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Post by mcf86 on Sept 23, 2014 10:37:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure many of the responses in this thread have been Intelligent and sincere- but for me they are a bit long winded!! Especially when having not logged in for a while it's time consuming and tedious, but that's just me I suppose.
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Post by hackneyjack on Sept 23, 2014 11:20:44 GMT
Jesus Wept...
Please can we shut this thread down admin?
Too much willy waving and ego. I think there was significant progress in a lot of our opinions and responses/respect to eachother.
Time to move on...
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 23, 2014 13:06:50 GMT
Drama Queen.
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Post by nottsyellow on Sept 23, 2014 16:41:02 GMT
Blimey, what a thread. Can't be bothered to read it all. Are we making progress? I think we have lost the losing habit, so some progress there but as yet we haven't gained the winning culture.
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Post by wandsworthyellow on Sept 23, 2014 20:16:54 GMT
All I want is to return to the days when we had gates over 6000 and a team worth watching We could argue for a while about this - but I honestly don't think that this has definitively happened at OUFC since the late 80s! What history shows us is that for OUFC to attract fans in big numbers on a regular basis we need two things - 1) Good Football and 2) Good results There's a few people who will come back when the football is entertaining regardless of where we sit in the table......but probably not that many. There's a few people who only care about results and will come back when we're next in a promotion battle, regardless of the quality of football. But to get back to 6000, to get all the occasionals back more regularly, we need both. And therefore for that to happen we need points. And in a hurry if it's going to happen this season. Performance in isolation is not enough. All OUFC can do is win @ home. Simple. Playing great total football is a bonus.
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Post by wandsworthyellow on Sept 23, 2014 20:19:12 GMT
Mate, you are not making sense. CW delievred results. Fact. Not pretty I agree. Not at home. But I get wound up with fans slagging off CW when he delivered results. Not enough results to get us promoted though!!! And it's the not at home fact which is a lot to do with current attendances. No ones slagging him off, but if we finish 8-9th this season I know I'll be happier than under cw as they will have done it with hardly any preseason and playing football that is enjoyable to watch fair point mate. well said.
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Post by dabigfella on Sept 23, 2014 21:13:54 GMT
To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement. In the final third there has been none. In fact it could be argued that it has got worse.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 24, 2014 5:32:58 GMT
To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement. In the final third there has been none. In fact it could be argued that it has got worse. Really!! 7 goals in 3home games took us most of last season to get that
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Post by scotchegg on Sept 24, 2014 6:48:24 GMT
To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement. In the final third there has been none. In fact it could be argued that it has got worse. Which way are you dividing the pitch? If you think that the attacking third has got worse then you must be crazy, with respect. If you are going the other way then I would accept that defensively we have gone backwards but hopefully Clarke will be back soon to give great stability. But as a whole, anyone watching the last 4 or 5 games compared to the first 4 or 5 while have seen significant progress.
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Post by dabigfella on Sept 24, 2014 7:15:56 GMT
To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement. In the final third there has been none. In fact it could be argued that it has got worse. Really!! 7 goals in 3home games took us most of last season to get that Nine league goals in nine games, three of which were penalties and two were gift goals doesn't seem much of an improvement to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 8:58:48 GMT
Really!! 7 goals in 3home games took us most of last season to get that Nine league goals in nine games, three of which were penalties and two were gift goals doesn't seem much of an improvement to me. Didn't you just state; To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement.
Now you're stating there hasn't been much of an improvement in our attacking third. (And in your response to scotchegg you've confirmed you do mean the "attacking third"). Which is it? In the last 14 league games of last season we scored 8 goals. In the first nine of this we have 9 goals. Seems like an improvement to me. (Oh, and a penalty counts as a goal too). Away from goal scoring, I don't think I've heard or read one Oxford fan not agreeing our style of play is better this season. So, whichever way you look at it, things are looking up.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 24, 2014 9:16:51 GMT
Nine league goals in nine games, three of which were penalties and two were gift goals doesn't seem much of an improvement to me. Didn't you just state; To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement.
Now you're stating there hasn't been much of an improvement in our attacking third. (And in your response to scotchegg you've confirmed you do mean the "attacking third"). Which is it? In the last 14 league games of last season we scored 8 goals. In the first nine of this we have 9 goals. Seems like an improvement to me. (Oh, and a penalty counts as a goal too). Away from goal scoring, I don't think I've heard or read one Oxford fan not agreeing our style of play is better this season. So, whichever way you look at it, things are looking up. Our style of play is indubitably better. And that does matter (to me, at least). However, it is intellectually dishonest to say that our goal-scoring has got better compared to last season. Last season we scored about 1.2 goals a game. This season, we have scored one goal a game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 9:23:41 GMT
Didn't you just state; To me the games can be split into two sections. The first two thirds of the field, and the final third. In the first there is no doubt at all that there has been a massive improvement.
Now you're stating there hasn't been much of an improvement in our attacking third. (And in your response to scotchegg you've confirmed you do mean the "attacking third"). Which is it? In the last 14 league games of last season we scored 8 goals. In the first nine of this we have 9 goals. Seems like an improvement to me. (Oh, and a penalty counts as a goal too). Away from goal scoring, I don't think I've heard or read one Oxford fan not agreeing our style of play is better this season. So, whichever way you look at it, things are looking up. Our style of play is indubitably better. And that does matter (to me, at least). However, it is intellectually dishonest to say that our goal-scoring has got better compared to last season. Last season we scored about 1.2 goals a game. This season, we have scored one goal a game. Disagree. Statistical comparisons in football don't have to be made on the basis of whole seasons. I'm sure if I went back far enough I could prove our goals per game average is higher under Mr Appleton than it was during a certain period before he arrived; it's just a question of selecting the right period. I have definitely been selective in comparing 14 games last season with the first nine this, but that happens all the time in football debate. "X has scored 5 in his last 5 games ...." is a statement worth making. Adding ".... but he didn't score in his previous 5" is unnecessary and misses the point about his recent record. Let's be clear. I'm not suggesting to "dabigfella" that he can't make negative comments. He can fill his boots. I'm suggesting he should try to make consistent statements.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2014 9:26:46 GMT
The management are putting in place the type of infrastructure required for a club challenging for promotion to the Championship / lower table Championship. The scouts, the back room staff, full time chief executive etc.
But, is it possible to play nice football AND win games, when perhaps half the squad is L2 level skills, ability, and awareness, or young and inexperienced?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 9:28:10 GMT
The management are putting in place the type of infrastructure required for a club challenging for promotion to the Championship / lower table Championship. The scouts, the back room staff, full time chief executive etc. But, is it possible to play nice football AND win games, when at least half the squad is L2 level skills, ability, and awareness, or young and inexperienced? This is the big question Slappy. Who knows? We can only hope, or perhaps "believe" if you're incredibly superstitious.
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