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Post by The Fence End on Jun 9, 2016 21:08:33 GMT
Another day where we're 4 down for less than 100 and having to rely on the middle/lower order to bail us out. Can't always rely on that.
Compton's international career is over unless he gets a hundred in the second innings. I think Vince and Hales should be given the summer to continue improving in Hales' case and for Vince to prove himself.
Out of the top 6, 3 are on dodgy ground.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 9, 2016 22:10:11 GMT
I thought Compton was bloody lucky to be picked for this one TBH. If he doesn't score heavily in the second innings AND at least start to look like he knows what he is doing then there is no point in persevering with him if there are others who can come in.
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Post by nige01ox on Jun 9, 2016 22:54:54 GMT
Got to be it for Compton. Personally I'd give Borthwick a go at 3, always seems to get runs for Durham in the longer format. Provides a handy leg spin option too.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 10, 2016 7:48:42 GMT
Borthwick was the other one Sky were talking about. He'd be good for a few overs as well. Compton's time has passed. It just means the batting order will be very inexperienced in India and Bangladesh this winter
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Post by Boogaloo on Jun 10, 2016 11:51:20 GMT
The only reason Compton is playing is because they won the last two quite convincingly. As they say - don't change a winning side. But that's part of the problem - teams should always be looking to improve, and if you're not pulling your weight, then you should be dropped. Sri Lanka have been pretty awful, but Pakistan will be a tougher challenge, and we can't afford to carry players.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 5, 2016 14:12:37 GMT
For God's sake, Finn - BOWL STRAIGHT!!!
Grrrr
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 5, 2016 15:50:09 GMT
I fail to see why on earth Moeen Ali is still in the team - is he really the best spinner we've got? His bowling average is in the 40s, and his strike rate almost 5 an over. Everytime he comes into bowl, he sends a very clear message to the Pakistani batsmen - "Fill your boots and give the crowd some catching practice!"
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 5, 2016 16:25:50 GMT
Misbah and Younus look at Moeen like a free run machine. You can tell Misbah has absolutely no respect for him as a bowler by the way he attacks him as soon as he bowls. Rashid is expensive, but he gets wickets and offers variety.
Moeen, as much as I am a fan of his, is turning into a bits and pieces cricketer. They need to get Saqlain on the coaching staff for the rest summer before Mooen turns into a buffet bowler.
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Post by oldham on Aug 5, 2016 17:49:20 GMT
Alistair Cook has taken around 130 catches in tests and dropped about 53. That is shocking!!
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Post by unification on Aug 5, 2016 18:52:29 GMT
Have to say watching these two sides play against each other has been wonderful Test cricket. The matches have ebbed and flowed, good battles between bat and ball and with both sides equally matched we've seen some good battles. At the end of Day 3 in this Test any outcome is still possible which is what you always want.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 5, 2016 19:03:35 GMT
I agree. If England had actually managed to take all the catches Pakistan offered, we might be in a better position - but there have been some gripping passages of play.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 5, 2016 21:27:26 GMT
Bayliss thinks the catching issues are due to how the players stand while waiting for the ball meaning that their mobility is limited. Warne did a brief show and tell on the Sky coverage in the last test.
