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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 17, 2014 9:02:23 GMT
Can we be clear about this. My understanding is : "(e) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows: 47.5% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League. 37.5% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs. 10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside The FA Premier League or The Football League). 5% to The Association. "So the 40% share has nothing to do with break-even since the rules refer to net gate receipts. The costs are paid before OUFC takes it's share - which is some distance from what your sentence above implies. Don't understand ? If clubs in the premier league and football league,get 37.5% of the net profits,(both teams are) 10% to the pool 5% to the association, 37.5% + 37.5% + 10% + 5% = 90%, Who gets the other 10% ? Diligent reader. I guess I quoted the wrong section and should have quoted this: (iv) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows: 5% to The Association. 42.5% to each Club. 10% to the Pool. Not sure why I did that, sorry to mislead. The link I got from google is hereEdit: To be sure, the point I was making about the distribution being net still stands.
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Post by Mark on Jan 17, 2014 9:22:55 GMT
Would people rather a cheap ticket, or a new player, or a new manager? Isn't that what juggling the finances comes down to? I would rather the Club (my Club.....owners,chairman,managers & players are all very transient)....... just for once looked after the supporters with a gesture of goodwill. "We would like to thank our loyal supporters by announcing pre-purchased tickets for the FA Cup replay against Charlton are £10" Incentivise, promote & reach out a bit. Instead we`ll get similar for Accrington on a wet Tuesday night......metaphorically speaking. But JUST FOR ONCE (as in not repeated this season) they already have done reduced tickets at £10 for the FA Cup game against Gateshead. Or do you really mean not "just for once", but twice or three times? Should every cup game should be reduced? Where do you draw the line? People quote Arsenal doing reduced cup prices at £25.50 for Coventry, but they are still charging Bayern Munich fans £62 for an away game, which Bayern are subsidising down to £37. These are still more than we are charging for the FA Cup game.
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 17, 2014 9:50:49 GMT
Each game should be judged in context. Gateshead...... hardly a crowd puller...needs reduction..... desperately. Charlton..... original fixture £10..... return the generousity & gain some goodwill...... shrewd marketing.
And yes..... football is horribly over-priced at all levels for 90 minutes "entertainment".
Having said that just had a Global e-mail at work...... Leicester (Top of Championship, decent support) vs Middlesborough (another well supported club)...... League fixture....take a guess at the ticket price?
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Post by saddletramp on Jan 17, 2014 9:55:25 GMT
Each game should be judged in context. Gateshead...... hardly a crowd puller...needs reduction..... desperately. Charlton..... original fixture £10..... return the generousity & gain some goodwill...... shrewd marketing. And yes..... football is horribly over-priced at all levels for 90 minutes "entertainment". Having said that just had a Global e-mail at work...... Leicester (Top of Championship, decent support) vs Middlesborough (another well supported club)...... League fixture....take a guess at the ticket price? Just looked on the Boro website,£28 for away fans,and ?
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Post by saddletramp on Jan 17, 2014 10:07:29 GMT
So one team charges £25.50 to watch a league 1 team and gets praise. The other team charges £19 against a championship side and gets vilified?
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Post by horseman on Jan 17, 2014 10:08:18 GMT
Slappy
Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters
You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jan 17, 2014 10:28:38 GMT
People quote Arsenal doing reduced cup prices at £25.50 for Coventry, but they are still charging Bayern Munich fans £62 for an away game, which Bayern are subsidising down to £37. These are still more than we are charging for the FA Cup game. Might be the time to expand on this excellent point. Whilst it is commendable for the Gunners to slash prices to £25.50 (Category C game) no one has yet mentioned what they and Spurs did to ticket prices for the FA Cup R3 draw. The game had been designated a B price category and Spurs allocated 5000 fans on police advice, instead of the 9000 they were entitled too. Spurs were not happy and after consultation between the two clubs, Arsenal changed the pricing to an A status game to enable both clubs to get more revenue and to be the negotiation tool to enable Spurs to accept 5000 fans instead of the 9000 they were entitled too under rules. So B tickets in the lower stand went from £37 to £62 when it was re-categorized. Regarding Bayern, cheapest seats are £62 and go to £98 for the upper tier.
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Post by horseman on Jan 17, 2014 10:32:12 GMT
So Spurs also chose money over their own support.
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Post by sihath on Jan 17, 2014 11:14:47 GMT
So Spurs also chose money over their own support. It's not surprising. Premier League club - it's ALL about the money.
