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Post by oxrox on Oct 9, 2017 11:32:35 GMT
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Post by Si Bradbury on Oct 9, 2017 11:35:40 GMT
Devastating news. He was along with his colleague in that Recruitment Dept (name escapes me) the brains behind our recruitment successes during App's reign.
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Post by oxrox on Oct 9, 2017 11:37:29 GMT
Is he moving for a new challenge? Or is Pep just stamping his authority on the back room set up?
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Post by socrates on Oct 9, 2017 11:44:29 GMT
Huge blow.
How many poor signings in the Mapp era once he got his feet under the table? What, one? Hemmings? Can't think of any others.
Probably peeved at the new direction recruitment has headed. It's not the sort of work an ambitious scout wants to be doing or 'shop window' stuff
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Post by highlights on Oct 9, 2017 11:45:38 GMT
Is he moving for a new challenge? Or is Pep just stamping his authority on the back room set up? Hard to begrudge him leaving to go to a club that size with a budget probably 10 times bigger
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Post by yellowbow on Oct 9, 2017 11:49:23 GMT
I'm a little concerned that the word 'restructured' has been used again. Hopefully we can assume that it means that a direct replacement will be sought and installed asap.
Either that or they'll ask Jerome and Nick to fill in. They watch a lot of football..
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Post by berliner on Oct 9, 2017 11:51:03 GMT
Is he moving for a new challenge? Or is Pep just stamping his authority on the back room set up? Hard to begrudge him leaving to go to a club that size with a budget probably 10 times bigger Agree with this, even if he was happy at OUFC (and who's to say he wasn't, incidentally) it's a big step upwards career-wise. Could be a Premiership scout next season...
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 9, 2017 11:54:30 GMT
Is he moving for a new challenge? Or is Pep just stamping his authority on the back room set up? A bit of both I'd guess. Leeds have PL ambitions and if CD can get a couple of key players in it will push him higher up in the game. But also Pep looks like he will be going into markets that CD may be less familiar with. We can not underestimate the role our scouting team and CD have had in our recent success. Hopefully this will be part of the natural evolution of a club rather than the end of an era.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2017 12:05:53 GMT
Perhaps the restructure is being done to acknowledge the department needs to be different due to our ambitions and the way the transfer market has changed in the past 18 months?
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Post by headingtonbarfly on Oct 9, 2017 12:22:59 GMT
His new role at Leeds is "Head of Emerging Talent 17-21"
Doubt that would have much to do with first team matters.
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Oct 9, 2017 12:28:04 GMT
hear we are getting a new scout called Baden Powell?
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 9, 2017 12:29:48 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from?
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Post by foley on Oct 9, 2017 12:34:56 GMT
Is he moving for a new challenge? Or is Pep just stamping his authority on the back room set up? I would imagine that Leeds have seen how good he is (Roofe probably put in a good word for him) and he has been offered a role at a much larger club. It is not like he has gone to Northampton... I reckon that this is yet another fall out from the success that we have had (players coaches and support team being in demand)
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Post by foley on Oct 9, 2017 12:38:20 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from? Whatever Eales is doing, I would be pretty certain that he wants the right recruitment team in place and wants to get more Ledson's/ Johnsons. So I would be staggered if he weakens that department. Incidentally you ask where the next O'Dowda comes from (being one coming through the youth set up). You would hope that Carroll, Napa, Stevens are three of the younger players who will hopefully make it and it seems clear that the youth set up is starting to get results (COD being the first fro a long time to come through)
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 9, 2017 12:44:56 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from? Whatever Eales is doing, I would be pretty certain that he wants the right recruitment team in place and wants to get more Ledson's/ Johnsons. So I would be staggered if he weakens that department. Incidentally you ask where the next O'Dowda comes from (being one coming through the youth set up). You would hope that Carroll, Napa, Stevens are three of the younger players who will hopefully make it and it seems clear that the youth set up is starting to get results (COD being the first fro a long time to come through) I sincerely hope that you are right but, I cannot help being cynical about the matter. And yes, we do have some talent coming through the youth set up so your mention of O'Dowda is right but my point about finding more talent such as Roofe and Johnson is still valid. Particularly given the intake from the last transfer period. We need to bring on talent that can earn for the club.
