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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 21, 2017 21:51:56 GMT
Scored two vs one of the best defences in the league, problems clearly defensively but doubt many managers could do much with the options available. Sounded like we were doing alright between Payne's goal and their fourth; don't know how bad we were for the rest. Get Yellow River back on thread making duty ASAP! Theres the glass half full option....
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Post by newtonyellow on Nov 21, 2017 21:52:42 GMT
Any rumours at the ground about the take over? Was told there's an announcement coming within 48 hours, but not from any source I'd class as reliable. Basically, more guesswork from all. Thanks, all needs sorting. Everything is messy to say the least at the moment.
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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 21, 2017 21:54:42 GMT
We weren't as bad as the scoreline suggests. More possession, shots and shots on target. If only we'd turned up for the first 20 minutes...... If you think that most of the possession being because of the countless sideways passes in our own half is a positive then you and I think differently. Similarly there were a lot of shots. But since most of them were over the bar or passed the post or almost made the goalkeeper to move to collect them is good........ We were outclassed from one end of the pitch to the other and the only reason we got even close was because Blackburn thought it was so easy they took their foot of the gas! Blackburn well worth a bet for promotion. Oxford well worth a bet to finish in the bottom half of the table. Finally a sensible realistic post. We are dismal. Miles away from a promotion team however close we may be points wise. Quality will tell. Were lacking. Long old season. Safe trip home everyone.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 21, 2017 21:55:01 GMT
At least we can all rest easy now knowing Kip and Charlie can enjoy themselves being all negative for the next 4 days after tonight’s results.
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Post by danoufc on Nov 21, 2017 21:58:00 GMT
Well that just shows there's still a gulf in class between us and the higher echelons of the table. I've got many doubts over the quality of those outside our first eleven. We MUST buy well in January.
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Post by blox21 on Nov 21, 2017 22:01:25 GMT
Well that just shows there's still a gulf in class between us and the higher echelons of the table. I've got many doubts over the quality of those outside our first eleven. We MUST buy well in January. But with who's money !
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 21, 2017 22:05:10 GMT
At least we can all rest easy now knowing Kip and Charlie can enjoy themselves being all negative for the next 4 days after tonight’s results. Be honest, they will both have, for different reasons, grounds to be negative. We lost, at home, again. We conceded 4 goals, 3 in the first 20 minutes. What would you have us do? Be positive about that kind of result? What we need is for everyone to acknowledge that things are not right.
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Post by gingerox on Nov 21, 2017 22:06:24 GMT
problems clearly defensively but doubt many managers could do much with the options available. Our defence has been shit all season, Nelson and Eastwood haven't looked as good as last season, Tiendalli and Ricardinho are Pep signings and it's Pep's tactics, shifting the blame away from his is ridiculous Eastwood + Ricardinho have been good when I've seen them, Nelson out for the season, but I'll agree based on what I've seen of Tiendelli. With Martin starting we'll always be carrying at least one at the back.
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Post by newtonyellow on Nov 21, 2017 22:08:29 GMT
At least we can all rest easy now knowing Kip and Charlie can enjoy themselves being all negative for the next 4 days after tonight’s results. Be honest, they will both have, for different reasons, grounds to be negative. We lost, at home, again. We conceded 4 goals, 3 in the first 20 minutes. What would you have us do? Be positive about that kind of result? What we need is for everyone to acknowledge that things are not right. Couldn't agree more
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 21, 2017 22:11:56 GMT
At least we can all rest easy now knowing Kip and Charlie can enjoy themselves being all negative for the next 4 days after tonight’s results. Be honest, they will both have, for different reasons, grounds to be negative. We lost, at home, again. We conceded 4 goals, 3 in the first 20 minutes. What would you have us do? Be positive about that kind of result? What we need is for everyone to acknowledge that things are not right. We have been very unlucky with injuries, we had a rushed transfer window at the start of the season. So far we are doing what many of us expected. We came against one of the best sides in this league who have players earn more than double than what ours do. We aren’t going to win the league after winning 4-0 on Saturday but at the same time we aren’t going down losing 4-1 tonight. In the last few years we always do better after Christmas and I think it will be no different this year with a top 12 finish.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 21, 2017 22:19:41 GMT
I think the number of goals we have shipped in the last six weeks, and the manner and severity of our defeats, is alarming given we are only in mid-November and have still got well over 25 league games to go.
