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Post by foley on Sept 12, 2016 12:41:46 GMT
I know that there has been some discussion on additional follow up work being done by Oxvox. Is there an estimated timescale of when the members may receive an update.
Also does Oxvox/ those close to this issue have a view as to whether the team's success means it less likely that our dear friend Mr K will sell the ground if the funds are ever available?
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Post by Jem on Sept 13, 2016 13:28:25 GMT
Hi Foley
I'm afraid it's tricky to set timescales on when a clearer picture may emerge and when we'll be able to properly communicate with members. Sorry to be evasive, we'd looked to be in a position to give some 'firm' news a few weeks back, but discussions with a couple of the key stakeholders are taking rather longer than anticipated.
We have a committee meeting next Friday and will discuss next steps. We'll communicate out through the minutes.
Cheers
Jem
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Post by foley on Sept 13, 2016 13:31:49 GMT
OK no problem Jem.
I was just wondering as things had gone quiet. I guess that I am not surprised that a couple of the key stakeholders are taking longer than anticipated!!
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Post by harrycarry on Sept 13, 2016 14:17:36 GMT
I'm sure if we had enough £ Mr Firoz would be a breeze, but that's obviously the problem we don't have 15 or 20M that would give us control.
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 13, 2016 15:22:23 GMT
Not so sure fk would sell, unless offered 'silly money' - he's got it rolling in from the rent we pay -and is getting away with minimum maintenance, and now he's got us tenants paying for an extension that he wants to charge yet more rent for!! No need to sell, not as though he's strapped for cash, is he? That might be the time he might listen- if he had a massive project and he needed significant funds for it.
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Post by foley on Sept 13, 2016 16:00:56 GMT
Not so sure fk would sell, unless offered 'silly money' - he's got it rolling in from the rent we pay -and is getting away with minimum maintenance, and now he's got us tenants paying for an extension that he wants to charge yet more rent for!! No need to sell, not as though he's strapped for cash, is he? That might be the time he might listen- if he had a massive project and he needed significant funds for it. I assume that he would sell but it may be linked to other developments. The council could help us by making life difficult for him in his planning applications, especially as he has broken his part of deals in the past (such as the Priory). FK always maintained that the Stadium is worth £15 and he would sell for that. I assume he will sell at that amount in the right circumstances.
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 13, 2016 17:12:52 GMT
Not so sure fk would sell, unless offered 'silly money' - he's got it rolling in from the rent we pay -and is getting away with minimum maintenance, and now he's got us tenants paying for an extension that he wants to charge yet more rent for!! No need to sell, not as though he's strapped for cash, is he? That might be the time he might listen- if he had a massive project and he needed significant funds for it. I assume that he would sell but it may be linked to other developments. The council could help us by making life difficult for him in his planning applications, especially as he has broken his part of deals in the past (such as the Priory). FK always maintained that the Stadium is worth £15 and he would sell for that. I assume he will sell at that amount in the right circumstances. I think we could raise £15 in no time. ;o)
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 13, 2016 18:47:43 GMT
I've just nipped in with a quick bid and bought it for 20 quid.
Sorry though, I've had to raise the rent, charge for car parking and double the price of the beer because I had to borrow the money from Wonga and the interest is a bitch!
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Post by lambchop on Oct 8, 2016 6:37:40 GMT
I bet if he sells - 1) the car parks will not be part of the sale 2) he will then find a away to charge for parking on his car park 3) the sale will be with a "it must be called the Kassam stadium for life" clause 4) there will be a charge for using his name 5) there will be loads of other little clauses in there shafting us for ever
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 7:05:49 GMT
Well well well. Kassam was working with us all along
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Post by oldham on Oct 8, 2016 7:10:25 GMT
Yeah, Agent Firoz
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 7:13:50 GMT
Was kind of what I was saying about any action against him, it could have had a completely different affect. It would have completely buggered this up for one . Need to just let oxvox keep doing what they have started, and trust them and daryl to come to an agreement with fk
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 8, 2016 7:25:21 GMT
What a load of b*llshit. So he wont sell to an individual, so who's going to buy it, The council ? The government ? Oxvox ? Is DE going to raise £15 mill to buy the stadium only to hand it over to "the community ? "
"Whatever I do, I want to secure the ground to the football club and not any individuals – that has always been my priority.
I have always said I would be willing to sell, it just has to be done in the right way so it is not abused by anybody further down the line.