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Post by ag on Oct 9, 2017 12:46:56 GMT
Let's wait and see . He's done a brilliant job and is clearly likely to be sought-after elsewhere. But the team and the offerd made to young players have obviously been attractive enough to bring them here -and it looks as though that's still a key part of the plan. Fingers crossed.
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Post by eighteen93 on Oct 9, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from? Remind me. What was our recruitment department like prior to Eales’ arrival in 2014?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 9, 2017 12:48:34 GMT
Josh Parker on a free transfer
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 9, 2017 12:57:18 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from? Remind me. What was our recruitment department like prior to Eales’ arrival in 2014? Not very impressive. But, that's not what you are asking with your question. The policy of finding raw talent and developing them to the point of being able to sell for profit was instigated by Ashton, not Eales. Eales is the money man, the investor. He is the business side of the club and is looking to reward himself handsomely for his efforts. To further his investment he has allowed several posts within the club to remain vacant thus saving some not insubstantial salaries.
Yes, without his input we would be possibly in a far worse place, who knows, we may have prospered just as well under different owners but, do not try to convince me that Eales is the patron saint of all things OUFC. He is not.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Oct 9, 2017 13:55:17 GMT
His new role at Leeds is "Head of Emerging Talent 17-21" Doubt that would have much to do with first team matters. Which in the main, he was party to doing here with Appleton. Ledson, Kenny, J Graham, Roofe, Nelson, Lundstram, T Roberts, etc etc. I'm sure he had plenty of input with that little group of emerging talents.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 9, 2017 14:12:17 GMT
It's clear to me that Eales is trying incredibly hard to dismantle the club he's been involved in building in order that it can make huge losses so as to make it an unattractive prospect to any foreign business type.
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Post by makv on Oct 9, 2017 14:30:56 GMT
It's clear to me that Eales is trying incredibly hard to dismantle the club he's been involved in building in order that it can make huge losses so as to make it an unattractive prospect to any foreign business type. Yes, I think this is clear to everyone really
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 9, 2017 15:54:12 GMT
Scouts are by their nature very well connected in the game. It's unsurprising Craig Dean has been poached by Leeds, and I doubt whether Kemar Roofe needed to put in a good word.
His new role at Leeds is a very important one. Picking talent in the 17-21 age range is highly competitive, and is where the majority of bigger clubs hope to get some advantage over their rivals, by spotting the next big things before anyone else.
It's a blow to lose him, and the term "restructured" means there won't be a replacement. People will have to speculate why that is, unless Eales explains, but our scouting capabilities have been diminished.
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Post by headingtonutd on Oct 9, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
Huge blow. How many poor signings in the Mapp era once he got his feet under the table? What, one? Hemmings? Can't think of any others. Probably peeved at the new direction recruitment has headed. It's not the sort of work an ambitious scout wants to be doing or 'shop window' stuff Probably? You can't just take an outright guess at something based on your fears or assumptions and say 'probably' . It's Leeds Utd, there is every chance they will be in the Prem next year. Coaching/scouting staff are as ambitious as players and i'm sure he will be on way more money. Why can't he just want to leave to advance himself? And who says the recruitment is headed in a new direct and wasn't just straightening the imbalance with the lack of experience? We did try for some young talent too but it's harder to get them in with the promise of game time when the manager is walking out of the door.
