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Post by londonroader on Feb 2, 2011 9:48:24 GMT
If Tonkins starts who plays in front of him.
When Asa starts in front of Tonks we are a more attacking through the middle, and Tonks has to sit more as Asa does not cover so well, then Tonks threat is reduced.
When Clist plays in front of Tonks, he is Mr tidy doing trying to do the simple things in midfield, Clist doesn't offer as much drive as Asa but sits and lets Tonks do his over lapping, that's when Tonks looks good.
Do we play Clist in front of Tonkins for a bit of stability, or Asa to add to our midfield drive.
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Post by Beav on Feb 2, 2011 11:50:39 GMT
Disappointed that Wilder changed the midfield yesterday and I think it showed. (I wasn't there but listened on the radio)
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Post by tatabanya on Feb 2, 2011 12:58:47 GMT
That's because you have a strange obsession with Asa Hall.
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Post by yellowj on Feb 2, 2011 13:08:00 GMT
I think we should play Clist and Hall in midfield. We get the best of both Worlds then. We get Hall's drive through the middle and Tonkin/Clist partnership down the left side.
We can bring Heslop on for the last half an hour to replace one of Clist or Hall.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 2, 2011 15:48:03 GMT
If Tonkins starts who plays in front of him. When Asa starts in front of Tonks we are a more attacking through the middle, and Tonks has to sit more as Asa does not cover so well, then Tonks threat is reduced. When Clist plays in front of Tonks, he is Mr tidy doing trying to do the simple things in midfield, Clist doesn't offer as much drive as Asa but sits and lets Tonks do his over lapping, that's when Tonks looks good. Do we play Clist in front of Tonkins for a bit of stability, or Asa to add to our midfield drive. Unlike Batt, Tonkin's forward runs all too often result in an overhit cross or the ball being played back to the defence. I'm not convinced Tonkin coming forward is a major issue so long as he has the opportunity to do so sometimes (which he does so long as well play well) and he can defend solidly. I think having Payne on might help because he offers a mix, he likes to sit back a little and cover but offers lots of creativity and drive going forward with his crossfield balls (Batt and Tonkin are both very good at finding space out wide, Payne would be the perfect man to pick them out). I don't think the Tonkin issue is a major one though so long as his mistake doesn't cause him to falter in his next few games.
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Post by paulayres on Feb 3, 2011 7:46:06 GMT
If Tonkins starts who plays in front of him. When Asa starts in front of Tonks we are a more attacking through the middle, and Tonks has to sit more as Asa does not cover so well, then Tonks threat is reduced. When Clist plays in front of Tonks, he is Mr tidy doing trying to do the simple things in midfield, Clist doesn't offer as much drive as Asa but sits and lets Tonks do his over lapping, that's when Tonks looks good. Do we play Clist in front of Tonkins for a bit of stability, or Asa to add to our midfield drive. Unlike Batt, Tonkin's forward runs all too often result in an overhit cross or the ball being played back to the defence. I'm not convinced Tonkin coming forward is a major issue so long as he has the opportunity to do so sometimes (which he does so long as well play well) and he can defend solidly. I think having Payne on might help because he offers a mix, he likes to sit back a little and cover but offers lots of creativity and drive going forward with his crossfield balls (Batt and Tonkin are both very good at finding space out wide, Payne would be the perfect man to pick them out). I don't think the Tonkin issue is a major one though so long as his mistake doesn't cause him to falter in his next few games.[/color] Tonkin is a liability. He has far more bad games than good. The club needed to strengthen the defence and imo it should have signed an experienced left back.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 3, 2011 11:48:48 GMT
IMO Tonkin has been one of our best players since getting back in the team.
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Post by Long John Silver on Feb 3, 2011 12:19:39 GMT
IMO Tonkin has been one of our best players since getting back in the team. He has. He was good in the early part of the season, shocking when he came back for his middle stint, but again good since his return.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 3, 2011 12:24:05 GMT
IMO Tonkin has been one of our best players since getting back in the team. He has. He was good in the early part of the season, shocking when he came back for his middle stint, but again good since his return. I agree, but last Saturdays silly challenge (his own words) and Tuesday's dreadful miskick aren't going to help his confidence or silence any doubters.