I do not want to jeopardise the future of the club in any way" WTF, "not to abused further down the line" LIKE I DID !!! "Jeopardise the the future of the club in any way" LIKE AN OWNER WHO HAS NEARLY BANKRUPTED THE CLUB WITH MASSIVE RENT CHARGES . Not knocking anything done by DE,Oxvox or any other body with the clubs interests at heart. But this leech is after everything he can screw out of OUFC and doesn't give a flying f*ck about us or OUR club.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 7:32:43 GMT
By making sure no one else can do anything in the future, he is also protecting his other interests around it. Like u say I doubt he's giving it away entirely and money will have to come from a few places, maybe some from the club, and an agreement for planning permission from the council for his overflow carpark and stuff. At the end of the day that's what the talks will be about, and I'm sure oxvox ain't stupid and will get a deal best for Oufc not fizzy k. You could be a little bit happy, it the closest we have been to having the stadium back with the club in 16 years
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 7:45:36 GMT
By making sure no one else can do anything in the future, he is also protecting his other interests around it. Like u say I doubt he's giving it away entirely and money will have to come from a few places, maybe some from the club, and an agreement for planning permission from the council for his overflow carpark and stuff. At the end of the day that's what the talks will be about, and I'm sure oxvox ain't stupid and will get a deal best for Oufc not fizzy k. You could be a little bit happy, it the closest we have been to having the stadium back with the club in 16 years I bet part of the deal is, the would be buyers have to relinquish the over flow car park so he can use it for development. And I bet there's more! Bit concerned about the non involvement of Eales! I wonder if he's happy?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 7:49:07 GMT
By making sure no one else can do anything in the future, he is also protecting his other interests around it. Like u say I doubt he's giving it away entirely and money will have to come from a few places, maybe some from the club, and an agreement for planning permission from the council for his overflow carpark and stuff. At the end of the day that's what the talks will be about, and I'm sure oxvox ain't stupid and will get a deal best for Oufc not fizzy k. You could be a little bit happy, it the closest we have been to having the stadium back with the club in 16 years I bet part of the deal is, the would be buyers have to relinquish the over flow car park so he can use it for development. And I bet there's more! Bit concerned about the non involvement of Eales! I wonder if he's happy? I'm sure he will be delighted, as he's already stated staying is his preferred option, and it would mean while there is probably still a rent it won't be anyway near as high, and day to day things like tea and coffee, the restaurant and temp stand will go through easily and start making the club more money. I think the overflow carpark is already separate land isn't it
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 8, 2016 7:49:35 GMT
I don't know whether to be optimistic or sceptical. Community owned sounds like another way of saying that whoever FK sells to will still not be able to realise the true value of the land should it prove beneficial to move. On the other hand, the club should be then, at last, in a position to benefit from the stadium income. How would this be financed? How much would be allowed to come from private investment and who would retain control? Will this "deal" include the car parks or at a minimum, access at no cost?
On the other hand, huge respect for those who have pushed the whole affair this far. It must have been hard going with all the emotional overtones. Well done!
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Post by londonroader on Oct 8, 2016 9:10:39 GMT
Well done to all those involved, it's a starting point.. Whether the process will come to a conclusion that fully suits the club who knows, but there are peeps out there doing their best to forward a ground ownership and hopefully the security of our club.
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 8, 2016 9:26:41 GMT
Proceeding with caution might be wise, fk seems fond of writing headlines but with little substance. 'Take you on a journey' 'Invest mega millions in the club' 'I don't like seeing a half built stadium with my name on it' 'I am the custodian of oufc' etc etc..
The statement by OxVox though does give reasons for optimism, but, look at the wrangling and impasse over a proposed temporary 4th stand for a reality check.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 8, 2016 10:06:25 GMT
Do not trust a word FK says, well done to OxVox but its a statement which means nothing really.
What is this 'community' ?
He will do what he wants, build his flats etc and we will be shafted yet again!
Not being negative and hope I am proved wrong but I sadly doubt it..
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 8, 2016 10:14:04 GMT
By making sure no one else can do anything in the future, he is also protecting his other interests around it. Like u say I doubt he's giving it away entirely and money will have to come from a few places, maybe some from the club, and an agreement for planning permission from the council for his overflow carpark and stuff. At the end of the day that's what the talks will be about, and I'm sure oxvox ain't stupid and will get a deal best for Oufc not fizzy k. You could be a little bit happy, it the closest we have been to having the stadium back with the club in 16 years I bet part of the deal is, the would be buyers have to relinquish the over flow car park so he can use it for development. And I bet there's more! Bit concerned about the non involvement of Eales! I wonder if he's happy?