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Post by highlights on Oct 9, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
Scouts are by their nature very well connected in the game. It's unsurprising Craig Dean has been poached by Leeds, and I doubt whether Kemar Roofe needed to put in a good word. His new role at Leeds is a very important one. Picking talent in the 17-21 age range is highly competitive, and is where the majority of bigger clubs hope to get some advantage over their rivals, by spotting the next big things before anyone else.It's a blow to lose him, and the term "restructured" means there won't be a replacement. People will have to speculate why that is, unless Eales explains, but our scouting capabilities have been diminished. This. Scouting has many levels. You can do first team oppo scouting (dull), under 16 scouting (incredibly tedious, watching games down the local common), first team recruitment (fun, but it's rare to have a 'find' at that level.). Foreign scouting (varies by patch) Then there's 17-21 scouting - that's where you unearth real gems. Kids let go at 16/17, first year pros who aren't going to make it at the top six clubs. That's where you can find real value - and where a good scout is worth his weight in gold. Just one find there, means a kid picked up for free (or v.cheap) can go on to make you millions one day. Sound familiar? Of course, because MApp valued the model so highly. Dean has proven success at this, and as such has been rewarded with a really important job at a big club. People taking our players and staff is a compliment - it means we're moving in the right direction.
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Post by essexyellows on Oct 9, 2017 17:19:38 GMT
Bloke gets promoted, probably doubles his salary & takes a big step up the career ladder.....................we all do it.
Hardly worth a meltdown is it ??
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Post by oxrox on Oct 9, 2017 17:27:01 GMT
I guess we'll have to wait and see what takes place during restructuring.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 9, 2017 18:20:39 GMT
This is the key one after the lack of investing in young players who we actually own this past summer. If this role is not properly filled or replaced then that's it, time has been called on the method that has served us so well.
The question is, why not replace the role? We've been told over and over again that this scouting and recruitment model is the only way that the club becomes sustainable - that drum was banged for easily two years in relentless fashion. It's been successful both on and off the pitch, so why scrap it? Financially it's positively essential and we can't do without it - why throw around words like 'restructure' when we could just say a replacement will be announced in due course?
In the most straight up and level headed manner I can possibly muster via text on an Internet forum, this situation is the one to watch. This will say so, so much about what is going on and what the future holds.
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Post by surbitonyellow on Oct 9, 2017 21:00:16 GMT
This is the key one after the lack of investing in young players who we actually own this past summer. If this role is not properly filled or replaced then that's it, time has been called on the method that has served us so well. The question is, why not replace the role? We've been told over and over again that this scouting and recruitment model is the only way that the club becomes sustainable - that drum was banged for easily two years in relentless fashion. It's been successful both on and off the pitch, so why scrap it? Financially it's positively essential and we can't do without it - why throw around words like 'restructure' when we could just say a replacement will be announced in due course? In the most straight up and level headed manner I can possibly muster via text on an Internet forum, this situation is the one to watch. This will say so, so much about what is going on and what the future holds. I think that's right. It will give a strong clue to the strategic direction and what, if any, real planning is taking place beyond this season. www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/15368049.Michael_Appleton_s_exit_was_not_a_shock__says_Oxford_United_chairman_Darryl_Eales/ "For me, without boring people, we are trying to build sustainable success and continuity.
“Although Michael has gone, the coaching team and recruitment team are all as one and it’s business as usual.” Normally when a business undertakes a true restructure, it is to develiver against an unmet need (not clear how a Head of Scouting departing correlates with that) or because a decision has been taken to stop doing something. The simplest measure is surely to replace the role.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 9, 2017 22:19:29 GMT
Looks like many are jumping to the conclusion that future transfers can no longer happen, and that this somehow proves that DE is once again killing the club.
It is possible that Pep has his own people to bring in or that the role will be covered within our existing scouting team. The reason given why we did not get in young British talent during the summer was that they simply did not offer value for money. It wasn't that we wasn't looking or identifying the right people by all accounts.
It is entirely possible that the crazy market will settle down and we will once again continue with the model that has served us so well. No of this needs to be dependant on CD, although that isn't meant to undermine the great work he has clearly done.
This seems to be nothing more than the natural progression of a team on and off the pitch. So good luck Craig, thanks for everything but life goes on.
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