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Post by sarge on Feb 3, 2016 13:07:34 GMT
With the army of armoured robocops, plus TVPs menagerie divisions in attendance (dogs and two grand national worth of horses)..... WHY did TVP, headed on the night by Superintendant Christian Blunt, manage to (yet again) totally f*ck up ?
Letting Millwall fans out at the final whistle was a ridiculous decision.... grid locked car park, with horses and armoured robocops dashing here there and everywhere, adding to and compounding the car park park chaos. IF, like at many 'catagory A' matches , the visiting hoardes were kept in the ground until home supporters had vacated the area last night, there wouldnt have been pockets of scuffles breaking out 'everywhere'
Can Oxvox ask the club at the next meeting, WHO made the decision to allow Millwall to exit at the same time as home fans, and WHY?
As well as the blatantly obvious inevitable random pockets of confrontations and scuffles ....most of which happened away from the various foot and mounted stormtrooper divisions, who 'arrived' after the event time and time again.... TVPs mismanagement seriously contributed to it taking an hour plus to exit the carpark( and overflow) at the fence end.....scuffles and extended carpark chaos post match could easily have been avoided by keeping the Millwall support in the ground for 30 mins. I suspect TVP have an agenda when it comes to 'policing' football matches in Oxford that doesnt involve avoiding incidents, on last nights effort it seems like TVP, headed by Superintendent Blunt , are doing all they can to provoke, instigate and cause trouble!
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Post by Jem on Feb 3, 2016 13:11:06 GMT
Will do Sarge.
Cheers
Jem
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Post by ascotyellow on Feb 3, 2016 13:20:20 GMT
With the home fans mostly staying in the stadium to celebrate at the end they might have (wrongly) thought it was ok
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Post by Colin B on Feb 3, 2016 13:26:01 GMT
I think the issues before the game that ensured that 1,000 to 2,000 people missed kick off need looking at too.
Some were Stadco related and some TVP related. Also stories of police on horses abusing Oxford fans queuing to get in. Think this might keep you busy Jem, give me a call if you want any background.
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Post by ox18 on Feb 3, 2016 13:27:59 GMT
With the army of armoured robocops, plus TVPs menagerie divisions in attendance (dogs and two grand national worth of horses)..... WHY did TVP, headed on the night by Superintendant Christian Blunt, managed to (yet again) totally f*ck up ? Letting Millwall fans out at the final whistle was a ridiculous decision.... grid locked car park, with horses and armoured robocops dashing here there and everywhere, adding to and compounding the car park park chaos. IF, like at many 'catagory A' matches , the visiting hoardes were kept in the ground until home supporters had vacated the area last night, there wouldnt have been pockets of scuffles breaking out 'everywhere' Can Oxvox ask the club at the next meeting, WHO made the decision to allow Millwall to exit at the same time as home fans, and WHY? Exactly, they pen in 1500 fans of a club with a history of trouble. Parade up and down with their riot hats and dogs. Then when they are at their most frustrated and aggressive having lost the tie, push them straight out into the middle of thousands of Oxford fans purely heading back to the car park. Even a ten year old kid could have worked that one out. Typical TVP, Apart from Luton, every other police force seem to be able to cope with opposing crowds, not our lot. The club should have a lot of questions to be answered by the idiot in charge.