Been thinking much the same, couldn't possibly be a plan by fk to drive a wedge between the fan base and DE, could it?!!
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Post by foley on Oct 8, 2016 10:54:54 GMT
I am not sure who went or has read the Oxvox notes to the meeting a month or so ago?
Jem/ Colin said that the plan is to but the Ground as a community asset. So no one individual could own it and do effectively what FK did in the past.
The council would be involved. The plan of course would be for the club to gain from this. DE I assume must be happy with the idea as he was at the meeting and certainly expressed no negativity about the idea.
I appreciate that the devil will be in the detail, but it would appear to be the best option as DE can't afford it (I assume) and it is clearly critical that the ground is purchased by people positive to the club. I assume that the detail will be announced relatively if the council and other stakeholders are playing ball ......
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Post by minime on Oct 8, 2016 10:57:42 GMT
Over the last couple of weeks the club and the natives have becomerestless and started to talk of protests and boycots etc and then all of a sudden this statement appears
Hmmmmmmm..........................
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 11:12:01 GMT
I think the point some are missing is, it was oxvox idea put to mr kassam about community ownership, not a kassam idea to somehow shaft the club!
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Post by Colin B on Oct 8, 2016 11:49:31 GMT
Over the last couple of weeks the club and the natives have becomerestless and started to talk of protests and boycots etc and then all of a sudden this statement appears Hmmmmmmm.......................... If you really think these talks have only been going on for "the last couple of weeks" you have absolutely no idea of how these things work.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 8, 2016 12:29:58 GMT
Asking questions about any proposed deal is understandable and healthy, but people should realise that OxVox probably aren't at liberty to divulge any detail at the moment.
As for those who adopt the 'it's Kassam so it must be dodgy' stand point, try putting the long term success of the club in focus, rather than bleating on about your personal prejudices.
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Post by yellowoptimist on Oct 8, 2016 12:32:36 GMT
I bet part of the deal is, the would be buyers have to relinquish the over flow car park so he can use it for development. And I bet there's more! Bit concerned about the non involvement of Eales! I wonder if he's happy? I'm sure he will be delighted, as he's already stated staying is his preferred option, and it would mean while there is probably still a rent it won't be anyway near as high, and day to day things like tea and coffee, the restaurant and temp stand will go through easily and start making the club more money. I think the overflow carpark is already separate land isn't it If the Oxvox and Kassam discussions so positive why not progress on the temp stand and restaurant etc already ?
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 8, 2016 12:42:40 GMT
Asking questions about any proposed deal is understandable and healthy, but people should realise that OxVox probably aren't at liberty to divulge any detail at the moment. As for those who adopt the 'it's Kassam so it must be dodgy' stand point, try putting the long term success of the club in focus, rather than bleating on about your personal prejudices. Talk, is, as they say - cheap. fk is the master of promising the earth and delivering only disappointment, he's done this time and again - so what makes some people think this time and this situation will be any different? So I for one do-not blame anyone who treads carefully where kassam is concerned. Nothing to do with 'prejudices' and all to do with past experience/s and taking a 'Once bitten twice shy' stance. If that's 'bleating' then so be it.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 8, 2016 12:50:22 GMT
Asking questions about any proposed deal is understandable and healthy, but people should realise that OxVox probably aren't at liberty to divulge any detail at the moment. As for those who adopt the 'it's Kassam so it must be dodgy' stand point, try putting the long term success of the club in focus, rather than bleating on about your personal prejudices. Talk, is, as they say - cheap. fk is the master of promising the earth and delivering only disappointment, he's done this time and again - so what makes some people think this time and this situation will be any different? So I for one do-not blame anyone who treads carefully where kassam is concerned. Nothing to do with 'prejudices' and all to do with past experience/s and taking a 'Once bitten twice shy' stance. If that's 'bleating' then so be it. The more sensible and business-like approach is, of course, to let this proposal play out rather than assuming Kassam is trying to rip us off. When the final deal is available for scrutiny, comments will be worthwhile. Right now, anti-Kassam comments are just unhelpful bleating.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 13:11:02 GMT
I'm sure he will be delighted, as he's already stated staying is his preferred option, and it would mean while there is probably still a rent it won't be anyway near as high, and day to day things like tea and coffee, the restaurant and temp stand will go through easily and start making the club more money. I think the overflow carpark is already separate land isn't it If the Oxvox and Kassam discussions so positive why not progress on the temp stand and restaurant etc already ? Because that's not what they have been discussing maybe . And secondly this is progress, if the club /community own the stadium there will be no issues over restaurant/ temp stand from then onwards.
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