It was a good end to the session from England after some pretty average cricket. Hales is working on his technique and the results will hopefully show now that he got past 50. The game is very much on now. Any result is possible.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 5, 2016 22:05:30 GMT
I am at the game tomorrow, perfectly balanced. Our top order though, blimey. Give Roy a go at 4? Finn shouldn't be playing, neither Ali in my opinion.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 5, 2016 22:20:55 GMT
Bell-Drummond could come into open and Hales and Root drop down a spot. Might be too early for Ben Duckett at the moment
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Post by Junior on Aug 6, 2016 0:33:37 GMT
I am at the game tomorrow, perfectly balanced. Our top order though, blimey. Give Roy a go at 4? Finn shouldn't be playing, neither Ali in my opinion. Wouldn't go Roy in the longer format, leave him to smash his Ray through 20/20 and the 50 over stuff. Hales will be around for a while with Cook. Yesterday was their first 100 stand so hopefully that will help Hales feel established at the top. Bell-Drummond is smashing some big scores as his teammate, Sam Northeast. You've also got Borthwick at Durham and Malan & Duckett at Middlesex and Northants. Ali is a busted flush for me, he's got an annoying habit of just doing enough when it matters. Thus allowing him longer in the team. Think he'll be around until Stokes is fully fit. England at present love batting depth. Ali coming in at 7 offers them that One person who needs to step up is Broad. His bowling has been average and his batting has gone full circle. I'd be tempted to chuck him down at 11 as he's becoming an easy target for anyone with a bit of pace. As for Finn, I could t have disagreed more with Botham and Holding when they said he bowled really well whilst missing a bit of luck. Ball is very unlucky to be dropped for Finn who I suspect is only playing because of his previous record at Edgbaston.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 6, 2016 10:07:31 GMT
I Dont think a fully fit Stokes will have any relevance in the Ali debate,pretty sure every test that Stokes has played Ali has also played. If Stokes hadnt been injured,he'd have played alongside Ali with Finn missing out. As for Ali batting at 7 (where he scored 63 in the first innings) he batted 9 at Old Trafford,surely the best no 9 in the world ? I am not for one minute an Ali fan,but give him credit where credits due,after the Lords test Yasir Shah was the number 1 bowler in the world. At Old Trafford Moeen Ali's figures were 5 - 131, Yasir Shah's were 1 - 234 ! In this test its 0 - 79, while Shah is 1 - 92. If the ball aint spinning,it aint spinning. India this winter,5 tests where we will play 2 spinners,is the time for the rest to put in a challenge. As for Broad,when Stokes comes back,he will be at 10 anyway,dont see much point of swapping him (ave 22) with Jimmy (ave 10) to be honest.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 6, 2016 10:56:58 GMT
10k unsold tickets at Edgbaston today,for a SATURDAY of a test match. I remember when the Pakistanis would have sold out on there own.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 7, 2016 11:27:19 GMT
This looks like a nailed-on draw to me.
The ball isn't doing much, our spinner is lacking confidence and the pitch looks like a second day track rather than a fifth. The only wicket we have taken was a real gimme.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 7, 2016 12:36:14 GMT
From what I have seen its been pretty much huff and puff and that's it. Cook needed to declare earlier but we batted on for no good reason
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 7, 2016 14:45:00 GMT
A combination of good bowling by England and some frankly very poor batting by the Pakistanis has put us on the brink of wining this now!
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 7, 2016 14:45:55 GMT
Finn and Woakes ripping through Pakistan, 4 wickets for 1 run in the last 20mins or so, some great bowling.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 7, 2016 20:28:31 GMT
Pakistan had the collapse we'd been waiting for. Good bowling from England and we take 2-1 lead into the Oval. Should make for a fascinating game. I bet Pakistan are hoping they get Shah bowling in the right conditions. After all those wickets at Lords, he's struggle to make much of an impact when the wickets aren't turners.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 8, 2016 7:12:24 GMT
I am at the game tomorrow, perfectly balanced. Our top order though, blimey. Give Roy a go at 4? Finn shouldn't be playing, neither Ali in my opinion. Wouldn't go Roy in the longer format, leave him to smash his Ray through 20/20 and the 50 over stuff. Hales will be around for a while with Cook. Yesterday was their first 100 stand so hopefully that will help Hales feel established at the top. Bell-Drummond is smashing some big scores as his teammate, Sam Northeast. You've also got Borthwick at Durham and Malan & Duckett at Middlesex and Northants. Ali is a busted flush for me, he's got an annoying habit of just doing enough when it matters. Thus allowing him longer in the team. Think he'll be around until Stokes is fully fit. England at present love batting depth. Ali coming in at 7 offers them that One person who needs to step up is Broad. His bowling has been average and his batting has gone full circle. I'd be tempted to chuck him down at 11 as he's becoming an easy target for anyone with a bit of pace. As for Finn, I could t have disagreed more with Botham and Holding when they said he bowled really well whilst missing a bit of luck. Ball is very unlucky to be dropped for Finn who I suspect is only playing because of his previous record at Edgbaston. Who took the wining wicket Moeen (busted flush) Ali. 2 -49 at 2.75 and 86 n.o. with the bat,anymore busted flushes out there ? Only joking,but pretty sure as long as we play 4 seamers,he will play for his batting as much as his bowling.