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Post by 54-46 on Feb 3, 2016 13:36:20 GMT
With the army of armoured robocops, plus TVPs menagerie divisions in attendance (dogs and two grand national worth of horses)..... WHY did TVP, headed on the night by Superintendant Christian Blunt, managed to (yet again) totally f*ck up ? Letting Millwall fans out at the final whistle was a ridiculous decision.... grid locked car park, with horses and armoured robocops dashing here there and everywhere, adding to and compounding the car park park chaos. IF, like at many 'catagory A' matches , the visiting hoardes were kept in the ground until home supporters had vacated the area last night, there wouldnt have been pockets of scuffles breaking out 'everywhere' Can Oxvox ask the club at the next meeting, WHO made the decision to allow Millwall to exit at the same time as home fans, and WHY? Exactly, they pen in 1500 fans of a club with a history of trouble. Parade up and down with their riot hats and dogs. Then when they are at their most frustrated and aggressive having lost the tie, push them straight out into the middle of thousands of Oxford fans purely heading back to the car park. Even a ten year old kid could have worked that one out. Typical TVP, Apart from Luton, every other police force seem to be able to cope with opposing crowds, not our lot. The club should have a lot of questions to be answered by the idiot in charge. I thought the Wiltshire Police were pretty good at the first game back at the skip in 2010.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 3, 2016 13:52:24 GMT
Can Oxvox ask the club at the next meeting, WHO made the decision to allow Millwall to exit at the same time as home fans, and WHY? I think the question might be 'on what ostensible grounds?' rather than 'why?'. TVP seem to enjoy these operations immensely, since they get paid for doing them as well it's only natural that they are keen to encourage trouble to make sure of bigger and better spectaculars in future. The notion that TVP are a public service organisation should be dismissed from our minds.
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Post by sarge on Feb 3, 2016 13:58:12 GMT
With the army of armoured robocops, plus TVPs menagerie divisions in attendance (dogs and two grand national worth of horses)..... WHY did TVP, headed on the night by Superintendant Christian Blunt, managed to (yet again) totally f*ck up ? Letting Millwall fans out at the final whistle was a ridiculous decision.... grid locked car park, with horses and armoured robocops dashing here there and everywhere, adding to and compounding the car park park chaos. IF, like at many 'catagory A' matches , the visiting hoardes were kept in the ground until home supporters had vacated the area last night, there wouldnt have been pockets of scuffles breaking out 'everywhere' Can Oxvox ask the club at the next meeting, WHO made the decision to allow Millwall to exit at the same time as home fans, and WHY? Exactly, they pen in 1500 fans of a club with a history of trouble. Parade up and down with their riot hats and dogs. Then when they are at their most frustrated and aggressive having lost the tie, push them straight out into the middle of thousands of Oxford fans purely heading back to the car park. Even a ten year old kid could have worked that one out. Typical TVP, Apart from Luton, every other police force seem to be able to cope with opposing crowds, not our lot. The club should have a lot of questions to be answered by the idiot in charge.TVP commander last night was Superintendent Christian Blunt in the Oxford Mail hes quoted saying Tonight’s match is an all ticketed event and will be working with the club to make sure those fans attending have a safe and enjoyable evening. link - www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14247852.Police_horses_arrive_in_Oxford_as_city_gears_up_for_cup_tie_with_Millwall/?ref=mr&lp=5at best hes deluded, in reality I suspect hes just a liar based on his 'policing' last night
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Post by Eaststandboy on Feb 3, 2016 20:17:41 GMT
As I said in another post, after the game, as we were queing to go down the stairs towards the park in BBL, I was helping an elderly family member down the steps, she uses a walking stick. Some TVP walked forward and pushed some one towards the stairs, causing people to almost fal down the stairs.
And also before the game, they made hundreds of us go through the single person gate and not the alley way, caused congestion and almost crushing!
Idiots.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 3, 2016 20:21:34 GMT
Was just speaking to someone who went taking his 7 year old to his first game. He said the kid is still shaken after they were charged at by a police horse, just managing to drag him out the way. Said it really took the shine off the experience and when asked this evening if he wanted to go to Wembley the kid said no. While I know they have a hard job and must be pretty scary for them as well having their horses attacked and bottled, they seem to then take the view that it's them against everyone. And forget there are innocent people caught up amongst it
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Post by mcf86 on Feb 3, 2016 20:42:09 GMT
Was just speaking to someone who went taking his 7 year old to his first game. He said the kid is still shaken after they were charged at by a police horse, just managing to drag him out the way. Said it really took the shine off the experience and when asked this evening if he wanted to go to Wembley the kid said no. While I know they have a hard job and must be pretty scary for them as well having their horses attacked and bottled, they seem to then take the view that it's them against everyone. And forget there are innocent people caught up amongst it I and my son had exactly the same 'Experience' in a match against the scum, only just managed to drag him out of the way after seeing it bearing down out the corner of my eye, only 'offence' we were committing was walking home!!
