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Post by backonthecoupon on Feb 20, 2015 13:58:57 GMT
Is the Ox kosher?
Just checking in case we have a sensitive Jewish contingent too
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 20, 2015 14:02:44 GMT
There is no misunderstanding of what he stands for, and he's enjoys the craic. We could even have one side of the banner with Dennis Skinner on it, and the other Farage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:38:06 GMT
Is the Ox kosher? Just checking in case we have a sensitive Jewish contingent too
That's complicated.
But since we aren't looking to consume a club icon I think we might just get away with it.
Of course Hinduism has a special relationship with cows so we're ok there too I think.
I try to stick to pukka food myself...
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Post by Junior on Feb 20, 2015 14:44:45 GMT
How about a flag representing the Oxford music scene? Maybe a lyric from a Radiohead or Supergrass song!
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Post by backonthecoupon on Feb 20, 2015 15:45:01 GMT
How about a flag representing the Oxford music scene? Maybe a lyric from a Radiohead or Supergrass song! I like it. I would put forward "This isn't happening, I'm not here" but I think Man City have got the rights to that one "we are accidents waiting to happen" seems quite apt
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Post by Junior on Feb 20, 2015 15:50:43 GMT
From the top of my head and being slightly adapted.
I don't care if it hurts I want to have control I want us to score a, beautiful goal I want you to notice Oufc..
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Post by sihath on Feb 20, 2015 15:52:50 GMT
How about a flag representing the Oxford music scene? Maybe a lyric from a Radiohead or Supergrass song! I like it. I would put forward "This isn't happening, I'm not here" but I think Man City have got the rights to that one "we are accidents waiting to happen" seems quite apt Not being a Radiohead fan (Sorry SteMerritt!) I had to google, so how about... Lewis (mistreated) - poor Mickey Let Down No Surprises Optimistic I want none of this
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Post by nige01ox on Feb 20, 2015 16:10:29 GMT
Famous sporting achievement which took place in Oxford
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Post by SteMerritt on Feb 20, 2015 16:16:54 GMT
I like it. I would put forward "This isn't happening, I'm not here" but I think Man City have got the rights to that one "we are accidents waiting to happen" seems quite apt Not being a Radiohead fan (Sorry SteMerritt!) I had to google, so how about... Lewis (mistreated) - poor Mickey Let Down No Surprises Optimistic I want none of this Don't worry, being a Radiohead fan isn't a requirement. If everyone was a fan, who would we look down on On an Oxford band theme, Prelude by Foals would be a great track to take the field to...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 21:51:38 GMT
Should we plump for Nigel Farage then? Why not? Sort of bloke you could have a pint with. In fact, there was a photo in yesterday's Evening Standard of him with ex-public schoolboy Josh Parsons, one of the Chelsea chaps who threw a black man off the Metro in Paris. Man of the people. (Well, some of the people). There's a picture of Nick Clegg with a registered paedophile. And that wasn't just a random guy who stood next to him in a pub for a photo
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 21, 2015 0:44:35 GMT
"He refused to send famine relief" Of course worth noting we were getting annihilated by the most brutal Army the world has ever seen at the time and subject to heavy rationing. It wasn't the 1990s where we could all just tune into Comic Relief and wire some money over. You need some time related relativism. He also found it a very tough decision and hadn't realised the scale of the famine at the time. Sky News didn't exist. Probably worth mentioning that the brutal army you refer to was on retreat in almost every arena - and diverting some food supplies to India would not have changed that - indeed much of the fighting (and the winning) was being done by the Russians and the Americans. and India at the time was under British rule - not a foreign country. Probably worth mentioning those things too. Really? The Japanese wouldn't actually be knocking on the door of British India 'till early '44, and your comment about the Americans shows a rather iffy grasp of history as well. I admit this only gives the merry-go-round another spin but I couldn't resist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 1:17:27 GMT
