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Post by pugs on Feb 19, 2011 22:08:33 GMT
just wondering whether those who demanded Andy Melville's sacking a few weeks back still think he should be sacked now we've conceded 1 goal in 4 games? www.fickleposter.com (warning: not an actual website)...
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Post by stokeu on Feb 19, 2011 22:16:02 GMT
I was p*ssed off that was not a real site, but now I'm ok about it
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Post by dontwannagohome (banned) on Feb 19, 2011 22:16:09 GMT
Where's the LIKE post, Was saying to my mate today 3 clean sheets in 4 is good. Melville is a top coach and i also said we should a striker coach.
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Post by behindthegoal on Feb 19, 2011 23:03:38 GMT
And who said drop Clarke? ?.....twonk
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 19, 2011 23:11:21 GMT
Where's the LIKE post, Was saying to my mate today 3 clean sheets in 4 is good. Melville is a top coach and i also said we should a striker coach. We are not a premiership club and, therefore, can't afford specialist coaches for each position. If we could we would have a defensive coach and midfield coach too, which we don't.
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Post by hoppingmad on Feb 20, 2011 0:05:32 GMT
Would the sack Melville brigade actually like to reappear and give the guy some credit on this forum? After all, if he was to blame for all those goals being conceded then he is surely to congratulate for 1 goal in the last 4 being conceded. Oh no, of course I forgot it doesn't tend to work like that as those posters are always first to criticise and last to praise.
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Post by ox9hp18 on Feb 20, 2011 0:47:49 GMT
anyone that has followed OUFC for more than 20 years knows that as oxford fans we are only happy when we are moaning about not winning 5-0 every game there will always be something to moan about for some
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Post by oxfordyid on Feb 20, 2011 1:12:30 GMT
I wasn't part of the anti-Melville group but I could see where they were coming from.. It was because we were conceding cheap, scrappy goalds from set pieces.. where surely it's his job to get the defence drilled and organised to minimise the goals conceeded.. And the amount of time we went without a clean sheet was unacceptable, and some of that had to go on Melville's shoulders.
Fair play though we seem like we've become alot tighter and more organised in the past few weeks
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Post by bigman2 on Feb 20, 2011 7:11:28 GMT
I think what has helped is we have a More settled back 5 with only change being Batt and Purkiss, this means that the coaches are able to work with them consistently as a unit and it is all coming together well.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 20, 2011 7:59:49 GMT
Full credit to Melville? I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but to me it's always sounded like he's been he defensive coach, and now it looks like the defence is coming together again. I think it always had a lot more to do with confidence than skill, but everyone deserves praise for this. We seem to have learnt to defend as a team.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 20, 2011 8:09:37 GMT
What a load of bollox,a couple of clean sheets and melville is the best defensive coach in the country,where next for him,Man City,Chelsea,Real Madrid. Answer me this question,when was the last time we kept a clean sheet at home? I will answer my own question,September 4th or 14 games ago! Are these promotion figures? Stockport county have conceded 4 goals or more 11 times this season,yet they also have 6 clean sheets (including 1 at ours)which is 1 less than us,and they are going down. Crystal Palace have just gone 8 games on the trot at home without conceding, I will celebrate if we can go 2,or considering our record at home 1.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 20, 2011 8:23:53 GMT
What a load of bollox,a couple of clean sheets and melville is the best defensive coach in the country,where next for him,Man City,Chelsea,Real Madrid. Answer me this question,when was the last time we kept a clean sheet at home? I will answer my own question,September 4th or 14 games ago! Are these promotion figures? Stockport county have conceded 4 goals or more 11 times this season,yet they also have 6 clean sheets (including 1 at ours)which is 1 less than us,and they are going down. Crystal Palace have just gone 8 games on the trot at home without conceding, I will celebrate if we can go 2,or considering our record at home 1. He is not our defensive coach so that means he can't be the best or worst defensive coach in the world!
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 20, 2011 8:34:50 GMT
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Today at 8:09am, saddletramp wrote: What a load of bollox,a couple of clean sheets and melville is the best defensive coach in the country,where next for him,Man City,Chelsea,Real Madrid. Answer me this question,when was the last time we kept a clean sheet at home? I will answer my own question,September 4th or 14 games ago! Are these promotion figures? Stockport county have conceded 4 goals or more 11 times this season,yet they also have 6 clean sheets (including 1 at ours)which is 1 less than us,and they are going down. Crystal Palace have just gone 8 games on the trot at home without conceding, I will celebrate if we can go 2,or considering our record at home 1.
He is not our defensive coach so that means he can't be the best or worst defensive coach in the world!
