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Post by sheikdjibouti on Sept 26, 2017 8:32:44 GMT
Can they actually play in a back four together?
All good experienced players in their own right but mostly devoid of discernible pace as a unit. It's the one thing I keep coming back to that has coincided with the last two lamentable performances. There is more to it, as apart form maybe a couple of exceptions over the last two games, nobody has really performed well.
Coincidence or not?
As has been mentioned elsewhere, as good a player as Ricardinho is, the way he tucks in and stands off the wide attacker and allows them space seems to only invite pressure. Is he concerned he will get skinned and his lack of pace/inability to turn be exposed?
But with the injuries we have, what are the alternatives?
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Post by maggiesdad on Sept 26, 2017 8:37:32 GMT
A back 3/5 with Richard and another as wing backs....
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Post by shosho on Sept 26, 2017 8:47:16 GMT
Can they actually play in a back four together? All good experienced players in their own right but mostly devoid of discernible pace as a unit. It's the one thing I keep coming back to that has coincided with the last two lamentable performances. There is more to it, as apart form maybe a couple of exceptions over the last two games, nobody has really performed well. Coincidence or not? As has been mentioned elsewhere, as good a player as Ricardinho is, the way he tucks in and stands off the wide attacker and allows them space seems to only invite pressure. Is he concerned he will get skinned and his lack of pace/inability to turn be exposed? But with the injuries we have, what are the alternatives? They did ok against Bradford, but the last two performances... I find Ricardinho's positioning bizarre. He gives the winger so much space, is this tactical? Allow the cross and trust that Williamson/Nelson will deal with the header? Also minimise deflections? I can fully understand not diving in (a la Mousinho from Walsall's first), but surely need to be at least touch tight. I would like to see a change at RB, possibly Mousinho to CB for Williamson.
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Post by Toeby on Sept 26, 2017 12:28:54 GMT
If we are playing 4 at the back, with Henry/GvK on the left and Hall on the right of midfield, I would take Williamson out the back 4 and put Mousinho there, and go for Carroll at right back (unless Ribeiro or Tiendalli are fit, which I doubt they are). If we're playing inverted wingers I think we have to have the width coming from full back and Carroll will get up and down the pitch better than Mousinho and I'd have Mousinho over Williamson at the moment.
Better still I think we should be seriously thinking about a 3-5-2 with Ricardinho and Henry as wing backs. When we switched to that against Blackpool things improved considerably and Henry had the best spell I've seen him have in an Oxford shirt (no doubt being down the right was something to do with it). It would also give us 2 up top which is better than having GvK or Thomas up front on their own as they can't do it.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 26, 2017 12:36:12 GMT
If we are playing 4 at the back, with Henry/GvK on the left and Hall on the right of midfield, I would take Williamson out the back 4 and put Mousinho there, and go for Carroll at right back (unless Ribeiro or Tiendalli are fit, which I doubt they are). If we're playing inverted wingers I think we have to have the width coming from full back and Carroll will get up and down the pitch better than Mousinho and I'd have Mousinho over Williamson at the moment. Better still I think we should be seriously thinking about a 3-5-2 with Ricardinho and Henry as wing backs. When we switched to that against Blackpool things improved considerably and Henry had the best spell I've seen him have in an Oxford shirt (no doubt being down the right was something to do with it). It would also give us 2 up top which is better than having GvK or Thomas up front on their own as they can't do it. I'd go for you first sugestion in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Sept 26, 2017 12:53:08 GMT
Is it the individuals or is it tactical?
There has been lots of discussion on here over how narrow the full backs tuck in since the first match.
Who is covering the full backs? No full back wants to be 1-1 with a winger. Is it the wingers who are supposed to be helping, or the defensive midfielders.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 26, 2017 14:44:45 GMT
Is it the individuals or is it tactical? There has been lots of discussion on here over how narrow the full backs tuck in since the first match. Who is covering the full backs? No full back wants to be 1-1 with a winger. Is it the wingers who are supposed to be helping, or the defensive midfielders. Depends on what formation you play. Withthe way we play it would suit us if 1 of the 2 sitting midfielders dropped in to make a back 5 when out of possession. That would be where I'd play mous.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Sept 26, 2017 15:02:19 GMT
Im not sure which one of the friendlies it was but Nelson at right Centre back, Ribs at Wing Back and Henry in front of him looked a very effective combination.
I would play two wing backs as available, with nelson right centre, Mous in the middle just behind them and Williamson Left Centre back.
Mous reads the game very well and appears to be an effective communicator. I would make him Captain and use his experience to its best effect.
We must stop conceding silly goals and keep a clean sheet for two or three games all successful teams are built on a solid defence and midfielders and forwards are given confidence by it. Theres nothing worse for a forward than coming out for the second half 1 or 2 goals down and trying to play catch up especially when you know in your heart the games probably gone.
Got to go now taxi awaits. Good luck tonight and safe journey to those already on the road.
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Post by dolly on Sept 26, 2017 15:02:49 GMT
Mousinho is a good player, but he is not a right back, I'd like to see Ribeiro or Carroll play if we are going to play a back 4.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Sept 26, 2017 15:04:44 GMT
If we are playing 4 at the back, with Henry/GvK on the left and Hall on the right of midfield, I would take Williamson out the back 4 and put Mousinho there, and go for Carroll at right back (unless Ribeiro or Tiendalli are fit, which I doubt they are). If we're playing inverted wingers I think we have to have the width coming from full back and Carroll will get up and down the pitch better than Mousinho and I'd have Mousinho over Williamson at the moment. Better still I think we should be seriously thinking about a 3-5-2 with Ricardinho and Henry as wing backs. When we switched to that against Blackpool things improved considerably and Henry had the best spell I've seen him have in an Oxford shirt (no doubt being down the right was something to do with it). It would also give us 2 up top which is better than having GvK or Thomas up front on their own as they can't do it. I'd go for you first sugestion in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. I would go 3-2-3-2 and go for the jugular.
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Post by Common Villager on Sept 26, 2017 15:46:14 GMT
I think Pep is trying to accommodate all three of Williamson, Mousinho, and Nelson.
He needs to pick a CB partnership and stick with it (I'd personally go for Nelson and Mousinho). The one left out will I'm sure be ready to step in in the case of injuries or poor form.
Carroll is still quite raw, but I think the defence looks to be more balanced when he's on the right as opposed to Mousinho, so I'd go for him until Ribiero is fit.
We have some very good components (as was made evident by our excellent defensive form earlier in the season), we just need to ensure they're put together properly!
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Post by yellowsarmy on Sept 26, 2017 23:31:31 GMT
I think we miss Chey. Whilst Williamson started well he seems slow now. I can't see williamson as a improvement taking the whole start of season into account. In fact Wigan had only conceeded 6 goals this season which is the second lowest in the league, i think this is testament to how good chey was for us and how underrated he was at times. Certainly Skarz, Chey Nelson and Canice is better than the back 4 we currently play.
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Post by sheikdjibouti on Sept 27, 2017 7:22:31 GMT
Last night has done nothing to change my view on this. Change the back 4 for more pace and balance, or go to back 3. Yet again nobody covered themselves in glory it seems but can't help thinking this is a major weakness that simply invites too much pressure and we fall apart.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 27, 2017 12:35:34 GMT
Ribiero had an "extensive" fitness session, so must be close to coming back in.
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Post by bullytheox86 on Sept 27, 2017 16:15:33 GMT
Ribs should be back Saturday
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