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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 13:32:04 GMT
I think the point some are missing is, it was oxvox idea put to mr kassam about community ownership, not a kassam idea to somehow shaft the club! But OxVox could have only gone to speak to Kassam if they had a good proposition, so the question is, what was that proposition? I'd guess that it was in conjunction with the council. I get the feeling that no exchange of money will actually take place. Could be along the lines of, the council offer some land in exchange of the stadium and the overflow car park etc. Kassam gets land at a better rate to sell to a developer to make more money than he would have got by just selling the stadium and associated land (overflow car park) that comes with it? The club/fans benefit, the council benefit through homes development and Kassam gets more money than planned.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 13:34:16 GMT
Well well well. Kassam was working with us all along Working for himself you mean!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 14:07:38 GMT
I think the point some are missing is, it was oxvox idea put to mr kassam about community ownership, not a kassam idea to somehow shaft the club! But OxVox could have only gone to speak to Kassam if they had a good proposition, so the question is, what was that proposition? I'd guess that it was in conjunction with the council. I get the feeling that no exchange of money will actually take place. Could be along the lines of, the council offer some land in exchange of the stadium and the overflow car park etc. Kassam gets land at a better rate to sell to a developer to make more money than he would have got by just selling the stadium and associated land (overflow car park) that comes with it? The club/fans benefit, the council benefit through homes development and Kassam gets more money than planned. Pretty much what I said earlier
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 14:08:35 GMT
Well well well. Kassam was working with us all along Working for himself you mean! Nope, exactly what I said. Working together, anyone who thinks this will come off with out all parties working together to each gain something is deluded
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 14:10:38 GMT
Also just been announced that de has made 3 offers for the stadium, 2 rejected 1 still on the table. Things are moving towards an end game one way or another
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Post by ascotyellow on Oct 8, 2016 14:12:28 GMT
And there it is, the real reason Kassam has spoken to the mail "I dont want to sell to a single individual" he's just letting Eales know he needs to up his bid!
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Post by MJB on Oct 8, 2016 14:22:03 GMT
And there it is, the real reason Kassam has spoken to the mail "I dont want to sell to a single individual" he's just letting Eales know he needs to up his bid! Missed that tweet in all the hoopla this morning - very interesting bit of news.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 8, 2016 15:11:11 GMT
And there it is, the real reason Kassam has spoken to the mail "I dont want to sell to a single individual" he's just letting Eales know he needs to up his bid! How does that work then? FK says he doesn't want to sell to and individual but you think he's trying to up DE bid... Things have just gone up a notch or 2, I wonder if things escalate or they subside and carry on behind the scenes again.
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Post by shosho on Oct 8, 2016 16:54:20 GMT
From the outside it appears Eales has been upping the pressure on kassam for a while now. Firstly the state of the stadium, followed by the release that Kassam is holding up the fourth stand. Kassam has a dig at Eales with the 'not selling to an individual' comment and Eales, within a day has put the pressure back on Kassam with the latest release:
"My plea is now to make swift progress.
"Wouldn't it be wonderful if the by the end of the season, sooner if possible, that the stadium ownership is resolved for the long term and in the best interests of Oxford United and the community."
No uncertain terms, any delay and this is on you Mr kassam.
