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Post by holdsteady on Dec 11, 2016 1:30:47 GMT
Well whatever happened it ruined the first half and seemed OTT. I know that FK couldn't care a f*** but the supporters pay our money and the Ultras do a fantastic job in my view. I went to a couple of German games recently and there were thousands of flags being waved throughout the whole game(s). Really is our health and safety more tight that the Germans? If their flags (big ones) are less dangerous than a few at Oxford WTF? I am just a little cynical when hearing that there is a new safety officer. Is he a H&S hitler or (probably totally unfair) a FK way to wind everybody up? Regardless totally over the top - maybe we should stop having fun at football (go back to the CW/IA days ) For the majority of the crowd the fact we shit ruined the first half, other than a bit of moaning I barely noticed.
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Post by saddletramp on Dec 11, 2016 5:48:10 GMT
It's really not a health and safety issue though is it? I can't see how it would be safe before and after a game but unsafe during play. An annoyance maybe, but as u say only if it has actually bothered someone. Oufc seem to be pretty behind u guys , I've been to a lot of away games where stewards would take an umbrella off u let alone a flag pole. I'm sure something can be worked out, even if it is just a more widely acknowledged agreement that it's not during play. A silly rule maybe, but no different to not being allowed to serve alcohol or curtains having to be drawn if drinking in view of the pitch in a box I noticed the curtains yesterday,how long has this been going on ? Been in a box a few times,all that was said to us was,"if you drink during the game can you stand at the back so you cant be seen" From what i could see yesterday,most boxes had the curtains closed,yet few people were sat outside ? Must have been watching Jeff Stelling.
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Post by eighteen93 on Dec 11, 2016 7:20:17 GMT
Perhaps this is the start of gentrification? In OX4 !
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Post by billyox on Dec 11, 2016 8:26:16 GMT
It's really not a health and safety issue though is it? I can't see how it would be safe before and after a game but unsafe during play. An annoyance maybe, but as u say only if it has actually bothered someone. Oufc seem to be pretty behind u guys , I've been to a lot of away games where stewards would take an umbrella off u let alone a flag pole. I'm sure something can be worked out, even if it is just a more widely acknowledged agreement that it's not during play. A silly rule maybe, but no different to not being allowed to serve alcohol or curtains having to be drawn if drinking in view of the pitch in a box I noticed the curtains yesterday,how long has this been going on ? Been in a box a few times,all that was said to us was,"if you drink during the game can you stand at the back so you cant be seen" From what i could see yesterday,most boxes had the curtains closed,yet few people were sat outside ? Must have been watching Jeff Stelling. I go in a box at least once a season and that's always been the case with the curtains Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by saddletramp on Dec 11, 2016 8:52:03 GMT
I noticed the curtains yesterday,how long has this been going on ? Been in a box a few times,all that was said to us was,"if you drink during the game can you stand at the back so you cant be seen" From what i could see yesterday,most boxes had the curtains closed,yet few people were sat outside ? Must have been watching Jeff Stelling. I go in a box at least once a season and that's always been the case with the curtains Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Been in a box half a dozen times,never closed the curtains,in fact didn't even know there was curtains. Picture below we are in the box next to the end,1 watching outside the rest through the window,pint in hand.
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Post by outsidethebox on Dec 11, 2016 9:03:07 GMT
So will the banners be back on Tuesday? The "Landgrab Stad" is soulless and bland enough. Without the colour the ultras bring it sinks to a desperately depressive level usually only found in Wiltshire.
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Post by worleox42 on Dec 11, 2016 10:19:34 GMT
Does that mean if we get to Wembley we can't wave flags... ultras do an unbelievable job and I for one are so grateful they do, makes the ground look like our home rather than a concrete stadium. To me We should all bring flags for Northampton on Boxing Day and everyone wave them all through the game.
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Post by Colin B on Dec 11, 2016 10:28:07 GMT
I'm sure if the lads get in touch with us at OxVox we'll be more than happy to look into it.
Edit: OxVox will be speaking with Darryl on the issue later today, and he's keen to sort things out. Any info that people have would be very useful.
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Post by behindthegoal on Dec 11, 2016 11:27:27 GMT
Does that mean if we get to Wembley we can't wave flags... ultras do an unbelievable job and I for one are so grateful they do, makes the ground look like our home rather than a concrete stadium. To me We should all bring flags for Northampton on Boxing Day and everyone wave them all through the game. We get the massive flag out, the one that nearly goes from end to end of east stand...and keep it there all through the game!!!