the brutal army you refer to was on retreat in almost every arena - and diverting some food supplies to India would not have changed that - indeed much of the fighting (and the winning) was being done by the Russians and the Americans. and India at the time was under British rule - not a foreign country. Probably worth mentioning those things too. Really? The Japanese wouldn't actually be knocking on the door of British India 'till early '44, and your comment about the Americans shows a rather iffy grasp of history as well. I admit this only gives the merry-go-round another spin but I couldn't resist. I think you've misunderstood the original comment (or I have) - he is talking about the Germans I betcha (or he isn't - I thought he was) the americans had been in the war since 41 and were on European soil and winning in 43 while the Russians were retaking Kursk, Smolensk and Kiev to name but three victories. spin it as many times as you want - you land with me as I once did with my home economics teacher - you try hard but get rather muddled.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 21, 2015 1:33:46 GMT
Really? The Japanese wouldn't actually be knocking on the door of British India 'till early '44, and your comment about the Americans shows a rather iffy grasp of history as well. I admit this only gives the merry-go-round another spin but I couldn't resist. I think you've misunderstood the original comment (or I have) - he is talking about the Germans I betcha (or he isn't - I thought he was) the americans had been in the war since 41 and were on European soil and winning in 43 while the Russians were retaking Kursk, Smolensk and Kiev to name but three victories. spin it as many times as you want - you land with me as I once did with my home economics teacher - you try hard but get rather muddled. Sorry, I was trying to make a joke. Too subtle? Britain (and the empire) was also 'on European soil and winning' in '43 too y'know. (Not least because the guy who was commanding the Americans in Italy (Alexander) was British.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 1:58:53 GMT
I think you've misunderstood the original comment (or I have) - he is talking about the Germans I betcha (or he isn't - I thought he was) the americans had been in the war since 41 and were on European soil and winning in 43 while the Russians were retaking Kursk, Smolensk and Kiev to name but three victories. spin it as many times as you want - you land with me as I once did with my home economics teacher - you try hard but get rather muddled. Sorry, I was trying to make a joke. Too subtle? Britain (and the empire) was also 'on European soil and winning' in '43 too y'know. (Not least because the guy who was commanding the Americans in Italy (Alexander) was British.) waaaayyyyy too subtle - I'm only a Bicester council estate boy you know. people who fluff Churchill's image are keen to imply that WSC's decisions on the Indian famine involved him balancing measured wartime imperatives - nothing I have read convinces me that is true. the real trouble with Churchill is that the poor man remains enmeshed in many of the worst aspects of the British political psyche long after his death. what Padre Pio is to Irish catholic women of a certain age - Churchill is to right wing nuts of a certain age. at least with Padre Pio its just used to flog roundy badges, statues and holy water. What the establishment does by pimping Churchill is more sinister.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 21, 2015 7:49:15 GMT
in football, a sport where intellectual depth is absolutely the last thing you think ofI know all about the controversial sayings and doings of Winston Churchill, As a final note I'd also like to say that while I respect GM's opinion I don't think he's doing himself many favours by continuing to quote an article which is nothing more than a hatchet-job written by a largely discredited journalist. I think you underestimate football fans - this thread has had a broad spectrum of views - I don't see why that isn't representative. I think we must simply agree to disagree on that one.
You pay lip service to the 'sayings and doings' of Winston Churchill but decide to turn a blind eye - that's your moral choice. I can acknowledge the 'only-Nixon-could-go-to china' element of Winston and be repulsed by other actions in his life. On balance he's not a banner I want in my life - on principle (I agree it makes logical footy sense)
I take your point about Hari - he was actually caught touching up quotes - the Churchill piece relies on matters of fact and historical record and uses quotes from Winston's own book (which were deleted in later editions) - also I have used the article by Robert Fisk in the same paper who I believe remains beyond reproach.
Winston refused to send famine relief to India when millions were starving. He sent the black and tans against Irish civilians. He sent troops against unarmed striking miners.
These and many more things cannot be wished away.
If nothing else I think we would look daft claiming him as our talisman - he belongs to the nation. Beyond his birth and burial does he have any connection with Oxfordshire at all?