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 17, 2014 12:14:04 GMT
Each game should be judged in context. Gateshead...... hardly a crowd puller...needs reduction..... desperately. Charlton..... original fixture £10..... return the generousity & gain some goodwill...... shrewd marketing. And yes..... football is horribly over-priced at all levels for 90 minutes "entertainment". Having said that just had a Global e-mail at work...... Leicester (Top of Championship, decent support) vs Middlesborough (another well supported club)...... League fixture....take a guess at the ticket price? Just looked on the Boro website,£28 for away fans,and ? Not that I would go but............... £9.99 for NHS staff. Do we do things like that to BMW/NHS or other large employers?? Surely OUFC need to think expansively to attract a larger audience rather than playing in front of a quarter full ground?
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 17, 2014 12:15:35 GMT
Slappy Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available. Where is the like button?
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Post by Mark on Jan 17, 2014 12:27:53 GMT
Slappy Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available. Well if you're not interested in seeing us play poorly against a L2 side, why should the club discount the price so you can see us play poorly against a Championship side? Quite frankly all this moaning and whinging about the ticket prices I think is really people complaining about the football on offer.
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Post by m on Jan 17, 2014 12:37:47 GMT
Quite frankly all this moaning and whinging about the ticket prices I think is really people complaining about the football on offer. That's it in a nutshell. In isolation the idea of reducing ticket prices for an FA Cup R3 game against higher league opposition is unusual. I certainly don't recall us ever having done it before.
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Post by oufcrealist on Jan 17, 2014 12:38:50 GMT
Slappy Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available. Well if you're not interested in seeing us play poorly against a L2 side, why should the club discount the price so you can see us play poorly against a Championship side? Quite frankly all this moaning and whinging about the ticket prices I think is really people complaining about the football on offer. Yes. Which in turn has to be considered, (by season ticket holders as well) when the prices are announced. Many more season ticket holders will stay away at full price than if the price was £10. It really is up to the club what they charge but they shouldn't complain if a couple of thousand regulars don't turn up, when all things are considered. They might regret not thinking longer term!
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 17, 2014 12:41:12 GMT
Slappy Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available. Well if you're not interested in seeing us play poorly against a L2 side, why should the club discount the price so you can see us play poorly against a Championship side? Quite frankly all this moaning and whinging about the ticket prices I think is really people complaining about the football on offer. You're right, that's exactly what it is. I'm not paying £17 to watch the rubbish being served up.... but at a tenner I might have (I dont have to think about paying that to see Newport, Accy etc, as I have a ST).
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Post by horseman on Jan 17, 2014 14:25:37 GMT
Slappy Perhaps people wont be rushing to their mode of transport to get to the game at Full Price because of the dire performances witnessed so far and it's not considered value for money. The club stance of oh hang on it's a championship club just doesn't wash as with all due respect to Charlton just as we were not an attraction to them they are not one for some Oxford fans. The difference is they realised this and acted accordingly and decided to reward their fan base with cut price tickets. Our club on the other hand has chosen to take a short sighted view and grab the most they can now rather than try to entice not only their current fans but also the floaters and new supporters You mention Gateshead who one presumes the club realised are not a big attraction but i go back to previous comments i made on this why if the club believe Charlton is such an attraction prior to announcing prices have they decided to close the North Stand? surely with a championship side coming to town they need as many seats as possible available. Well if you're not interested in seeing us play poorly against a L2 side, why should the club discount the price so you can see us play poorly against a Championship side? Quite frankly all this moaning and whinging about the ticket prices I think is really people complaining about the football on offer. Show me anyone who is "interested" in seeing us play poorly (i have a ST btw) To answer your 2nd point highlighted perhaps in recognition that indeed it has been poor and a goodwill gesture to all fans past + present and importantly potential new ones to entice them to attend..(Sorry but Charlton alone wont do it) If some living near to the ground don't want it at the price imagine the thought process for those having to travel with the other costs involved including the away fans who perhaps prefer to pay similar to watch a championship opposition rather than a league 2 side.(The same way as some of ours prefer the away games as they feel they're being entertained and getting value for money)
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Post by Mark on Jan 17, 2014 14:41:02 GMT
Why not wait until we are playing well at home and then try and get the crowds up, rather than get people to come along when we aren't doing well at home?
The consensus on here seems to be that "The Big Match" against Plymouth was a PR disaster because not only did we lose and played poorly, but the day-trippers got upset at being told off for leaving early.
Why encourage them to come to a game which on paper, the favourites would be Charlton as they are two leagues higher?