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Post by behindthegoal on Dec 11, 2016 11:29:25 GMT
I don't think it's the tiny flags we have that OUFC have issues with, it's the much bigger ones some have, which could hinder fans sight of the game
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Post by yellowfever1 on Dec 11, 2016 12:25:44 GMT
We should ban the flags. They create a dangerous and jingoistic atmosphere. There is also clearly a link between flags and hooliganism. If the ultras want to continue selfishly waving flags, they should at least provide other spectators with periscopes to see the match.
On another note, I was in the East stand yesterday and at one point the ultras were so loud, I couldn't hear the notifications on my Smart phone. Most of us fans just want to sit down and watch the match in peace and quiet. The ultras should do more to cater to the majority.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 11, 2016 12:37:56 GMT
We should ban the flags. They create a dangerous and jingoistic atmosphere. There is also clearly a link between flags and hooliganism. If the ultras want to continue selfishly waving flags, they should at least provide other spectators with periscopes to see the match. On another note, I was in the East stand yesterday and at one point the ultras were so loud, I couldn't hear the notifications on my Smart phone. Most of us fans just want to sit down and watch the match in peace and quiet. The ultras should do more to cater to the majority. Must have enjoyed the second half then
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Post by tbfuth14 on Dec 11, 2016 12:47:46 GMT
We have to ask ourselves if we want OUFCs support to be the same as every other English club support... aka absolutely woeful, OR actually use the great foundations we now have be above the rest, and make it as European as possible.
Waving flags before the game and after a goal makes you no better than Arsenal and Chelsea, might as well start employing stewards to do it!
(vid below) These fans views are being impeded during the game, does it look like they care? No because thats the section in which they wave them for 90 minutes and focus on atmosphere. It's the same everywhere else in Europe. The Ultras at OUFC have had a tiny tiny tiny section in a 12500 seater stadium for 8 years now, after everything achieved over those 8 years (displays, atmosphere etc), I find it absolutely staggering that they can't wave larger flags for 90 minutes to help the atmosphere. AND the players want it, which is the most important thing!
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Post by yellowfever1 on Dec 11, 2016 12:55:05 GMT
We have to ask ourselves if we want OUFCs support to be the same as every other English club support... aka absolutely woeful, OR actually use the great foundations we now have be above the rest, and make it as European as possible. Waving flags before the game and after a goal makes you no better than Arsenal and Chelsea, might as well start employing stewards to do it! (vid below) These fans views are being impeded during the game, does it look like they care? No because thats the section in which they wave them for 90 minutes and focus on atmosphere. It's the same everywhere else in Europe. The Ultras at OUFC have had a tiny tiny tiny section in a 12500 seater stadium for 8 years now, after everything achieved over those 8 years (displays, atmosphere etc), I find it absolutely staggering that they can't wave larger flags for 90 minutes to help the atmosphere. AND the players want it, which is the most important thing! These fans remind me of the South stand. Also, someone had a scarf with 'Hate..Cum' written on it. I wonder if we could have similar scarfs sold in our club shop.
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Post by makv on Dec 11, 2016 13:12:00 GMT
That drumming would get seriously f*cking annoying very very quickly
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Post by bigronaldo on Dec 11, 2016 13:29:23 GMT
If it is some new edict about elf and safety, then i can only think that they do not understand the way we have supported this club in the east stand. We have created an incredible atmosphere here at times, one that makes the spine tingle. We cannot go back to the way it was. Not now. Think again on your restrictions stewards. Whats next? No standing?
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Post by sussox on Dec 11, 2016 13:37:40 GMT
If any of you want to show someone an example of why the ultra movement will never catch on in England, show them this thread. Come to the Kassam during any game to see the fantastic banners they put up, Google past special displays to see just how fantastic our ultras are! Who cares about other clubs?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Dec 11, 2016 13:39:45 GMT
If any of you want to show someone an example of why the ultra movement will never catch on in England, show them this thread. Come to the Kassam during any game to see the fantastic banners they put up, Google past special displays to see just how fantastic our ultras are! Who cares about other clubs? I think Berliner was referring to the people criticising or scoffing at the Ultras and thus holding back the development of the group. He wasn't criticising the Ultras themselves. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
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Post by sussox on Dec 11, 2016 13:43:31 GMT
I'm sure if the lads get in touch with us at OxVox we'll be more than happy to look into it. Edit: OxVox will be speaking with Darryl on the issue later today, and he's keen to sort things out. Any info that people have would be very useful. Well done Colin, common sense should prevail. Although if getting a taxi to the ground anytime soon, don't listen to the taxi driver, crocs have'nt been spotted on route for quite sometime, unlike in northern Australia!