Well our manager seems to think he is,i was listening to his comments on the radio after the match yesterday and he said if there are problems at the back,i give Andy a bollocking and if there are problems in midfield, its Mickeys fault if Clarkey has a bad game its Hodgeys problem. I know this comment was tongue in cheek but i dont think you have an ex goalkeeper looking after the midfielders an ex midfielder looking after the goalkeepers and an ex defender looking after the forwards. If Andy Melville isnt the defensive coach,what exactly is his role?
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 20, 2011 8:42:29 GMT
followtheox Full Member member is online Joined: Jan 2011 Gender: Male Posts: 194 Re: Melville - Just out of interest.... « Reply #11 Today at 8:23am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today at 8:09am, saddletramp wrote: What a load of bollox,a couple of clean sheets and melville is the best defensive coach in the country,where next for him,Man City,Chelsea,Real Madrid. Answer me this question,when was the last time we kept a clean sheet at home? I will answer my own question,September 4th or 14 games ago! Are these promotion figures? Stockport county have conceded 4 goals or more 11 times this season,yet they also have 6 clean sheets (including 1 at ours)which is 1 less than us,and they are going down. Crystal Palace have just gone 8 games on the trot at home without conceding, I will celebrate if we can go 2,or considering our record at home 1. He is not our defensive coach so that means he can't be the best or worst defensive coach in the world! Well our manager seems to think he is,i was listening to his comments on the radio after the match yesterday and he said if there are problems at the back,i give Andy a bollocking and if there are problems in midfield, its Mickeys fault if Clarkey has a bad game its Hodgeys problem. I know this comment was tongue in cheek but i dont think you have an ex goalkeeper looking after the midfielders an ex midfielder looking after the goalkeepers and an ex defender looking after the forwards. If Andy Melville isnt the defensive coach,what exactly is his role? Didn't hear those comments. He is our first team coach. He is not a specialist coach we don't have them. Wilder was a defender too, did you know that?
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Post by hoppingmad on Feb 20, 2011 9:06:58 GMT
What a load of bollox,a couple of clean sheets and melville is the best defensive coach in the country,where next for him,Man City,Chelsea,Real Madrid. Answer me this question,when was the last time we kept a clean sheet at home? I will answer my own question,September 4th or 14 games ago! Are these promotion figures? Stockport county have conceded 4 goals or more 11 times this season,yet they also have 6 clean sheets (including 1 at ours)which is 1 less than us,and they are going down. Crystal Palace have just gone 8 games on the trot at home without conceding, I will celebrate if we can go 2,or considering our record at home 1. I haven't picked up from this thread that anybody is declaring Melville as the best defensive coach in the country. Personally I don't think that 3 clean sheets out of 4 is solely down to him just as I don't believe that 20+ consecutive games of conceding goals was solely down to him either. You are correct that our defensive record is not the best and that one swallow doesn't make a summer. As you so eloquently state that this is a load of bollox then I would also state that the recent posts to sack Melville were also a load of bollox.
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Post by socrates on Feb 20, 2011 9:17:24 GMT
what a hilarious, and pathetic, thread
why should people 'apologise'?
during a disgraceful run when we failed to keep a clean sheet in 23 games, quite rightly the role of Melville was questioned because he was believed to be the defensive coach
there was nothing irrational about that
the defence has improved but 3 clean sheets in 4 games is hardly worthy of a witch hunt. The word aftertimer comes to my mind
i still think the defence is dodgy (extremely lucky not to concede from set pieces at Gills) so there is work to do
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 20, 2011 9:28:43 GMT
what a hilarious, and pathetic, thread why should people 'apologise'? during a disgraceful run when we failed to keep a clean sheet in 23 games, quite rightly the role of Melville was questioned because he was believed to be the defensive coach there was nothing irrational about that the defence has improved but 3 clean sheets in 4 games is hardly worthy of a witch hunt. The word aftertimer comes to my mind i still think the defence is dodgy (extremely lucky not to concede from set pieces at Gills) so there is work to do I agree with you that people should always be allowed their opinions on a forum like this. My issue is that I have never seen it stated that he is our defensive coach (apart from on here) and, therefore, to blame him because he is our defensive coach seems odd.
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Post by hoppingmad on Feb 20, 2011 9:54:35 GMT
what a hilarious, and pathetic, thread why should people 'apologise'? during a disgraceful run when we failed to keep a clean sheet in 23 games, quite rightly the role of Melville was questioned because he was believed to be the defensive coach there was nothing irrational about that the defence has improved but 3 clean sheets in 4 games is hardly worthy of a witch hunt. The word aftertimer comes to my mind i still think the defence is dodgy (extremely lucky not to concede from set pieces at Gills) so there is work to do At the end of the day there are a number of polarised views on this forum and these often manifest themselves in pro or anti this and that threads. You are right that people have the right to express their opinion and don't need to apologise but threads springing up like this are the inevitable result of such a polarisation of views. If posters are going to question things like Melville's role then all well and good. When there are more extreme views put forward to sack him then there are going to be posts in defence of him put forward which I think this is.
