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Post by ox4eva on Nov 14, 2017 15:13:18 GMT
Just had a walk through the covered market which is a real Oxford tradition.
Looks like the council are running it into the ground with their ridiculous rents. The fishmonger which had been there for years has closed, closed or closing down shops everywhere.
I do also worry about our wee U's shop after fighting for years to get a foothold in the centre of town!
This market should be encouraged and I know people go on about the new Westgate centre but the covered market is completely different.
The council are a discrace!
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 14, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
Not all to do with the Council. It was on the radio this morning saying that the opening of the west gate has lead to a massive drop off in trade. Some shop not making a single sale in a day. This is why I have said we should have looked at getting a stall in the west gate. The footfall is massive compared to a market mode tourist don’t even know is there
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 14, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
Not all to do with the Council. It was on the radio this morning saying that the opening of the west gate has lead to a massive drop off in trade. Some shop not making a single sale in a day. This is why I have said we should have looked at getting a stall in the west gate. The footfall is massive compared to a market mode tourist don’t even know is there Whoever is working on an outside stall in the Westgate in the winter has my sympathy, it's very exposed. Perhaps Clotet could bring in one of his Swedish imports who would be used to freezing their bollocks off, probably get injured opening the till though. I like walking round the covered market, but since Oaks moved out of the newer bit I haven't bought anything from there for years, the new Westgate hasn't changed that for me. The biggest threat to all shops comes from online shopping, people go out for a look around occasionally but seem to do most of the buying online, can't see that stopping now.
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 14, 2017 16:11:20 GMT
It's a market which is completely different from a shopping centre!
It should be supported by the council
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Post by scotters on Nov 14, 2017 16:29:16 GMT
I don't think there's much demand for boutique butchers, fishmongers and cheese shops in the middle of Oxford. Who wants to go into the centre of town to buy a bit of meat when the supermarket's nearer, cheaper and more convenient? It adds some character to the city centre but at a time of stressed public spending how much money should the council be pouring into businesses that nobody goes to?
The high street's dying off basically. Even the Westgate has just cannibalised a lot of its shops from elsewhere in Oxford, so there's big gaps where Primark, Next, River Island and the rest used to be. Look forward to lots more university tourist tat shops, seems to be the only growing market.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 14, 2017 16:35:19 GMT
Not all to do with the Council. It was on the radio this morning saying that the opening of the west gate has lead to a massive drop off in trade. Some shop not making a single sale in a day. This is why I have said we should have looked at getting a stall in the west gate. The footfall is massive compared to a market mode tourist don’t even know is there Whoever is working on an outside stall in the Westgate in the winter has my sympathy, it's very exposed. Perhaps Clotet could bring in one of his Swedish imports who would be used to freezing their bollocks off, probably get injured opening the till though. I like walking round the covered market, but since Oaks moved out of the newer bit I haven't bought anything from there for years, the new Westgate hasn't changed that for me. The biggest threat to all shops comes from online shopping, people go out for a look around occasionally but seem to do most of the buying online, can't see that stopping now. What better way to advertise our winter coats, and hats range 😉
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Post by Eaststandboy on Nov 14, 2017 19:52:48 GMT
Meatmaster has closed in the market, very disappointed by that.
A trader was on the radio saying they had no customers a few days ago.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 14, 2017 20:16:20 GMT
A trader was on the radio saying they had no customers a few days ago. That’s sad to read.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Nov 14, 2017 21:22:06 GMT
Meatmaster has closed in the market, very disappointed by that. A trader was on the radio saying they had no customers a few days ago. They have a unit in osney mead industrial area as do the fishmonger if you still want them but yes sad they are not in covered market anymore.
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 14, 2017 21:25:42 GMT
Does not bode well for our shop
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Post by Eaststandboy on Nov 14, 2017 21:52:20 GMT
Meatmaster has closed in the market, very disappointed by that. A trader was on the radio saying they had no customers a few days ago. They have a unit in osney mead industrial area as do the fishmonger if you still want them but yes sad they are not in covered market anymore. Yeah we mainly use the Osney one, but handy when in the centre.