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Post by unification on Feb 3, 2011 12:55:37 GMT
He has. He was good in the early part of the season, shocking when he came back for his middle stint, but again good since his return. I agree, but last Saturdays silly challenge (his own words) and Tuesday's dreadful miskick aren't going to help his confidence or silence any doubters. Agreed. I think I have seen enough now to say that the left-back position is the main area where we may be needing a new player in the Summer. Tonkin is a good player, but not one to take us any further, I'm afraid. He has been prone to errors this season and whilst you can often get away with these in the BSP you can't at this level. I think Tonks may be one of the casualties come the Summer, regardless of what league we may be in! Age is against him, and errors have crept which is a shame because, on his day, he's still a competant enough left back. That said, Stevie Kinniburgh hasn't set the world alight when he has taken to the pitch. I think some fans put on the tinted glasses when he was playing after Tonkin's lull in form and tried to delude themselves that he was playing blinders every week, but the truth of the matter was that he wasn't. He does have youth on his side and maybe a run in the side will sharpen him up. I think Worley has come on leaps and bounds since his first few games for us this season, so it might be that time to gamble on Kinni again. Play him, but let's not big him up so much this time.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 3, 2011 18:12:23 GMT
I agree, but last Saturdays silly challenge (his own words) and Tuesday's dreadful miskick aren't going to help his confidence or silence any doubters. Agreed. I think I have seen enough now to say that the left-back position is the main area where we may be needing a new player in the Summer. Tonkin is a good player, but not one to take us any further, I'm afraid. He has been prone to errors this season and whilst you can often get away with these in the BSP you can't at this level. I think Tonks may be one of the casualties come the Summer, regardless of what league we may be in! Age is against him, and errors have crept which is a shame because, on his day, he's still a competant enough left back. That said, Stevie Kinniburgh hasn't set the world alight when he has taken to the pitch. I think some fans put on the tinted glasses when he was playing after Tonkin's lull in form and tried to delude themselves that he was playing blinders every week, but the truth of the matter was that he wasn't. He does have youth on his side and maybe a run in the side will sharpen him up. I think Worley has come on leaps and bounds since his first few games for us this season, so it might be that time to gamble on Kinni again. Play him, but let's not big him up so much this time. I think that's pretty much spot on. But I wouldn't say Tonkin has done enough recent to warrant being replaced, he's generally earned his spot in the team and some people even had him as their player of last month (totally disagree, but it's worth pointing out). Kinni needs another chance, but not necessarily in the immediate future.
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Post by unification on Feb 3, 2011 18:18:54 GMT
Agreed. I think I have seen enough now to say that the left-back position is the main area where we may be needing a new player in the Summer. Tonkin is a good player, but not one to take us any further, I'm afraid. He has been prone to errors this season and whilst you can often get away with these in the BSP you can't at this level. I think Tonks may be one of the casualties come the Summer, regardless of what league we may be in! Age is against him, and errors have crept which is a shame because, on his day, he's still a competant enough left back. That said, Stevie Kinniburgh hasn't set the world alight when he has taken to the pitch. I think some fans put on the tinted glasses when he was playing after Tonkin's lull in form and tried to delude themselves that he was playing blinders every week, but the truth of the matter was that he wasn't. He does have youth on his side and maybe a run in the side will sharpen him up. I think Worley has come on leaps and bounds since his first few games for us this season, so it might be that time to gamble on Kinni again. Play him, but let's not big him up so much this time. I think that's pretty much spot on. But I wouldn't say Tonkin has done enough recent to warrant being replaced, he's generally earned his spot in the team and some people even had him as their player of last month (totally disagree, but it's worth pointing out). Kinni needs another chance, but not necessarily in the immediate future. Maybe you're right. Like I said, Tonkin isn't a bad player (unlike some people on here want to think), but errors like the one on Tuesday, Shrewsbury where he let his marker run into the area and Aldershot when he played in Morgan have cost us goals. It's frustrating because his all-round game is largely good, but individual errors are starting to cost us. My post suggested that Kinniburgh is not a out-and-out solution, but a potential one. He's young and will come on (hopefully in the same way that Worley has), but I think that the left back position will be a source of opposition goals this season regardless of who plays.
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Post by yellowj on Feb 3, 2011 20:15:14 GMT
We could always try Jake Wright at left back, he's played there before and then bring Sangare in the middle with Worley.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 3, 2011 20:58:56 GMT
I generally like a settled side but I'm not a great believer in naming a first-11 without an opposition in mind. One thing I found refreshing about wilder when he first came was not being afraid to pick players based on the team he was facing. Remember when he dropped Murray despite being in top form (I think it was Kettering away, but cant be sure)? He did it based on the pitch and opposition. Maybe some players should be bought in based on the opposition, i.e. we seem to struggle against rufty-tufty sides (Southend, Northampton, Stevenage?) so should possibly adopt a different style for those games, for the ball playing sides we play our best ball players, etc.
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