That's three times you've mentioned Churchill sending troops against striking Welsh miners. That's three times you'spouted b*llshit. In 1910, a number of coal miners in the Rhondda Valley began what has come to be known as the Tonypandy Riot. The Chief Constable of Glamorgan requested troops be sent in to help police quell the rioting. Churchill, learning that the troops were already travelling, allowed them to go as far as Swindon and Cardiff, but blocked their deployment. The Times criticised this decision. Glamorgan's chief constable, Lionel Lindsay, supported by the general manager of the Cambrian Combine,requested military support from the War Office. Home Secretary Winston Churchill learned of this development and, after discussions with the War Office, delayed action on the request. Churchill felt that the local authorities were overreacting, and believed that the Liberal government could calm matters down. He instead despatched Metropolitan police officers, both on foot and mounted, and sent some cavalry troops to Cardiff. He did not specifically deploy cavalry, but authorised their use by civil authorities, if deemed necessary. Churchill's personal message to strikers was, "We are holding back the soldiers for the present and sending only police.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 10:00:03 GMT
I think you underestimate football fans - this thread has had a broad spectrum of views - I don't see why that isn't representative. I think we must simply agree to disagree on that one.
You pay lip service to the 'sayings and doings' of Winston Churchill but decide to turn a blind eye - that's your moral choice. I can acknowledge the 'only-Nixon-could-go-to china' element of Winston and be repulsed by other actions in his life. On balance he's not a banner I want in my life - on principle (I agree it makes logical footy sense)
I take your point about Hari - he was actually caught touching up quotes - the Churchill piece relies on matters of fact and historical record and uses quotes from Winston's own book (which were deleted in later editions) - also I have used the article by Robert Fisk in the same paper who I believe remains beyond reproach.
Winston refused to send famine relief to India when millions were starving. He sent the black and tans against Irish civilians. He sent troops against unarmed striking miners.
These and many more things cannot be wished away.
If nothing else I think we would look daft claiming him as our talisman - he belongs to the nation. Beyond his birth and burial does he have any connection with Oxfordshire at all?
That's three times you've mentioned Churchill sending troops against striking Welsh miners. That's three times you'spouted b*llshit. In 1910, a number of coal miners in the Rhondda Valley began what has come to be known as the Tonypandy Riot. The Chief Constable of Glamorgan requested troops be sent in to help police quell the rioting. Churchill, learning that the troops were already travelling, allowed them to go as far as Swindon and Cardiff, but blocked their deployment. The Times criticised this decision. Glamorgan's chief constable, Lionel Lindsay, supported by the general manager of the Cambrian Combine,requested military support from the War Office. Home Secretary Winston Churchill learned of this development and, after discussions with the War Office, delayed action on the request. Churchill felt that the local authorities were overreacting, and believed that the Liberal government could calm matters down. He instead despatched Metropolitan police officers, both on foot and mounted, and sent some cavalry troops to Cardiff. He did not specifically deploy cavalry, but authorised their use by civil authorities, if deemed necessary. Churchill's personal message to strikers was, "We are holding back the soldiers for the present and sending only police. which contradicts nothing that I or anyone else has said. the troops settled the strike in favour of the owners with no negotiations required - they facilitated the prosecution of the strike leaders. Hardly surprising when you have guns pointed at your head. The tropps might have been in Cardiff but the meaning was clear. These are the actions of a thug and a bully - actions wholly consistent with his (and his parties) worldview that only people lying within a narrowly defined circle of virtue needed to negotiated with. The Welsh? The Irish? pssst! Don't be down about this. This supports the fame of the man. It takes one to know one - Churchill was a thug, a racist and a bully, so he could he could recognise Hitler for what he was. Come the darkest hours of the war we needed a war time leader like WSC - not Ed Milliband. Stop trying to turn him into a teddy bear. He was a product of his era - good and bad. Get over it.
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Post by MJB on Feb 21, 2015 10:04:00 GMT
I've not been following this crazy thread closely.
Do we have a new banner yet?