Look at the table in terms of 10th to 20th, look at who has played what and who is on what points etc, and you tell me why I should be confident that by Christmas everything will be hunky dory. Tell me why it's absolute nonsense for anybody to look at the last 14 odd games in league and cup and go "Hang on..." when they consider where we'll be inside a month if the form doesn't turn.
I want to know why everyone is meant to be completely and utterly care free. I really, really want to know.
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Post by newtonyellow on Nov 21, 2017 22:22:39 GMT
I think the number of goals we have shipped in the last six weeks, and the manner and severity of our defeats, is alarming given we are only in mid-November and have still got well over 25 league games to go. Look at the table in terms of 10th to 20th, look at who has played what and who is on what points etc, and you tell me why I should be confident that by Christmas everything will be hunky dory. Tell me why it's absolute nonsense for anybody to look at the last 14 odd games in league and cup and go "Hang on..." when they consider where we'll be inside a month if the form doesn't turn. I want to know why everyone is meant to be completely and utterly care free. I really, really want to know. 100% agree. It's the manner in which we are losing, the number of mistakes being made and the depth of squad - all so different to last season and all so similar to Kemp and Patto.
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 21, 2017 22:24:48 GMT
Be honest, they will both have, for different reasons, grounds to be negative. We lost, at home, again. We conceded 4 goals, 3 in the first 20 minutes. What would you have us do? Be positive about that kind of result? What we need is for everyone to acknowledge that things are not right. We have been very unlucky with injuries, we had a rushed transfer window at the start of the season. So far we are doing what many of us expected. We came against one of the best sides in this league who have players earn more than double than what ours do. We aren’t going to win the league after winning 4-0 on Saturday but at the same time we aren’t going down losing 4-1 tonight. In the last few years we always do better after Christmas and I think it will be no different this year with a top 12 finish. The score was 4 - 2 by the way but, that is not the point. The excuses keep coming - a rushed transfer window? What? We rushed to bring in cheap and dubious players? Some hadn't played any regular football. Some had never played in this league, let alone this division. What they are paid is irrelevant compared to the quality of their play. This team does not continue with the concept of development and improvement. It is a bunch of cast offs that Pep once worked with. Top 12, I doubt it. Maybe not relegation but it will be a close call. Attendances will be down and the finances will shrink even further. Don't hold your breath for investment in January. (unless we do have a change of owner)
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Post by barbadosyellow on Nov 21, 2017 22:26:10 GMT
If you think that most of the possession being because of the countless sideways passes in our own half is a positive then you and I think differently. Similarly there were a lot of shots. But since most of them were over the bar or passed the post or almost made the goalkeeper to move to collect them is good........ We were outclassed from one end of the pitch to the other and the only reason we got even close was because Blackburn thought it was so easy they took their foot of the gas! Blackburn well worth a bet for promotion. Oxford well worth a bet to finish in the bottom half of the table. Finally a sensible realistic post. We are dismal. Miles away from a promotion team however close we may be points wise. Quality will tell. Were lacking. Long old season. Safe trip home everyone. Maybe I'm just naturally optimistic but having watched the game (on iFollow) I really thought we played well for the last hour. You make a good point about Blackburn stepping off the gas though. I may also have had too many Stellas watching in an airport lounge in Miami airport.......
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 22:28:27 GMT
We were poor tonight. Far too much standing still and passiveness - we must work a lot harder. Blackburn were bang at it from the first whistle, we on the other hand were not. Let alone we indulge in the dark arts and work the referee over - another season where we are far too honest and won't fall over. Defending was a complete shambles again. Martin looked like a baby giraffe trying to walk for the first time. Not sure what position Mowatt was playing but it wasn't right wing. Xemi looks to be getting comfortable with the pace of the game.