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Post by pugs on Feb 20, 2011 10:39:51 GMT
what a hilarious, and pathetic, thread why should people 'apologise'? during a disgraceful run when we failed to keep a clean sheet in 23 games, quite rightly the role of Melville was questioned because he was believed to be the defensive coach there was nothing irrational about that the defence has improved but 3 clean sheets in 4 games is hardly worthy of a witch hunt. The word aftertimer comes to my mind i still think the defence is dodgy (extremely lucky not to concede from set pieces at Gills) so there is work to do Typical aggressive response (the same as Saddletramp) when someone is embarrassed by previous posts & when someone fails spectacularly to see the point. Of course questions should have been asked of the coaching staff & players BUT to demand someone lose their job is something completely different. Yes 23 games without a cleansheet was a very very long time but how many of those games did we lose & how many did we only concede one goal? Were we regularly shifting 3 or 4 goals & sliding down the table? NO we weren't. We play quite an attacking formation using wingbacks which will inevitably leave gaps at the back BUT we try to score goals!! Socrates - if you think the thread is pathetic you can always delete your post. Saddletramp - i know you may find this difficult to understand but i'm gonna give it a go. To make a statement that you think it wrong that someone doesn't lose their job does not automatically imply you, therefore, think they must be the best in the world at it.
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Post by socrates on Feb 20, 2011 11:08:51 GMT
i stand by claiming melville should have taken some responsibility for a 23-game defensive disaster so I'm not embarrassed at all
i really don't see the point of a thread. you probably didn't mean too, but you've come across as a bit of smartarse.
it's aftertiming, pure and simple
it's like if midson scores in the next game someone'll be on here slagging off all those who have said he's not good enough
sorry if you disagree
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Post by pugs on Feb 20, 2011 11:23:19 GMT
i stand by claiming melville should have taken some responsibility for a 23-game defensive disaster so I'm not embarrassed at all i really don't see the point of a thread. you probably didn't mean too, but you've come across as a bit of smartarse. it's aftertiming, pure and simple it's like if midson scores in the next game someone'll be on here slagging off all those who have said he's not good enough sorry if you disagree Maybe i'm just not being clear enough. Accepting there's a problem & wanting someone to take responsibility for it is one thing but to demand someone lose their livelihood is completely different. This does not mean the players, Melville & Wilder are immune from criticism when warranted. I guess the point of the thread was to see if those who were brave enough to demand someone be sacked just 3 weeks ago still hold that same view. For all i know they may still do. For all i know there may be some (SKP?) who still believe Wilder should go after our bad run last season!! You were one who stated Melville should go. So answer the question - should he still be sacked? Regards, S.M Artarse
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Post by ian on Feb 20, 2011 11:55:26 GMT
It might have been a 23 game run without a clean sheet, but where were Oxford at the end of it compared to the start of it? There was excessive negativity, 6 goals were not going in each week and Oxford were climbing the league table. Some of the criticism of the coaching written here was at best, very silly. If Oxford lose the next three games, I expect calls/demands for KT to sack Wilder... though I wish there was more maturity. what a hilarious, and pathetic, thread why should people 'apologise'? during a disgraceful run when we failed to keep a clean sheet in 23 games, quite rightly the role of Melville was questioned because he was believed to be the defensive coach there was nothing irrational about that the defence has improved but 3 clean sheets in 4 games is hardly worthy of a witch hunt. The word aftertimer comes to my mind i still think the defence is dodgy (extremely lucky not to concede from set pieces at Gills) so there is work to do
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 20, 2011 12:01:44 GMT
First things first,i have never called for Andy Melville to go, secondly wether his title is first team coach or defensive coach is immaterial,as a former international defender im sure he has a massive input towards all defensive duties including set pieces. Im sure the majority of people on here will agree that our defending of set pieces this season has been haphazard to say the least. Thirdly,as i posted earlier we have not kept a clean sheet at home since the 4th of September. My earlier comments were just aimed at people "bigging up" Andy Melville on the back of 3 clean sheets in 4. Long may the clean sheets continue,but until we start doing it at home then neither the players or the back room staff will be getting many plaudits from me.