Lovely stuff Mr chairman
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 17:41:35 GMT
Working for himself you mean! Nope, exactly what I said. Working together, anyone who thinks this will come off with out all parties working together to each gain something is deluded It's pretty obvious that it has to work for all parties, but we all know Kassam will ONLY come to the party if it enhances his wealth, hence the comment 'working for himself' anyone who doesn't know or think that is deluded.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 17:44:03 GMT
Nope, exactly what I said. Working together, anyone who thinks this will come off with out all parties working together to each gain something is deluded It's pretty obvious that it has to work for all parties, but we all know Kassam will ONLY come to the party if it enhances his wealth, hence the comment 'working for himself' anyone who doesn't know or think that is deluded. Ain't all parties pretty much working for themselves? Apart from oxvox who are working for the best future for Oufc. And seeing they are already further down the line with fk than anyone else has managed maybe fk is like they have said open to the idea and working together.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 17:49:51 GMT
And there it is, the real reason Kassam has spoken to the mail "I dont want to sell to a single individual" he's just letting Eales know he needs to up his bid! How does that work then? FK says he doesn't want to sell to and individual but you think he's trying to up DE bid... Things have just gone up a notch or 2, I wonder if things escalate or they subside and carry on behind the scenes again. Don't understand why Darryl would back the OxVox talks when he's put in 3 bids himself. I'd hazard a guess that deep down he isn't, but you also need to ask why doesn't Kassam seem happy to do any kind of deal with Darryl? It appears that Darryl's & Kassam's relationship isn't a good one. Probably because Darryl has shown Kassam for what he really is and he obviously wouldn't like that, but to sell to the community trust at a lesser value would really be odd for him! No matter how you put this it all seems very odd.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 17:55:20 GMT
It's pretty obvious that it has to work for all parties, but we all know Kassam will ONLY come to the party if it enhances his wealth, hence the comment 'working for himself' anyone who doesn't know or think that is deluded. Ain't all parties pretty much working for themselves? Apart from oxvox who are working for the best future for Oufc. And seeing they are already further down the line with fk than anyone else has managed maybe fk is like they have said open to the idea and working together. You are a very strange person! You're the sort of person who would pussyfoot around Kassam. You've got to give Kassam what he gives. He is only interested in MONEY, so if it doesn't mean him increasing his wealth he won't be interested, whereas, OxVox and the council if they're involved will look at it from all sides hoping all parties benefit from the deal instead of rake take take.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 17:57:34 GMT
Maybe he know that in community ownership it will remain a stadium, but eales could use it as development land at a later date to find a different stadium. You don't understand why eales would back it ? How about because none of his bids have been accapeted, because he may end up getting the final solution he wants without having to fork out as much money, because he will be able to start earning extra revenues that are currently unavailable to him, because it will save him a fortune in rent, not to mention hassle. Yeah dunno why he would back it
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 17:58:59 GMT
Ain't all parties pretty much working for themselves? Apart from oxvox who are working for the best future for Oufc. And seeing they are already further down the line with fk than anyone else has managed maybe fk is like they have said open to the idea and working together. You are a very strange person! You're the sort of person who would pussyfoot around Kassam. You've got to give Kassam what he gives. He is only interested in MONEY, so if it doesn't mean him increasing his wealth he won't be interested, whereas, OxVox and the council if they're involved will look at it from all sides hoping all parties benefit from the deal instead of rake take take. I am looking it from the exact side of oxvox, it's u that's questioned why he would go for that deal!
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Post by bashamwonderland on Oct 8, 2016 18:01:09 GMT
We could name the Oxford Mail stand the 'Kassam stand' and let him build flats on the carpark corners for all I care, just buy it!
Very exciting news today, if we can become sustainable our long term future will be secure at last.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 18:15:41 GMT
You are a very strange person! You're the sort of person who would pussyfoot around Kassam. You've got to give Kassam what he gives. He is only interested in MONEY, so if it doesn't mean him increasing his wealth he won't be interested, whereas, OxVox and the council if they're involved will look at it from all sides hoping all parties benefit from the deal instead of rake take take. I am looking it from the exact side of oxvox, it's u that's questioned why he would go for that deal! And what side is that? And what am I questioning? Answer this question. Why would Darryl put in 3 bids, but is happy with the OxVox talks with Kassam?
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 18:17:04 GMT
We could name the Oxford Mail stand the 'Kassam stand' and let him build flats on the carpark corners for all I care, just buy it! Very exciting news today, if we can become sustainable our long term future will be secure at last. Noooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 18:17:58 GMT
I am looking it from the exact side of oxvox, it's u that's questioned why he would go for that deal! And what side is that? And what am I questioning? Answer this question. Why would Darryl put in 3 bids, but is happy with the OxVox talks with Kassam? Ok again. Because he wants more control over the stadium. The Ability to make money from things like the restaurant and the fourth stand, Both options give him that more than what we currently have . 1 option has been turned down twice already and looks like it won't happen. It's really not that hard to understand is it? You keep saying kassam is only in it for himself and will only do a deal that's right for him, oxvox ain't silly, so the deal that they have put to him in principle will be for the benefit of Oufc, that's their aim, it obviously benefits him as well do an extent that has caught his attention or he wouldn't still be at the table.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 18:31:47 GMT
