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Post by oldham on Oct 26, 2016 8:06:53 GMT
We are going to miss Anderson for at least the first half of the series in India. Last time out four years ago he was the main difference between the sides.
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 26, 2016 8:37:56 GMT
Oh I agree. Would have like a 3 test series. Just putting it out there on what will likely happen in the next test in preparation for india in November. Yup. 2 Test "series" are not series are they? I'd love to have seen 3 against Bangladesh this time and Sri Lanka in the past. The biggest travesty was the 2 test series v New Zealand last year, there was some fantastic cricket played in that tour across all 3 formats. I hope the ECB rectify this the next time they tour.
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Post by tonyw on Oct 26, 2016 19:28:43 GMT
Look at this 2 test series as a warm up for India and the 5 tests we face. That's a bit disrespectful to Bangladesh, isn't it? Surely the match proved that on their own pitches in their own conditions they are a side to be taken seriously, on their own merits? Being devil's advocate - they still have to prove that, don't they? They've still never beaten anyone other than Zimbabwe and the West Indies at test level - both of whom have had very well documented shortcomings over the past decade - and have an overall record of Won 7, Lost 72. From my perspective, until they start winning games of cricket on at least a semi-regular basis, England are right to play the minimum # of tests against them in favour of playing more against India. (although if we end up losing 5-0 against India because of the weaknesses in our batting and spin bowling.....then I might revise this view!) We used to only play one or two games against Sri Lanka. Once they'd proven themselves to be a decent Test team - they quickly got a full 3-Test series.
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Post by Junior on Oct 26, 2016 20:23:07 GMT
I'm not seeing the 5-0 like everyone seems to be.
Yes our batting is suspect but that's only 1 spot for me. That's at 4. Hopefully Ballance ( he won't be dropped ) finds form and gets back to his form in which he started his test career.
The spin area is weak and if Rashid plays the Indians will go after big time. Ansari is a interesting pick, been on England's radar for a few years now through the u19s and would have played before now if not for injuries. Hopefully he performs well and we don't see Batty playing any tests in India!
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Post by oldham on Oct 26, 2016 20:35:53 GMT
Bring back "Deadly" Derek Underwood!
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Post by makv on Oct 26, 2016 20:45:11 GMT
Bring back "Deadly" Derek Underwood! And John Emburey
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 26, 2016 20:52:28 GMT
As well as Philippe Edmonds?
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Post by tonyw on Oct 26, 2016 21:08:12 GMT
I'm not seeing the 5-0 like everyone seems to be. Yes our batting is suspect but that's only 1 spot for me. That's at 4. Hopefully Ballance ( he won't be dropped ) finds form and gets back to his form in which he started his test career. The spin area is weak and if Rashid plays the Indians will go after big time. Ansari is a interesting pick, been on England's radar for a few years now through the u19s and would have played before now if not for injuries. Hopefully he performs well and we don't see Batty playing any tests in India! And at 2, surely? Our middle order is good, and our late order is simply outstanding - but Cook & Root are the only batsmen in our top four that we can be confident about. Obviously we hope that two from Hameed, Duckett & Ballance come good......but they ain't proved it yet (or in the case of Ballance, recently). But I agree that we shouldn't feel we don't have a chance. India have not tended to produce ridiculous turning wickets recently - they've mostly been fairly dead, which means seam bowling comes into play and we should be well ahead of them in that regard. The main concern is getting enough top order wickets - Pujara-Kohli-Rahane have been an excellent 3-4-5 for them recently.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 29, 2016 5:50:44 GMT
Why oh why do we pick so many left handed batsmen for tours of the sub continent ? Seems to me spin bowlers have it far easier against "lefties" Cook,Duckett,Moeen,Stokes,Balance,Ansari,(Broad) An unnatural amount as only 10% (ish) of the population are left handed. Top scorers so Far, Root 56 and Bairstow 24 both right handed. Highest score by a leftie 14. As for Ballance ? How anyone can stand up for him because of what he did in 2014 is beyond me,ruthlessly exposed by pace against the Aussies cant play spin. Im all for sticking with a player through a bad spell,but in his last 20 innings he averages 18.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 29, 2016 7:27:43 GMT
Right hand batsmen so far,56,24,30,23, 133 and counting. L/H 14,7,9,10,0,13, 53 all out.
