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Post by oxfordkne on Jun 11, 2011 17:18:05 GMT
I can't find this posted elsewhere but the news is that the 72 league clubs have agreed a wage cap of 55% of income for leagues 1 and 2 for the coming season with penalties imposed for going over this.
I think we will be okay on this as KT and CW will have budgeted accordingly I'm sure.
I do wonder though how teams such as Crawley who have small gates and large ( I assume ) players wage bills will handle this.
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Post by kidintheriot on Jun 11, 2011 18:41:13 GMT
Surely it's quite easy to get around. A sugar daddy could just pay say 1million to sponser the stadium for a year or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 5:04:43 GMT
The devil is always in the detail. Un-enforceable.
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Post by oufcgav on Jun 12, 2011 8:36:11 GMT
It's not necessarily to get the clubs that have a sugar daddy - in theory they are living within their current means. Even if only in the short term. What it is more designed to do is stop clubs without a rich benefactor spending beyond their means.
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Post by brightonyellow on Jun 12, 2011 10:21:55 GMT
I think it is a small step in the right direction. I suppose it is broadly good for us (as a bigger club in div 4) and it would be slightly detrimental to us if we were in the championship (as a smaller club).
My view [possibly rose tinted] is that if you look at the 4 divisions now compared to 20 or even 10 years ago, the correlation between "attendances" and overall league position is much greater now, which is ultimately sad as it means it is more difficult for 'smaller', well run clubs to get to the top.
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Post by Mark on Jun 12, 2011 10:59:30 GMT
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Post by scoob on Jun 12, 2011 13:10:36 GMT
My view [possibly rose tinted] is that if you look at the 4 divisions now compared to 20 or even 10 years ago, the correlation between "attendances" and overall league position is much greater now, which is ultimately sad as it means it is more difficult for 'smaller', well run clubs to get to the top. That may be true in the top two divisions but I don't think size of club is the be all and end all in L1 & L2. The premiership club with the lowest crowds last season was Blackpool who averaged 15,782 which is 30% higher than our highest in Division One and almost double our lowest average at that level. Five clubs in the Championship had crowds of less than 12,000 but Plymouth had the fifth highest crowds in League One at only 8,613 and Dagenham have survived at that level with crowds averaging only 2,770. With effectively five levels to our league I do not feel that it is a bad thing that you need a decent crowd size to get to the upper levels. Clubs who have ambitions to be at those levels will have to learn to grow their crowds before making a challenge. For example Crawley have the catchment area to be able to support crowds of 12,000+ that seems to be needed to maintain that level. No club should expect overnight success so I don't see this as a problem. It took us several decades to get to Division One and we were very small fry at that level. Would it be good for Dagenham to get into the Championship when they have hardly increased their crowds despite relative success?
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Post by headingtonoldboy on Jun 13, 2011 8:21:58 GMT
I know this is going off the subject a bit, but did you notice the meeting was held in... CYPRUS. I see they are spending the savings wisely.!! Why couldn't the meeting have been in this country. Talk about an unneccessary jolly.
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Post by sarge on Jun 18, 2011 12:46:34 GMT
are win, appearance, league position, clean sheet etc bonus part of wages or not?
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Post by John Lennon on Jun 18, 2011 12:59:00 GMT
There are ways to get around it, but I think it will help the clubs who struggle financially.
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Post by Mark on Jun 18, 2011 13:01:03 GMT
are win, appearance, league position, clean sheet etc bonus part of wages or not? I would imagine so. If a player had say a sponsored car, or was given rent free accomodation would that count? Is a player/manager still counted? What would happen if say a youth team player made an end of season first team appearance. Would his pay for the whole year be counted? At a higher level, would payments for image rights count? Are transfer fees paid included as wages? But what if you sell someone for say £1M, can you then use that to pay wages even though the total wage bill is more than the % of turnover? It would be good for the League to publish this SCMP (I've emailed them to see if there are any public details)
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 18, 2011 16:09:14 GMT
I know this is going off the subject a bit, but did you notice the meeting was held in... CYPRUS. I see they are spending the savings wisely.!! Why couldn't the meeting have been in this country. Talk about an unneccessary jolly. Didn't cost FL/club reps anything as it was paid for by the Cypriot Tourist Board as part of a sponsorship deal.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 18, 2011 22:19:59 GMT
It depends on what sort of cap they want - hard or soft. In US Sports there are lots of versions of the salary cap and for some, ways of getting around it. Baseball runs a luxury tax where if a big team overspends the cap, the tax money is taken by the MLB and used elsewhere.
If youth team player played in a game, I would imagine his cost to the cap would be part of his prorated salary, or alternatively he would automatically incur a standard charge against the cap.
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Post by dabigfella on Jun 20, 2011 17:12:32 GMT
I wonder what percentage of income our wage bill is this season.
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Post by rollsy on Jun 20, 2011 19:56:36 GMT
I wonder what percentage of income our wage bill is this season. Kelvin said on YP interview last week, ours is way below the max percentage so the rule doesnt effect us.
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Post by Mark on Jun 20, 2011 20:12:06 GMT
reply from the Football League "We can/and do provide information on current SCMP in place, but we cannot currently comment on the new Financial Fair Play proposals as they are still under discussion.
SCMP has operated in League Two since 2003/04 and is based partially on projected turnover and reassessed at stages throughout the season. Clubs in League Two will work to a 55% SCMP turnover based on gate income, central distributions and commercial revenue. They are however allowed to utilise (and discount from the 55% SCMP) what is termed as ‘football fortune income’ which is such things as net transfers, donations, equity cash injections and cup match prize monies.
As stated, any new rules for other divisions cannot currently be clarified."
I read last weekend that a number of clubs had been put under transfer embargoes, but these were not made public as that could adversely affect the clubs in other ways.
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Post by dabigfella on Jun 21, 2011 7:08:39 GMT
I wonder what percentage of income our wage bill is this season. Kelvin said on YP interview last week, ours is way below the max percentage so the rule doesnt effect us. Thanks. Nice to know.
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