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Post by makv on Nov 14, 2017 23:30:06 GMT
I don't think there's much demand for boutique butchers, fishmongers and cheese shops in the middle of Oxford. Who wants to go into the centre of town to buy a bit of meat when the supermarket's nearer, cheaper and more convenient? It adds some character to the city centre but at a time of stressed public spending how much money should the council be pouring into businesses that nobody goes to? The high street's dying off basically. Even the Westgate has just cannibalised a lot of its shops from elsewhere in Oxford, so there's big gaps where Primark, Next, River Island and the rest used to be. Look forward to lots more university tourist tat shops, seems to be the only growing market. I often go into Oxford from Abingdon specifically to shop at 4 or 5 of the Covered Market shops.
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Post by scotters on Nov 15, 2017 6:59:57 GMT
I don't think there's much demand for boutique butchers, fishmongers and cheese shops in the middle of Oxford. Who wants to go into the centre of town to buy a bit of meat when the supermarket's nearer, cheaper and more convenient? It adds some character to the city centre but at a time of stressed public spending how much money should the council be pouring into businesses that nobody goes to? The high street's dying off basically. Even the Westgate has just cannibalised a lot of its shops from elsewhere in Oxford, so there's big gaps where Primark, Next, River Island and the rest used to be. Look forward to lots more university tourist tat shops, seems to be the only growing market. I often go into Oxford from Abingdon specifically to shop at 4 or 5 of the Covered Market shops. Fair enough, I've been a couple of times myself this year, but if they've got businesses there which don't see a customer all day I don't see how there can be a future for that.
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Post by peterdev on Nov 15, 2017 7:55:22 GMT
This is very sad to read. I've always enjoyed a trip to the covered market. I know shoe shops in there are very overpriced and of course we lost the famous shoe shop in Turl Street. Unfortunately it is a sign of the times
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Post by oufcgav on Nov 17, 2017 15:43:26 GMT
Well, the council's grand plan (at great cost from external consultants) to 'exploit the potential' of the covered market is working well. Massive rent increases over the last few years, whilst not being able to keep the roof from leaking, the water running and the rats under control, is not going to keep businesses going there. Perhaps there plan all along was to empty it, so they can bulldoze it and build some student flats.
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Post by huggett on Nov 18, 2017 11:30:50 GMT
My mate from Singapore was in England, popped over to the Ka$$ & assumed we didn't have a club shop....
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Post by makv on Nov 18, 2017 13:40:11 GMT
My mate from Singapore was in England, popped over to the Ka$$ & assumed we didn't have a club shop.... Yeah, it’s not really obvious is it?
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Post by Mark on Nov 20, 2017 13:02:37 GMT
In Guildford, the council have this idea of Gross Value Added when working out if projects are profitable or not. They have spent about £1million on converting some town centre wasteland into a "boxpark village" for small commercial units of food, clothing etc, but their projected occupancy at rents of £400 per week ended up as actual £80 per week. However, they then conjure up this GVA in order to somehow show that it isn't a complete waste of money. So each person working a stall is assumed to be a new wage that wouldn't be in the economy otherwise. Visitors to the "village" are assumed to spend money elsewhere in town that they wouldn't have done otherwise, and a % would stay overnight. It all seems fairly spurious to me.
But for instance, a free pensioners' bus pass I see would add value if my father uses bus to go into town and spend money that he wouldn't do otherwise.
The relevance I think to OUFC is that a council owned stadium could justify the expenditure even if the direct rental doesn't. For instance 800 fans travelled to Plymouth last weekend. That's providing income to the coach and train companies that transport them. Quite a few stayed overnight, and spent money outside of the ground, that's income to the local economy.
So building a community stadium employs builders and contractors, and employs people once operational, visitors may well spend money in town and accomodation too.
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