better players coming in they cant get in the side, or just arent good enough at the higher level. Get everyone who would be part of a Championship season on side with a longer contract and huge bonuses for promotion (or list them if they dont sign) and lets see some belief coming from the players. COYY To be fair, we took Lundstram from a bigger, higher up club who didn't want him. I don't think we'd complain if a team in the Conference South signed Ashby, for example.
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Post by rickyotto on Aug 17, 2017 12:34:52 GMT
The only other clubs who are big and not mentioned are Portsmouth, Bradford and Charlton. They would probably be cheeky enough to try. Or Cocky little Fleetwood. Fleetwood......oh to swap the dreaming spires for the smell of fish! if Curtis goes to anyone in our league it shows there is an issue between clubs and players about the commitment that comes from signing a contract - they almost become meaningless if the player or his agent orchestrates a move - as someone else said, we pay them when injured so its not a one way street - imagine browsing the "vacancies" in the first week of a new job. We have t be careful we arent seen as some sort of cattery, where players go for a few weeks, sit in the window, and wait until someone comes along and says meeow. Curtis looks the one who could go all the way if he continues to improve so selling him now is folly. Looks like the transfer window date will change - seems to be overwhelming support - bet its not with effect from next year though, give the big clubs another couple of years to squeeze. We moan about the poachers, but how have we added so much value to Curtis that he is now 5-10x his initial fee? How has MJ gone up in value by a million when he doesnt give his all? We cant have our cake and eat it - we got Lunny for nothing and paid way under the odds for CN - its just how it is - we raid lower leagues and steal players for a song and the teams above us do the same. We have a £1-2m shop (rather than a pound shop) - everything is £1-2m - no justification, thats just how it is. Our customers know what we paid for the items so they arent going to pay more because we havent done anything to make them worth more, other than stick a big ticket on them. If we are going to attract and KEEP talent we need to go up this year, I think we will and on at 25-1 as champions :-) The irony is we may then have players who wanted a move to the Championship and then find out that with the better players coming in they cant get in the side, or just arent good enough at the higher level. Get everyone who would be part of a Championship season on side with a longer contract and huge bonuses for promotion (or list them if they dont sign) and lets see some belief coming from the players. COYY I would only disagree with one point in your excellent post. Customers may know what we paid but that doesn't mean they won't pay more. We've tested them and proven they're a good commodity. There are no bankers and we applied the risk assessment they couldn't necessarily know. We model good products that were in R&D beforehand. And like the London housing market, you may know a house was bought for 500k two years ago but you still have to pay 700k. That's the market.
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Post by oxfordyankee on Aug 17, 2017 13:28:01 GMT
If only we could apply for R&D tax credits...
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 17, 2017 13:37:24 GMT
I'd dispute we've been picking up players, 'for next to nothing'. Other than Marvin (as referenced above), we paid over £200,000 for Nelson via Tribunal, we paid for Pekalski, we paid for Ledson, we paid big for Hemmings, I suspect we paid for Lundstram, we paid for Kemar, we have a deal in place for Van Kessel.
There's £1.5m fee right there.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 17, 2017 13:59:31 GMT
I noticed that Man City have had an £18m bid turned down for Johnny Evans. On that basis what would be a genuine value on Curtis Nelson? I know Premiership teams never look this low, but it wouldn't be unlikely to see Evans go for £20m, WBA replace with a top Championship defender for £10m who then look at replacing with the likes of Nelson for what? £3-5m?
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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 17, 2017 14:07:04 GMT
I'd dispute we've been picking up players, 'for next to nothing'. Other than Marvin (as referenced above), we paid over £200,000 for Nelson via Tribunal, we paid for Pekalski, we paid for Ledson, we paid big for Hemmings, I suspect we paid for Lundstram, we paid for Kemar, we have a deal in place for Van Kessel. There's £1.5m fee right there. Didn't ledson, lundstram and roofe turn down deals at their clubs to sign for us?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
A better comparison is probably Mawson. Let go by Brentford, despite having a good season at Wycombe when we tried to sign him. Went to Barnsley in l1. Had a decent season in l1 winning check a trade and promotion, after just 4 appearances in the championship goes to Swansea for £5.5m plays 28 games scoring 4 goals.
He's 1 year younger than Nelson, but at the time less experienced. Nelson had over 200 games at l2 level and was captain for most of it.
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Post by gingerox on Aug 17, 2017 14:17:18 GMT
Nelson is a very good player, I don't think anyone disputes that. He's looked solid in every game I've seen him play in, was probably still a 6/10 vs Cheltenhem when others let him down. He also looks extremely comfortable against class strikers, eg. Wood at Leeds in pre-season barely had a sniff of goal, handled Mitrovic well vs Newcastle. He will leave soon, but his quality (defensive+ball at feet) plus the fact he's currently captain makes me think we'd get a big fee for him, probably around the 5mil mark. Still got potential to improve, so a decent sell on percentage is also a must.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 17, 2017 14:19:06 GMT
I'd dispute we've been picking up players, 'for next to nothing'. Other than Marvin (as referenced above), we paid over £200,000 for Nelson via Tribunal, we paid for Pekalski, we paid for Ledson, we paid big for Hemmings, I suspect we paid for Lundstram, we paid for Kemar, we have a deal in place for Van Kessel. There's £1.5m fee right there. Didn't ledson, lundstram and roofe turn down deals at their clubs to sign for us? All of them younger than 24 years old at the time we signed them.
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