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Post by horseman on Feb 3, 2016 21:02:27 GMT
as wall would say themselves tvp don't like us we are football fans
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Post by yellowg on Feb 4, 2016 21:30:12 GMT
I drove past a line of coppers opposite bowl plex circa 8pm.
Judging by the excitement on some of their faces, I got the feeling they were treating it like a real life training exercise, and that they were counting on an escalation of violence to put theory in to practice.
I guess you learn a hell of a lot more when things get tasty. I think TVP keeping oxford and millwall apart wasn't the objective.
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Post by Long John Silver on Feb 4, 2016 21:48:01 GMT
I think the issues before the game that ensured that 1,000 to 2,000 people missed kick off need looking at too. Some were Stadco related and some TVP related. Also stories of police on horses abusing Oxford fans queuing to get in. Think this might keep you busy Jem, give me a call if you want any background. Only having two out of the four turnstiles open on the right side of the East stand was the cause of the massive queues there. Is that an oufc or stadco decision? I really can't understand that, as the same thing happened at the Blackburn match.... at which they finally opened a third turnstile about 3 minutes before kick off! No lesson learned there obviously.
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Post by mermaid on Feb 4, 2016 22:03:59 GMT
I had an email from Sarah Gooding in response to my complaint about closed turnstiles in the North stand, 2 open four closed. She blamed this on no shows. I would have thought that you don't need a degree in rocket science to be a turnstile operator, so why not have a pool of backup people.
No contingency planning!
I won't bother you with people blocking the gangways and packing next to the netting! FFS get a grip on this DE, it's not as if the club hasn't had THREE big home matches already this year!
Pathetic and against H&S rules.
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Post by harrycarry on Feb 4, 2016 22:10:28 GMT
I had an email from Sarah Gooding in response to my complaint about closed turnstiles in the North stand, 2 open four closed. She blamed this on no shows. I would have thought that you don't need a degree in rocket science to be a turnstile operator, so why not have a pool of backup people. No contingency planning! I won't bother you with people blocking the gangways and packing next to the netting! FFS get a grip on this DE, it's not as if the club hasn't had THREE big home matches already this year! Pathetic and against H&S rules. Not to have any back ups for turn-styles is appalling planning. Really basic organisation.
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Post by Junior on Feb 5, 2016 2:06:56 GMT
It was the same on the left side as well. I as well got the same line about the staff not turning up. Didn't bother asking about the Swansea and Blackburn games when it happened as well.
Me thinks she may be spinning us. Line or two.
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 5, 2016 6:53:42 GMT
I remember speaking to a copper once and he said when they put on riot gear they become different people. Basically the biggest firm of thugs are those in uniforms!
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 5, 2016 6:56:36 GMT
I think the issues before the game that ensured that 1,000 to 2,000 people missed kick off need looking at too. Some were Stadco related and some TVP related. Also stories of police on horses abusing Oxford fans queuing to get in. Think this might keep you busy Jem, give me a call if you want any background. Only having two out of the four turnstiles open on the right side of the East stand was the cause of the massive queues there. Is that an oufc or stadco decision? I really can't understand that, as the same thing happened at the Blackburn match.... at which they finally opened a third turnstile about 3 minutes before kick off! No lesson learned there obviously. Oufc contracted staff to operate them, they didn't turn up . And I really don't think Sarah is spinning a line. She's been a breath of fresh air to this club and done some quality things. I know this is gonna sound like defending the club , but like u said its only happened 3 times in de charge. That's a lot to learn and get right quickly on how to deal with large crowds. Same with the parking in the corporate areas, it's been a shambles this season for cup games. But they have taken note and tried each time to improve it. I did however feel and said at the time when u could see the amount of people outside, that they could have delayed kick off by 10mins
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Post by Eaststandboy on Feb 5, 2016 7:02:05 GMT
I had an email from Sarah Gooding in response to my complaint about closed turnstiles in the North stand, 2 open four closed. She blamed this on no shows. I would have thought that you don't need a degree in rocket science to be a turnstile operator, so why not have a pool of backup people. No contingency planning! I won't bother you with people blocking the gangways and packing next to the netting! FFS get a grip on this DE, it's not as if the club hasn't had THREE big home matches already this year! Pathetic and against H&S rules. But I thought the idea of the club getting these ticket scanners would mean they don't need a person to scan it, like Pompey... That way all turnstiles can be open!