Not a penalty from my view. Dack like he did last year, was looking for contact and the chance to fall over at the drop of a hat. The South Stand lino was terrible and the aggro from the Werthers brigade said all I need to know.
And finally. Jack Payne deserves 10 MOM awards for standing up and being counted today. The lad shone tonight. Well done kid.
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Post by bigfella72 on Nov 21, 2017 22:30:09 GMT
Scored two vs one of the best defences in the league, problems clearly defensively but doubt many managers could do much with the options available. Sounded like we were doing alright between Payne's goal and their fourth; don't know how bad we were for the rest. Get Yellow River back on thread making duty ASAP! Theres the glass half full option.... Or a view from someone who was there ya miserable git! Mistakes and the ref gifted them a 3-0 lead, no team is likely to come back from that but at least we tried.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 22:30:09 GMT
Finally a sensible realistic post. We are dismal. Miles away from a promotion team however close we may be points wise. Quality will tell. Were lacking. Long old season. Safe trip home everyone. Maybe I'm just naturally optimistic but having watched the game (on iFollow) I really thought we played well for the last hour. You make a good point about Blackburn stepping off the gas though. I may also have had too many Stellas watching in an airport lounge in Miami airport....... The slow start put us in an impossible position. But the players kept on working, unlike other seasons. We just need to start better in home games
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Post by Long John Silver on Nov 21, 2017 22:30:45 GMT
First twenty minutes we were outplayed, although should only have been 2 down because of the blatant dive. Playing it across the back repetively against teams that press is a recipe for disaster and the inevitable mistakes will be punished - it is happening way too often and just blaming individual mistakes doesn't cut it. Whether we are passing it this way because there is little movement from the midfield players and often no one to pass to, or whether it's Clotet's philosophy I'm not sure.
Anyway, after that period we certainly had more possession, more shots, more attacking play than Blackburn, and did have some quite decent moves. Having said that, we are often quite static up front at times and often not much of an option to pass to.
It was quite an entertaining match and not as dire as some are making out.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 21, 2017 22:32:46 GMT
We have been very unlucky with injuries, we had a rushed transfer window at the start of the season. So far we are doing what many of us expected. We came against one of the best sides in this league who have players earn more than double than what ours do. We aren’t going to win the league after winning 4-0 on Saturday but at the same time we aren’t going down losing 4-1 tonight. In the last few years we always do better after Christmas and I think it will be no different this year with a top 12 finish. The score was 4 - 2 by the way but, that is not the point. The excuses keep coming - a rushed transfer window? What? We rushed to bring in cheap and dubious players? Some hadn't played any regular football. Some had never played in this league, let alone this division. What they are paid is irrelevant compared to the quality of their play. This team does not continue with the concept of development and improvement. It is a bunch of cast offs that Pep once worked with. Top 12, I doubt it. Maybe not relegation but it will be a close call. Attendances will be down and the finances will shrink even further. Don't hold your breath for investment in January. (unless we do have a change of owner) Rushed in the manor of a manager in without the right amount of time to plan a squad for a promotion push, that takes months to plan starting from the previous season. What their players earn is irrevlant? If you pay higher wages you get a higher quality player. Look at players like Dack. They have Danny Graham who can only settle for a place on the bench. That shows the gulf in budgets between us and the top teams in this league.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 21, 2017 22:33:29 GMT
I could take us playing without pace, width or a clue but what really gets my goat is that we're playing like a bunch of gentrified remainer pussies.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 22:35:12 GMT
I could take us playing without pace, width or a clue but what really gets my goat is that we're playing like a bunch of gentrified remainer pussies. At least the players haven't resorted to screaming at the sky in protest at Donald Trump
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2017 22:38:15 GMT
I think the number of goals we have shipped in the last six weeks, and the manner and severity of our defeats, is alarming given we are only in mid-November and have still got well over 25 league games to go. Look at the table in terms of 10th to 20th, look at who has played what and who is on what points etc, and you tell me why I should be confident that by Christmas everything will be hunky dory. Tell me why it's absolute nonsense for anybody to look at the last 14 odd games in league and cup and go "Hang on..." when they consider where we'll be inside a month if the form doesn't turn. I want to know why everyone is meant to be completely and utterly care free. I really, really want to know. [/quote/] I think we're very poor. And liable to only get worse because of Pep seemingly incapable of organising a defence. People say we're inconsistent. No. We're not. We are very predictable. We ship bad goals every week. Some of them in the same manner. Nothing changes. But to answer your question ... Wimbledon, Gillingham, Rochdale, Bury, Cobblers and Plymouth are shocking too. Four of those are probably worse than us.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 21, 2017 22:46:14 GMT
Well two of those sides have beaten us already this season, quite easily at that, so I don't feel particularly comfortable with that.