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 21, 2015 10:11:46 GMT
That's three times you've mentioned Churchill sending troops against striking Welsh miners. That's three times you'spouted b*llshit. In 1910, a number of coal miners in the Rhondda Valley began what has come to be known as the Tonypandy Riot. The Chief Constable of Glamorgan requested troops be sent in to help police quell the rioting. Churchill, learning that the troops were already travelling, allowed them to go as far as Swindon and Cardiff, but blocked their deployment. The Times criticised this decision. Glamorgan's chief constable, Lionel Lindsay, supported by the general manager of the Cambrian Combine,requested military support from the War Office. Home Secretary Winston Churchill learned of this development and, after discussions with the War Office, delayed action on the request. Churchill felt that the local authorities were overreacting, and believed that the Liberal government could calm matters down. He instead despatched Metropolitan police officers, both on foot and mounted, and sent some cavalry troops to Cardiff. He did not specifically deploy cavalry, but authorised their use by civil authorities, if deemed necessary. Churchill's personal message to strikers was, "We are holding back the soldiers for the present and sending only police. which contradicts nothing that I or anyone else has said. the troops settled the strike in favour of the owners with no negotiations required - they facilitated the prosecution of the strike leaders. Hardly surprising when you have guns pointed at your head. The tropps might have been in Cardiff but the meaning was clear. These are the actions of a thug and a bully - actions wholly consistent with his (and his parties) worldview that only people lying within a narrowly defined circle of virtue needed to negotiated with. The Welsh? The Irish? pssst! Don't be down about this. This supports the fame of the man. It takes one to know one - Churchill was a thug, a racist and a bully, so he could he could recognise Hitler for what he was. Come the darkest hours of the war we needed a war time leader like WSC - not Ed Milliband. Stop trying to turn him into a teddy bear. He was a product of his era - good and bad. Get over it. I'm not sure anyone needs to get over it as it was only a suggestion, in fact the only person getting really worked up about it is you murp. Maybe we could have a new banner thread and shut this one. The actual ideas seem to be getting a bit lost in a political argument.
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 21, 2015 10:14:52 GMT
How about a William Morris banner with his connection to Oxford and the car plant
Or would this be 'too capitalist' for some ?
I would not mind a banner with Latimer, Cramner and Ridley the Protestant martyrs, I would imagine GM would pass out and not be able to face his pals in Dublin again :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 10:57:53 GMT
How about a William Morris banner with his connection to Oxford and the car plant Or would this be 'too capitalist' for some ? I would not mind a banner with Latimer, Cramner and Ridley the Protestant martyrs, I would imagine GM would pass out and not be able to face his pals in Dublin again :-) my pals in Dublin? I was born and educated in Banbury and grew up in Bicester you prat. Take your sectarian b*llshit and f*ck off. but the William Morris banner is an excellent idea. I had the same thought myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 11:02:45 GMT
which contradicts nothing that I or anyone else has said. the troops settled the strike in favour of the owners with no negotiations required - they facilitated the prosecution of the strike leaders. Hardly surprising when you have guns pointed at your head. The tropps might have been in Cardiff but the meaning was clear. These are the actions of a thug and a bully - actions wholly consistent with his (and his parties) worldview that only people lying within a narrowly defined circle of virtue needed to negotiated with. The Welsh? The Irish? pssst! Don't be down about this. This supports the fame of the man. It takes one to know one - Churchill was a thug, a racist and a bully, so he could he could recognise Hitler for what he was. Come the darkest hours of the war we needed a war time leader like WSC - not Ed Milliband. Stop trying to turn him into a teddy bear. He was a product of his era - good and bad. Get over it. I'm not sure anyone needs to get over it as it was only a suggestion, in fact the only person getting really worked up about it is you murp. Maybe we could have a new banner thread and shut this one. The actual ideas seem to be getting a bit lost in a political argument. well some of us enjoy a political scuffle - but I agree it has er gone a bit off topic. he he.