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Post by Colin B on Dec 11, 2016 15:19:39 GMT
There was certainly no H&S overkill involved there mate!
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Post by ox5 on Dec 11, 2016 15:34:13 GMT
Great, the first home match of the season I miss and something dramatic happens. I stand by the ultras and think its great what they are trying to create so I am supportive of what they do. The east stand would look dreadful without the banners and they are continuously getting songs going to get the atmosphere better. I will say that if they haven't already then perhaps they should get someone involved with OxVox as a way forward with dialogue with the club/chairman? Not sure you would ever get the same atmosphere as on the continent at any British ground but there is no harm in trying, as the ultra chap says, most grounds in Britain have a crap atmosphere.
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Post by saddletramp on Dec 11, 2016 15:34:59 GMT
Not knocking the Ultras, they are youngsters who are trying there best to drum up atmosphere in a soulless concrete bowl. But having watched football for well over 50 years in some of the best stadiums ever built for atmosphere,i never saw the need for flags and drums. Been to loads of England games where that F@@king band does nothing for the atmosphere,just annoys people. The flags dont bother me,im in the North stand so its irrelevant to me,and if the lads think it inspires the team (when in all honesty thats what its supposed to do) then long may it continue. I dont think it would have gone well in the London road though. P.S. Why the f@@k do Spurs fans think singing "when the Spurs go marching in " really slowly creates an atmosphere and inspires the team ?
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 11, 2016 15:51:05 GMT
Gbt has already spoken with them, and a meeting is arranged for this week. "With a massive desire to work together on it ".
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Post by leysboy on Dec 11, 2016 16:50:50 GMT
I think it's brilliant what the lads do, and would be happy to join the gang. I want to see the atmosphere stay, or improve even more. I would like it to come across to away fans, and make them feel extremely intimidated.
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Post by berliner on Dec 11, 2016 17:41:39 GMT
Come to the Kassam during any game to see the fantastic banners they put up, Google past special displays to see just how fantastic our ultras are! Who cares about other clubs? I think Berliner was referring to the people criticising or scoffing at the Ultras and thus holding back the development of the group. He wasn't criticising the Ultras themselves. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it. Pete has understood it correctly...I love the work the ultras do.
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Post by Junior on Dec 11, 2016 17:53:28 GMT
Would love to know why the previous stadium manager was fired by GBT..
Whilst he's at it, he could also explain why the club have only 17 of their own stewards..
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 11, 2016 17:57:04 GMT
Ask him
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Post by MJB on Dec 11, 2016 18:58:32 GMT
Very pleased to see the club moving so quickly on this. It was the right thing to do and it's to their credit. This should all be resolved with an understanding from both sides and a quick handshake.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 11, 2016 19:03:57 GMT
Looks like all got a bit blown out of proportion, if there was an agreement already, then the stewards are only enforcing that. But then again it was only a few mins after kick off and the over reaction with threatening to expel people is way over the top. Maybe just the new guy following the rules a bit to keenly. At least the meetings should get everyone on the same page. Ultras do undoubtably add to the match experience, if that means the big flags can only be waved at agreed times then that's got to be a start.
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Post by tbfuth14 on Dec 11, 2016 19:13:04 GMT
Looks like all got a bit blown out of proportion, if there was an agreement already, then the stewards are only enforcing that. But then again it was only a few mins after kick off and the over reaction with threatening to expel people is way over the top. Maybe just the new guy following the rules a bit to keenly. At least the meetings should get everyone on the same page. Ultras do undoubtably add to the match experience, if that means the big flags can only be waved at agreed times then that's got to be a start. Clearly there does need to be a meeting because this "rule" has never existed, ever. We've tried to keep flags waving for 90 minutes plenty of times, with no issues. I don't agree that flags should "only be waved at certain times", support should be organic and not put on a timer. Personally think that's absolutely bonkers in an Ultras section where everyones happy for them to be up.
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