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Post by nige01ox on Oct 29, 2016 11:17:30 GMT
Rashid's bowling has been dire. He's alright in one day cricket where the batsmen have to look to score because that creates wicket chances, but here they can just block the good balls and score off the 1 or 2 freebies he's offering up every single over.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 30, 2016 9:35:38 GMT
Bye bye Ballance.
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Post by makv on Oct 30, 2016 10:10:17 GMT
This Mehedi is a bit of all right
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 30, 2016 10:52:46 GMT
Going to be long hard series against India, our batting against spin on the sub continent is shocking, our top order is struggling and you just know they will collapse.
Hard to blame just one player but Ballance can't carry on, he isn't scoring and doesn't look like coming close to turning that round.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 30, 2016 10:54:27 GMT
I agree about Ballance, he is having a terrible time.
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Post by Junior on Oct 30, 2016 10:59:22 GMT
If we are resting and looking at players, why hasn't Hammed been looked at? What's the point of going and carrying the drinks? Win, lose or draw it would have been the ideal time to bed him into the team.
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Post by makv on Oct 30, 2016 12:23:25 GMT
We are going to miss Anderson for at least the first half of the series in India. Last time out four years ago he was the main difference between the sides. My memory possibly fails, but wasn't it Swann and Panesar (and Pietersen)?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 30, 2016 12:29:21 GMT
Decided to open a stream and watch the match when I saw the teatime score. Some of the worst batting against spin I have ever seen.
Probably be another ten years before my next watch.
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Post by makv on Oct 30, 2016 12:35:45 GMT
Decided to open a stream and watch the match when I saw the teatime score. Some of the worst batting against spin I have ever seen. Probably be another ten years before my next watch. Daytripper!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 30, 2016 13:40:39 GMT
Ballance should have not have been picked in the summer of the basis of one good knock for Yorkshire - his form before was dreadful. Teams have found him out and while his average maybe decent, he needs to start again technique wise if he wants to play more test match cricket. Club cricketers would fancy getting him out. Vince was another odd pick because he showed little aptitude for anything other than nicking balls to the slips.
This series would have been a great opportunity to give Haseeb exposure to test match cricket to see if he is ready, but we wasted it on playing a middle order batsmen as an opener and an all rounder at 5.
That aside, Ben Stokes has stepped up a lot in this series and looks to be quite a player. A better top order would put less pressure on him and Bairstow to get the team out of bother all of the time. Bayliss has a lot of work to do get the top order back to a poor standard from where we are now.
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 9, 2016 5:02:45 GMT
Drinks on the first morning of the first test in India,5.0am,Hameed has 25,more than Ballance scored in 4 innings in Bangladesh.
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 9, 2016 5:05:31 GMT
FFS,first ball after drinks,Cook out LBW,should have reviewed,would have missed leg stump.
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 9, 2016 5:29:59 GMT
Tempting fate, but Hamid looks decent and the line up has a more solid feel to it. Still going to be a long series for England but need to bat sensibly and build innings.
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 9, 2016 6:21:07 GMT
101-3, guess I spoke to soon, our top order is so fragile.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 9, 2016 8:45:45 GMT
209 -3 at tea. Excellent from Root and Ali.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 9, 2016 8:49:54 GMT
Hameed is what we needed in the top order. He doesn't get out to silly wafts and has a mindset to bat. Great to see Root step up and get a decent score
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 11, 2016 8:42:54 GMT
This looks like a nailed on draw - the pitch doesn't seem to be doing anything at all.
I think they said it's the first test at this ground. They obviously wanted all five days!
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 11, 2016 10:43:36 GMT
Depends on what sort of a lead India can achieve as to whether a traditional England batting collapse occurs because of pressure...
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 11, 2016 11:01:30 GMT
Well anything is possible of course. But if India bat all day tomorrow they will probably be 150 ahead. They won't declare with a lead less than 250, which will leave us about two sessions to survive for a draw. Given the deadness of the wicket, I have confidence we could see that out (I do have my fingers crossed!).
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 12, 2016 13:30:48 GMT
Another poor defeat. Playing 4 seamers on a spinning wicket that offers little to pace bowlers rather highlights the muddled thinking in the team. Not a lot of progress has been made in 6 tests in the sub continent other than Rashid. Cook seems to be hinting he's off as well.
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