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Post by oufcgav on Feb 5, 2016 7:11:09 GMT
I had an email from Sarah Gooding in response to my complaint about closed turnstiles in the North stand, 2 open four closed. She blamed this on no shows. I would have thought that you don't need a degree in rocket science to be a turnstile operator, so why not have a pool of backup people. No contingency planning! I won't bother you with people blocking the gangways and packing next to the netting! FFS get a grip on this DE, it's not as if the club hasn't had THREE big home matches already this year! Pathetic and against H&S rules. But I thought the idea of the club getting these ticket scanners would mean they don't need a person to scan it, like Pompey... That way all turnstiles can be open! Eventually, but that will involve making changes to the turnstiles, which means negotiations with the owner.
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Post by Junior on Feb 5, 2016 9:28:08 GMT
It takes longer to get in now than it did when they just tore the ticket from your book.
I asked the chap scanning my ticket and he said the club didn't have enough staff to open up more doors. Maybe they didn't turn up, maybe they haven't enough, who knows the truth. But if I didn't turn up for work 3 shifts in quick succession, I'd be in the shit. So why has this happened in the Swansea, Blackburn & Millwall games? All 3 just so happened to be a sell out in the home ends.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 5, 2016 10:01:25 GMT
There surely isn't that much to operating the turnstiles? Especially when there are stewards checking the tickets before people get there as at the Millwall game.
Point the scanner at the ticket, wait for the green tick, release the gate, click the person counter (do they still even have to do that?). Surely they can give a few members of staff a 2 minute bit of training so if anyone doesn't turn up there is cover? Especially so if if has already happened two large matches in a row?
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Post by Junior on Feb 5, 2016 10:10:55 GMT
There were 3 stewards stood by the gate (left side, east) just watching. As Zero said, it wouldn't take much for one of them to help out and ease the congestion.
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Post by dolly on Feb 5, 2016 12:22:41 GMT
I remember speaking to a copper once and he said when they put on riot gear they become different people. Basically the biggest firm of thugs are those in uniforms! I wrote to TVP after the Bristol Rover game a few years ago. The Police don't know how to handle themselves at football grounds and treat all supporters like thugs but act like thugs themselves! After 3-4 months of chasing them up, I finally gave up and told them to forget it. The guy in charge of policing football for TVP is clueless.
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Post by mcf86 on Feb 5, 2016 13:57:47 GMT
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Post by oxvox on Feb 5, 2016 14:31:50 GMT
Hi all
Just to let you know that we spoke to Darryl Eales yesterday and he's keen to discuss fans concerns regarding all aspects of Tuesday nights game. We hope to meet him and his team within a fortnight.
DE had already been contacted by a number of fans regarding the policing on the night, issues in getting in to the game, as well as the behaviour of some of our fans and the fans of Millwall. As always, he's committed to try and do his best for all our fans and make the experience of supporting OUFC as pleasurable as possible.
Please do keep your thoughts coming and we'll then be better placed to accurately represent fans views
Many thanks
Jem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 14:32:56 GMT
Fascinating watch. I think it could do with an Attenborough voice over...
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Post by holdsteady on Feb 5, 2016 16:25:08 GMT
Their have been long cues since before Xmas at games on the right side of the east stand, for the first couple of games it was because a turnstile had broken down and it was then fixed minutes before, now its that people are not turning up.
It always seems to be the right side as well, even on lesser attented games. The new card system seems to have made things worse on this front.
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Post by bicesterox on Feb 6, 2016 14:21:33 GMT
Just sat and watched that TVP could learn a bit there, they just provoke it then use video against you, Yorkshire contained it mostly by segregation, dispersed them, slowly, and got millwall away. Wonder if 'Millwall' was there, all his crap about cowards walk, they stayed in the ground long enough When Wiltshire announced we'd be kept in one night we just took the gates down lol
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