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Post by pooshooter on Aug 8, 2016 8:25:14 GMT
I'd drop Vince and play Rashid as an extra bowler. Besides Rashid can bat better than Vince too
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Post by Junior on Aug 8, 2016 15:35:12 GMT
Wouldn't go Roy in the longer format, leave him to smash his Ray through 20/20 and the 50 over stuff. Hales will be around for a while with Cook. Yesterday was their first 100 stand so hopefully that will help Hales feel established at the top. Bell-Drummond is smashing some big scores as his teammate, Sam Northeast. You've also got Borthwick at Durham and Malan & Duckett at Middlesex and Northants. Ali is a busted flush for me, he's got an annoying habit of just doing enough when it matters. Thus allowing him longer in the team. Think he'll be around until Stokes is fully fit. England at present love batting depth. Ali coming in at 7 offers them that One person who needs to step up is Broad. His bowling has been average and his batting has gone full circle. I'd be tempted to chuck him down at 11 as he's becoming an easy target for anyone with a bit of pace. As for Finn, I could t have disagreed more with Botham and Holding when they said he bowled really well whilst missing a bit of luck. Ball is very unlucky to be dropped for Finn who I suspect is only playing because of his previous record at Edgbaston. Who took the wining wicket Moeen (busted flush) Ali. 2 -49 at 2.75 and 86 n.o. with the bat,anymore busted flushes out there ? Only joking,but pretty sure as long as we play 4 seamers,he will play for his batting as much as his bowling. Runs are irrelevant to the conversation.. Wickets, how did he go in the first innings? Pakistan didn't attack him like they have down throughout the series that's why the figures (2wickets on a day 5 pitch, hardly excellent) are better. Point stands about Finn.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 11, 2016 16:30:55 GMT
Ali would get in the side as a batsman without bowling at the moment, are middle order are saving us at the moment.
Been a good days play to watch from the bits I have caught, but if we have any intention to be the number one test side in the world then you can't carry 3 batsmen in your top order, Hales, Ballance and Vince don't look up it.
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Post by nige01ox on Aug 11, 2016 16:47:45 GMT
Surely Vince's last test for the foreseeable future?! Woakes, batting at 8 (9 when Stokes is back), looks far more comfortable batting at test level than him.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 11, 2016 20:22:08 GMT
Woakes game looks tighter than Vince's does at the moment. Other than a few pretty shots, Vince just seems out of his depth. Perhaps a stint in the one day side like James Taylor had will help him along. Short term, I think we need to move on but Bayliss is a big fan of his so I suspect he will retain his place.
Glad that Mooen got a ton though. Should help his bowling.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 12, 2016 13:40:46 GMT
Who took the wining wicket Moeen (busted flush) Ali. 2 -49 at 2.75 and 86 n.o. with the bat,anymore busted flushes out there ? Only joking,but pretty sure as long as we play 4 seamers,he will play for his batting as much as his bowling. Runs are irrelevant to the conversation.. Wickets, how did he go in the first innings? Pakistan didn't attack him like they have down throughout the series that's why the figures (2wickets on a day 5 pitch, hardly excellent) are better. Point stands about Finn. Super Ali breaks the partnership. Heard this morning,since destroying England in the first test and reaching No1 in the world,Yashir Shahs figures in the subsequent tests are 4 for 562. 3-236 1-266 and 0-60 While Ali has 8-276, 5-131 2-121 and 1-24. Shane Warne eat your heart out.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 13, 2016 12:45:52 GMT
Shah has not bowled in the 4th innings since and England have prepared better for him rather than playing a set of rash shots. Be interesting to see how the amount of overs bowled and run rate factor into it as well.
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