Maybe he know that in community ownership it will remain a stadium, but eales could use it as development land at a later date to find a different stadium. You don't understand why eales would back it ? How about because none of his bids have been accapeted, because he may end up getting the final solution he wants without having to fork out as much money, because he will be able to start earning extra revenues that are currently unavailable to him, because it will save him a fortune in rent, not to mention hassle. Yeah dunno why he would back it We all know that it would be difficult if not impossible for Kassam to do a deal directly with the council, and even Kassam himself knows that, whereas, I'd like to think that Darryl has a good relationship with the council so possibly could do a deal directly with them. Now let's say Kassam were to sell to Darryl then that would p*ss Kassam off as he would see the £ signs that he could have had go to another businessman! Can't see him being too happy about that, can you. Now, if Kassam can work with the community trust e.g. using them as a mediator to negotiate a deal with the council then that might mean that he could end up with development land, whereby, he can make more money than just selling a stadium for £13m! Having said all of that I still don't fully understand why Darryl would be happy about the talks between OxVox & Kassam. How do you know Darryl would make extra revenue out of the stadium if he doesn't own it?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 18:36:12 GMT
Maybe he know that in community ownership it will remain a stadium, but eales could use it as development land at a later date to find a different stadium. You don't understand why eales would back it ? How about because none of his bids have been accapeted, because he may end up getting the final solution he wants without having to fork out as much money, because he will be able to start earning extra revenues that are currently unavailable to him, because it will save him a fortune in rent, not to mention hassle. Yeah dunno why he would back it We all know that it would be difficult if not impossible for Kassam to do a deal directly with the council, and even Kassam himself knows that, whereas, I'd like to think that Darryl has a good relationship with the council so possibly could do a deal directly with them. Now let's say Kassam were to sell to Darryl then that would p*ss Kassam off as he would see the £ signs that he could have had go to another businessman! Can't see him being too happy about that, can you. Now, if Kassam can work with the community trust e.g. using them as a mediator to negotiate a deal with the council then that might mean that he could end up with development land, whereby, he can make more money than just selling a stadium for £13m! Having said all of that I still don't fully understand why Darryl would be happy about the talks between OxVox & Kassam. How do you know Darryl would make extra revenue out of the stadium if he doesn't own it? Because even if it only matchday streams like the very successful restaurant from last season, the advertising and catering and bar sale it would be more than now, then there is the possibility of the conference and other facilities on non matchdays, but like u say those may depend on what split goes to the trust. My reading of it is it would be non profit making, with Oufc probably paying a small rent to cover maintenance and such, with profit going to the club, the council and other stake holder then also get use of the facilities for their own events. Maybe wrong just how I read it
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 19:29:11 GMT
We all know that it would be difficult if not impossible for Kassam to do a deal directly with the council, and even Kassam himself knows that, whereas, I'd like to think that Darryl has a good relationship with the council so possibly could do a deal directly with them. Now let's say Kassam were to sell to Darryl then that would p*ss Kassam off as he would see the £ signs that he could have had go to another businessman! Can't see him being too happy about that, can you. Now, if Kassam can work with the community trust e.g. using them as a mediator to negotiate a deal with the council then that might mean that he could end up with development land, whereby, he can make more money than just selling a stadium for £13m! Having said all of that I still don't fully understand why Darryl would be happy about the talks between OxVox & Kassam. How do you know Darryl would make extra revenue out of the stadium if he doesn't own it? Because even if it only matchday streams like the very successful restaurant from last season, the advertising and catering and bar sale it would be more than now, then there is the possibility of the conference and other facilities on non matchdays, but like u say those may depend on what split goes to the trust. My reading of it is it would be non profit making, with Oufc probably paying a small rent to cover maintenance and such, with profit going to the club, the council and other stake holder then also get use of the facilities for their own events. Maybe wrong just how I read it I wonder where the community trust money is coming from?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 19:36:21 GMT
Because even if it only matchday streams like the very successful restaurant from last season, the advertising and catering and bar sale it would be more than now, then there is the possibility of the conference and other facilities on non matchdays, but like u say those may depend on what split goes to the trust. My reading of it is it would be non profit making, with Oufc probably paying a small rent to cover maintenance and such, with profit going to the club, the council and other stake holder then also get use of the facilities for their own events. Maybe wrong just how I read it I wonder where the community trust money is coming from? At a guess Daryl Rich fans like Stuart Donald Local business Fans in general Possibly some sort of stadium sponsorship. Maybe a reduction in value from fk Then the council either making up the difference in giving land or permission for him to develop existing. Who knows maybe even kassam stays in part of the trust but no longer owns it in a majority. The way de has spoken I think it's fairly likely even if he had brought it, it would have been placed in some sort of trust. We shall have to wait and see the finer details. 2 things I'm sure about though. It wouldn't have got this far, or been announced if there wasn't a serious possibility it could happen. It's as close as we've ever got to solving the most important issue facing our club.