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Post by socrates on Feb 20, 2011 12:08:16 GMT
i stand by claiming melville should have taken some responsibility for a 23-game defensive disaster so I'm not embarrassed at all i really don't see the point of a thread. you probably didn't mean too, but you've come across as a bit of smartarse. it's aftertiming, pure and simple it's like if midson scores in the next game someone'll be on here slagging off all those who have said he's not good enough sorry if you disagree Maybe i'm just not being clear enough. Accepting there's a problem & wanting someone to take responsibility for it is one thing but to demand someone lose their livelihood is completely different. This does not mean the players, Melville & Wilder are immune from criticism when warranted. I guess the point of the thread was to see if those who were brave enough to demand someone be sacked just 3 weeks ago still hold that same view. For all i know they may still do. For all i know there may be some (SKP?) who still believe Wilder should go after our bad run last season!! You were one who stated Melville should go. So answer the question - should he still be sacked? Regards, S.M Artarse i didn't say he should be sacked. i said wilder and melville should take joint responsibility and that we needed a new defensive coach your question 'should he still be sacked?' is ridiculous and, as I said earlier, one of a clever clogs how do you compare a 23 game sequence with 3 out of four? I still think we are bad at the back. We still need a defensive coach because some of the positioning is poor at times and I'm not convinced we're picking up players from set pieces
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Post by pugs on Feb 20, 2011 13:53:14 GMT
Maybe i'm just not being clear enough. Accepting there's a problem & wanting someone to take responsibility for it is one thing but to demand someone lose their livelihood is completely different. This does not mean the players, Melville & Wilder are immune from criticism when warranted. I guess the point of the thread was to see if those who were brave enough to demand someone be sacked just 3 weeks ago still hold that same view. For all i know they may still do. For all i know there may be some (SKP?) who still believe Wilder should go after our bad run last season!! You were one who stated Melville should go. So answer the question - should he still be sacked? Regards, S.M Artarse i didn't say he should be sacked. i said wilder and melville should take joint responsibility and that we needed a new defensive coach your question 'should he still be sacked?' is ridiculous and, as I said earlier, one of a clever clogshow do you compare a 23 game sequence with 3 out of four? I still think we are bad at the back. We still need a defensive coach because some of the positioning is poor at times and I'm not convinced we're picking up players from set pieces " But that won't solve the aerial ricks. We need a new defensive coach. Someone who can drill these players to defend set pieces and to how to clear their lines
Sorry Mr Melville, your time is up." socrates 02/02/11 so this wasn't a demand for Melville to be sacked then? getting yourself in a bit of a fluster here eh socrates......
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Post by socrates on Feb 20, 2011 23:52:22 GMT
i tell you what ... sack him. although you've taken my previous words out of context
my point, in a roundabout way, is this: if it rains in a country for 23 consecutive days and then is sunny for two days, rains again, and then finally sun, how do you describe that country's weather?
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Post by Beav on Feb 21, 2011 1:06:35 GMT
i tell you what ... sack him. although you've taken my previous words out of context my point, in a roundabout way, is this: if it rains in a country for 23 consecutive days and then is sunny for two days, rains again, and then finally sun, how do you describe that country's weather? You'd presume it had gone from April showers to May! Description - improving.
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Post by pugs on Feb 21, 2011 1:13:55 GMT
i tell you what ... sack him. although you've taken my previous words out of context my point, in a roundabout way, is this: if it rains in a country for 23 consecutive days and then is sunny for two days, rains again, and then finally sun, how do you describe that country's weather? You'd presume it had gone from April showers to May! Description - improving. Indeed! though i would say sunny & improving with no need to sack the weather man
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 21, 2011 13:09:32 GMT
Three swallows don't make a summer, and three clean sheets don’t make a season.
I don’t think I passed comment on our defensive coaching, pretty sure I didn’t call for anybody to be sacked but, looking at stats, we had 23 games without a clean sheet now we have three in four, it’s a good comeback but hardly approaching an equilibrium point. Lets not get too pious yet, the doubters can put away their sackcloth and ashes for now.
I generally don’t see the point of witch hunt threads, and I certainly think this thread is a little too early. If we keep 23 clean sheets in a row then by all means let’s hang Socrates by his nads from carfax tower, but it’s not time yet.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 21, 2011 13:11:20 GMT
First things first,i have never called for Andy Melville to go, secondly wether his title is first team coach or defensive coach is immaterial,as a former international defender im sure he has a massive input towards all defensive duties including set pieces. Im sure the majority of people on here will agree that our defending of set pieces this season has been haphazard to say the least. Thirdly,as i posted earlier we have not kept a clean sheet at home since the 4th of September. My earlier comments were just aimed at people "bigging up" Andy Melville on the back of 3 clean sheets in 4. Long may the clean sheets continue,but until we start doing it at home then neither the players or the back room staff will be getting many plaudits from me. Regardless of what his job title is, wilder definitely talks about him as a defensive coach.
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