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 21, 2015 11:26:40 GMT
How about a William Morris banner with his connection to Oxford and the car plant Or would this be 'too capitalist' for some ? I would not mind a banner with Latimer, Cramner and Ridley the Protestant martyrs, I would imagine GM would pass out and not be able to face his pals in Dublin again :-) my pals in Dublin? I was born and educated in Banbury and grew up in Bicester you prat. Take your sectarian b*llshit and f*ck off. but the William Morris banner is an excellent idea. I had the same thought myself. Sectarian ? You are like Kat Slater from eastenders, fuckin easy!
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 21, 2015 11:44:44 GMT
I'm not sure anyone needs to get over it as it was only a suggestion, in fact the only person getting really worked up about it is you murp. Maybe we could have a new banner thread and shut this one. The actual ideas seem to be getting a bit lost in a political argument. well some of us enjoy a political scuffle - but I agree it has er gone a bit off topic. he he. Thought you said politics and football should not be mixed
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Post by swissyellow on Feb 23, 2015 12:56:24 GMT
William Morris is great, made big bastard sea mines to blow things the hell up in WW1 and arranged for his factories to assist in WW2 fighter plane manufacture and repair in WW2 to shoot the hell out of flying things...and probably shoot things on the ground too.
Excellent.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Feb 23, 2015 13:31:16 GMT
I'm not sure anyone needs to get over it as it was only a suggestion, in fact the only person getting really worked up about it is you murp. Maybe we could have a new banner thread and shut this one. The actual ideas seem to be getting a bit lost in a political argument. well some of us enjoy a political scuffle - but I agree it has er gone a bit off topic. he he. On page 1 you said that politics and football shouldn't be mixed and that was all you had to say on the matter...and now youre congratulating yourself for turning this thread into a political debate?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 18:52:17 GMT
well some of us enjoy a political scuffle - but I agree it has er gone a bit off topic. he he. On page 1 you said that politics and football shouldn't be mixed and that was all you had to say on the matter...and now youre congratulating yourself for turning this thread into a political debate? I didn't dream up this daft idea about a Churchill banner or create a thread on a football forum pushing the idea. Hardly surprising that on such a thread Churchill's suitability should be discussed. But fear not - we shall not surrender to your odious apparatus...
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Post by mooro on Feb 23, 2015 20:15:31 GMT
How about a William Morris banner with his connection to Oxford and the car plant Or would this be 'too capitalist' for some ? I would not mind a banner with Latimer, Cramner and Ridley the Protestant martyrs, I would imagine GM would pass out and not be able to face his pals in Dublin again :-) I was back in Oxford for the first time in ages last week and was rather saddened by the face that not ten yards from the spot on the Broad where they were martyred now lies a shop selling lingerie for the larger lady....... AS for the original list, I cannot help but think adopting Miriam Margoyles as mascot and poster girl would be a marvellous step forward
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Post by MJB on Feb 23, 2015 20:18:05 GMT
How about a William Morris banner with his connection to Oxford and the car plant Or would this be 'too capitalist' for some ? I would not mind a banner with Latimer, Cramner and Ridley the Protestant martyrs, I would imagine GM would pass out and not be able to face his pals in Dublin again :-) I was back in Oxford for the first time in ages last week and was rather saddened by the face that not ten yards from the spot on the Broad where they were martyred now lies a shop selling lingerie for the larger lady....... AS for the original list, I cannot help but think adopting Miriam Margoyles as mascot and poster girl would be a marvellous step forward What is your problem with larger women? They should be able to buy lingerie, just like everyone else you awful, awful man.
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 23, 2015 20:27:25 GMT
There's a lot of large women in Oxford, although most seem to shop at Primark and wear track suits...
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Post by mooro on Feb 23, 2015 21:00:17 GMT
I was back in Oxford for the first time in ages last week and was rather saddened by the face that not ten yards from the spot on the Broad where they were martyred now lies a shop selling lingerie for the larger lady....... AS for the original list, I cannot help but think adopting Miriam Margoyles as mascot and poster girl would be a marvellous step forward What is your problem with larger women? They should be able to buy lingerie, just like everyone else you awful, awful man. No problem at all, as my nomination for poster girl suggests, just perhaps not in QUITE such a historical setting
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