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 17, 2014 15:19:39 GMT
Why not wait until we are playing well at home and then try and get the crowds up, rather than get people to come along when we aren't doing well at home? The consensus on here seems to be that "The Big Match" against Plymouth was a PR disaster because not only did we lose and played poorly, but the day-trippers got upset at being told off for leaving early. Why encourage them to come to a game which on paper, the favourites would be Charlton as they are two leagues higher? The Club should have taken the opportunity for all the reasons listed on here. If we were to lose to a Club two leagues higher, but play well, its "less of a loss" than hyping Plymouth to death on a Boxing Day, traditionally a decent turn out, then falling flat on their faces. The Number One priority for the Club MUST be about goodwill and promotion to a wavering fanbase who are , worryingly for the Club, finding better ways to spend the thick end of £20 for 90 minutes "entertainment". If come March we are up there and playing well there will be less need to promote......but thats not NOW.
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Post by horseman on Jan 17, 2014 15:44:33 GMT
The club = People say Charlton are favourites but we want as many people as possible to turn up and cheer the lads on and Together we can try and cause an upset..in order to help try and achieve this we are making this game £10 for Adults and £3 for children aged 8 and above with under 7 free as normal.
Answer Everyone feels welcome
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Post by stokeu on Jan 17, 2014 19:36:43 GMT
Tickets for Stoke vs Liverpool were offered as buy one get one free at work the other week.
Today saw the latest offer, buy a ticket for Man Utd and get a free ticket for Swansea.
Still won't be going mind...
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Post by rickspangle on Jan 20, 2014 11:23:59 GMT
Well, I've got my (full price) ticket and am really excited about the Charlton game and our great cup run. What's wrong with me?!
I'm also very excited about heading up to Huddersfield on Saturday.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jan 20, 2014 13:18:23 GMT
Well, I've got my (full price) ticket and am really excited about the Charlton game and our great cup run. What's wrong with me?! I'm also very excited about heading up to Huddersfield on Saturday. Yes me too. Purchased last night and expect us to be in R4 on Saturday and in with a chance of knocking out a Huddersfield side who won't be able to play their recent new signings.
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Post by grb on Jan 20, 2014 13:24:14 GMT
Caved in and decided I'm going. Me and my old man will be there.
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Post by justoxford on Jan 20, 2014 13:34:54 GMT
Any idea how many tickets we have sold
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Post by ox1yellow on Jan 20, 2014 13:57:52 GMT
It might have been mentioned before, but how about the club considers a discount scheme for season ticket holders for such games? That way you can still keep the ticket prices up for some, while at the same time recognising the ongoing support of the season ticket holders and the shite they are made to watch most home games? We have all those vouchers at the back of our season tickets - why not put them to use?
After all, if you want to get the gate up, surely it would be easier to attract/reach the season ticket holders that object to paying full price than the occasional fans that pick and choose their games.
I'm a season ticket holder that won't be there tomorrow (for various reasons), however if the price was made a little more attractive, and I felt the atmosphere would be livened up with more fans, I would make the effort to be there.
Just a thought.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Jan 20, 2014 14:02:14 GMT
Bought my ticket this morning and looking forward to the game. The ticket office guy said they were expecting c3k on the night.
Charlton may be near the foot of championship but their football is pleasing on the eye and I'm expecting an open encounter with lots of goals. We have a decent chance in my book.
Take the handbrake off, like last Tuesday, Wilder and have a go!
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Post by sihath on Jan 20, 2014 14:29:25 GMT
It might have been mentioned before, but how about the club considers a discount scheme for season ticket holders for such games? That way you can still keep the ticket prices up for some, while at the same time recognising the ongoing support of the season ticket holders and the shite they are made to watch most home games? We have all those vouchers at the back of our season tickets - why not put them to use? After all, if you want to get the gate up, surely it would be easier to attract/reach the season ticket holders that object to paying full price than the occasional fans that pick and choose their games. I'm a season ticket holder that won't be there tonight (for various reasons), however if the price was made a little more attractive, and I felt the atmosphere would be livened up with more fans, I would make the effort to be there. Just a thought. The most obvious reason being that the game is tomorrow? I agree with you about the ST discount. I'm still undecided about going.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 14:39:06 GMT
Guess the attendance?
According to a few Charlton fans on Facebook they only expect to bring about 150. Reason being the ticket price for our match, and they have 3 away games in a row, the other 2 being long journeys to Doncaster and Wigan.
I expect about 2500 from us.
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Post by foley on Jan 20, 2014 16:26:32 GMT
Bought my ticket this morning and looking forward to the game. The ticket office guy said they were expecting c3k on the night. Charlton may be near the foot of championship but their football is pleasing on the eye and I'm expecting an open encounter with lots of goals. We have a decent chance in my book. Take the handbrake off, like last Tuesday, Wilder and have a go! Yes I bought mine today as well and are looking forward to it. I think that there is little doubt that Charlton will come at us, so it could be a very decent game. I am assuming that Ruffels, Davies will be given another chance for this game?
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Post by bluealice on Jan 20, 2014 16:57:13 GMT
How much are the tickets then...?, or have I missed something!!!
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