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Post by m on Nov 21, 2017 22:48:16 GMT
Agree with messrs Baldi, Silver and Cannell on dark arts, dithery play and pussiness respectively.
Can anyone explain why the second goal wasn't offside?
I thought Tiendalli was quite good.
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Post by Long John Silver on Nov 21, 2017 22:53:31 GMT
A positive... We are still joint highest goal scorers in the division!
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Post by yellowmania on Nov 21, 2017 22:55:34 GMT
Why oh why did Tiendalli wait until the 90th minute to join an attack down the wing? Was better tonight but offered zero going forward.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Nov 21, 2017 23:02:55 GMT
We’ve not been unlucky with injuries the players who have been injured have either been 30+ out of the game players signed this season or players who have had a history of injury problems.
Poor recruitment has resulted in some of these issues.
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 21, 2017 23:09:43 GMT
Same tactical mistakes and not turning up at the start of the 1st hslf as the Walsall, Northampton games so we're already screwed.
The defence and midfield were shocking today. Only Jack Payne, Wes Thomas (for ploughing a lone furrow) and Simin Eastwood (had nothing protecting him) get any credit.
It seems at home, the other midfielders just pass responsiblity on to Jack Payne expecting him to create everything attacking. Has Pep told Lego and Ruffels not to run past Payne? JR was doing this earlier this season and scoring yet neither him or Lego were doing that tonight.
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 21, 2017 23:10:13 GMT
It was noted by my Dad before kick off that they were a ‘big’ team in terms of the stature of their players. Almost every one was 6’+, with their defenders and lone forward being the biggest.
I was at times reminded of the cup fixture a couple of years ago. They were much more physical than us and certainly weren’t afraid to play direct and nasty at times.
When we were able to get the ball down we actually played some decent enough stuff. Their fourth goal certainly came against the run of play. Up until that point I was hoping that if we could get a second the third would come too. Call me a dreamer.
I think Martin was particularly poor today. He was at fault for their second and fourth goals. The sooner Raglan is back fit, the better, in my opinion. I also thought both Ruffels and Ledson had bad games. Neither was able to inject any sort of creativity and between them they lost the midfield battle.
We are desperately lacking pace in the wide areas. Payne would have an absolute field day if we actually had some wingers capable making runs in behind.
Personally I don’t buy all of the doom and gloom. Our injury list is horrendous:
Raglan Nelson Van Kessel Mehmeti Hall Long Pekalski Ribiero Williamson (not 100% fit yet) (with others like Obika and Ricardinho missing several games through injury).
This has massively impacted on Clotet’s ability to choose his strongest 11, which has almost certainly contributed to our inconsistency.
So far this season most teams outside of Wigan and Shrewsbury have been inconsistent. If we can get some of the injured players back fit and also bring in a bit more pace, I am sure that we will do okay. Or at the very least, much better than the doom mongers are predicting.
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 21, 2017 23:14:47 GMT
Agree on Raglan.
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