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Post by minime on Oct 8, 2016 20:44:16 GMT
How does that work then? FK says he doesn't want to sell to and individual but you think he's trying to up DE bid... Things have just gone up a notch or 2, I wonder if things escalate or they subside and carry on behind the scenes again. Don't understand why Darryl would back the OxVox talks when he's put in 3 bids himself. I'd hazard a guess that deep down he isn't, but you also need to ask why doesn't Kassam seem happy to do any kind of deal with Darryl? It appears that Darryl's & Kassam's relationship isn't a good one. Probably because Darryl has shown Kassam for what he really is and he obviously wouldn't like that, but to sell to the community trust at a lesser value would really be odd for him! No matter how you put this it all seems very odd. Not being funny but if DE bid £100m for the stadium, FK would sell it to him!
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Post by londonroader on Oct 8, 2016 20:59:22 GMT
I am looking it from the exact side of oxvox, it's u that's questioned why he would go for that deal! And what side is that? And what am I questioning? Answer this question. Why would Darryl put in 3 bids, but is happy with the OxVox talks with Kassam? Maybe Darryl didn't know of what's been going on behind the scenes between FK and Oxvox, Darryl gets told of the talks going on between the two parties he's hardly likely to come out publicly and vent any displeasure. To get FK to go to the press and agree to disclose what has been happening behind closed doors IS a big deal for all parties, it is a public step forward that he's in agreement with community ownership and that talk have been ongoing towards this aim, Darryl might be miffed that he's not been involved or informed of this situation, but as with a lot of recent stuff between FK & DE there seems to be conflict and they struggle to reach agreements, 4th stand and restaurant are prime examples, to move this club forward we have to deal with FK so someone has to build bridges and trust with the man, whatever peeps views on the man for any previous dealing it's the here and now everyone has to deal with and try and get the best solution for the club.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 8, 2016 21:00:35 GMT
Don't understand why Darryl would back the OxVox talks when he's put in 3 bids himself. I'd hazard a guess that deep down he isn't, but you also need to ask why doesn't Kassam seem happy to do any kind of deal with Darryl? It appears that Darryl's & Kassam's relationship isn't a good one. Probably because Darryl has shown Kassam for what he really is and he obviously wouldn't like that, but to sell to the community trust at a lesser value would really be odd for him! No matter how you put this it all seems very odd. Not being funny but if DE bid £100m for the stadium, FK would sell it to him! But Darryl is a business man and that's not going to happen..
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 21:12:22 GMT
Don't understand why Darryl would back the OxVox talks when he's put in 3 bids himself. I'd hazard a guess that deep down he isn't, but you also need to ask why doesn't Kassam seem happy to do any kind of deal with Darryl? It appears that Darryl's & Kassam's relationship isn't a good one. Probably because Darryl has shown Kassam for what he really is and he obviously wouldn't like that, but to sell to the community trust at a lesser value would really be odd for him! No matter how you put this it all seems very odd. Not being funny but if DE bid £100m for the stadium, FK would sell it to him! I agree which is my point, Kassam is only out for himself.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 8, 2016 21:23:51 GMT
Surely until we know more or discussions get a lot further along the track, it is impossible to make much comment apart from to applaud OxVox for their efforts and to bear in mind that those talking to FK aren't wet behind the ears and aren't ignorant of his track record, character and motivations. It MUST be a good thing that at least discussions are going on.
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Post by northcornishyellow on Oct 8, 2016 21:30:00 GMT
Well yes but ultimately aren't we all out for ourselves - even DE (or is he the second coming of Christ - possibly and I am willing to consider that given what he is doing for OUFC). We may have the best interests of the club at our hearts but that's because the club doing well makes us happy - that may well not be kassams motivation but if we are honest our own self interest is at the heart of pretty much everything we do. I don't see why that's a reason to criticise him he just a selfish human being like the rest of us. I think he's trying to take the higher moral ground because that kind of justifies all his actions so far and actually if he delivers on what he has said in the reasonably near future then surely that would be a good thing for all of us.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 8, 2016 21:30:27 GMT
Surely until we know more or discussions get a lot further along the track, it is impossible to make much comment apart from to applaud OxVox for their efforts and to bear in mind that those talking to FK aren't wet behind the ears and aren't ignorant of his track record, character and motivations. It MUST be a good thing that at least discussions are going on. I've been banging that drum all day. Let's forget the past eh, in the interests of taking the club forward.
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