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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 17, 2017 6:14:05 GMT
In the daily mail as well now..
CITY DIARY: Oxford United owner could face a grilling over LearnDirect fiasco
Oxford United football club owner Darryl Eales could find himself in front of the public accounts committee over adult training provider Learndirect, said to be on the brink of collapse.
Eales was chief executive of Lloyds Development Capital, which purchased Learndirect from the Government for £36million in 2011.
A Financial Times investigation reveals the company spent 84 per cent of its mostly taxpayer-provided income on payments to managers and financiers.
City greybeards may recall that the last Oxford United owner to appear on the front page of the Financial Times was disgraced media tycoon, Cap'n Bob Maxwell.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Aug 17, 2017 6:33:49 GMT
Well that's negative press for Darryl and now name checking Oxford. I doubt anyone would enjoy the link to Maxwell. Certainly seems that the press are starting to run with this and getting more and more aggressive as they go. This will only add more pressure on politicians to get a select Committee involved. As for an early comment about how does this affect oxford united winning football games. That's pretty crass. This is a major nationall story that would see thousands of people lose jobs if LearnDirect goes belly up. Are we really saying football Is more important than people's livelihoods? Are we saying we are comfortable with any person owning oxford united regardless of how they made their fortune? That isn't a shot at Eales I'm talking about a wider point here. So it's very relevant when the owner of Oxford United is making national papers for negative press over business practices. Especially now that Oxford United has been brought into the story. Also made the Guardian: amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/14/learndirect-branded-inadequate-in-ofsted-report-it-tried-to-suppress
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Post by londonroader on Aug 17, 2017 6:39:05 GMT
Note to DE, please don't take a boat trip anytime in the near future as I'm sure there are people ready to push you overboard.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 17, 2017 7:07:10 GMT
It's interesting to see which posters are all over this story.
Mark you say Oxford have been brought into the story? The only mention of the football club is saying DE is now our owner. I wouldn't say that means it is bad press for Oxford United as a football club.
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Post by essexyellows on Aug 17, 2017 7:14:58 GMT
Venture capitalist .... the clue is in the name. These people play with big piles of money to create maximum return, they are spinning roulette wheels on sums of money most of us can`t even comprehend. Sometimes they win and their individual rewards are great, it can also make "normal peoples" lives better.... sometimes they lose...its not as black & white as some on here are making it out to be. As long as DE hasn`t piled loads of the cash into ENSCO/OUFC then its only by association we are discussing it........if he has to go before the parliamentary committee then his ring might start twitching a little.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 17, 2017 7:17:44 GMT
As long as DE hasn`t piled loads of the cash into ENSCO/OUFC then its only by association we are discussing it. Where would you guess the 10m that funded ENSCO came from?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 7:58:15 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points
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Post by Junior on Aug 17, 2017 8:04:18 GMT
Well that's negative press for Darryl and now name checking Oxford. I doubt anyone would enjoy the link to Maxwell. Certainly seems that the press are starting to run with this and getting more and more aggressive as they go. This will only add more pressure on politicians to get a select Committee involved. As for an early comment about how does this affect oxford united winning football games. That's pretty crass. This is a major nationall story that would see thousands of people lose jobs if LearnDirect goes belly up. Are we really saying football Is more important than people's livelihoods? Are we saying we are comfortable with any person owning oxford united regardless of how they made their fortune? That isn't a shot at Eales I'm talking about a wider point here. So it's very relevant when the owner of Oxford United is making national papers for negative press over business practices. Especially now that Oxford United has been brought into the story. Also made the Guardian: amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/14/learndirect-branded-inadequate-in-ofsted-report-it-tried-to-suppressNot doubting what you've contributed to this thread Mark. However I do get the sense you are kicking your lips everytime you post on this thread. It's a shame that you can being yourself to make any other posts on things Oufc . Have you an agenda maybe?
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Post by Junior on Aug 17, 2017 8:07:48 GMT
Do you celebrate or look back proudly at Oxford tracking the top flight and winning the milk cup? Or were worried about the people Maxwell screwed over? Shall we not mention it going forward? After all, it's pretty crass, no?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 17, 2017 8:07:54 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points A new stage of enlightenment, eh? Wonder what will happen you, me & the ole lounger stop fanning the fire?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 17, 2017 8:12:33 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points I think you answer your own question in that post OY. You are a very good poster on this forum (thankfully considering how much you post!) but you do tend to take some poster's views as truth.
It is no shock to me that Myles started this thread and then Mark Sennett is all over it. I am just waiting for Charlie to wade into the debate.
Just because people have connections doesn't mean they are always right so don't let that sway your own opinions. I would suggest twitter isn't the greatest place to get your info from either from what I have seen.
This doesn't mean questions can't be asked of the owner or how the club is run but there is a clear group of people who are still very bitter about Eales owning the club no matter how many times they try and say that's not true.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 8:15:14 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points A new stage of enlightenment, eh? Wonder what will happen you, me & the ole lounger stop fanning the fire? Thing is I do agree that questions need asking, just hadn't noticed before that nearly all of "my questions" aren't in fact my questions. But I take the flack as I talk about it more.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Aug 17, 2017 8:19:36 GMT
...there is a clear group of people who are still very bitter about Eales owning the club no matter how many times they try and say that's not true. But in this instance, it's still clearly an important issue to discuss regardless of whether there is a group of people with an agenda (of which I'm not convinced anyway, TBH). This is a front-page news story, written by people who've done a big investigation into practices at these various companies and where there are clearly questions to answer. Even the majority of us who think Eales is in general a very good chairman cannot be blind to that. The name-calling on here and labeling everyone as either an "Eales apologist" or "anti-Eales" stifles genuine probing debate and is one of the facets of this forum that stops many of us from contributing more often. (incidentally, that last comment wasn't aimed at DenisSmith'sWig directly, just a general observation)
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 8:20:18 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points I think you answer your own question in that post OY. You are a very good poster on this forum (thankfully considering how much you post!) but you do tend to take some poster's views as truth.
It is no shock to me that Myles started this thread and then Mark Sennett is all over it. I am just waiting for Charlie to wade into the debate.
Just because people have connections doesn't mean they are always right so don't let that sway your own opinions. I would suggest twitter isn't the greatest place to get your info from either from what I have seen.
This doesn't mean questions can't be asked of the owner or how the club is run but there is a clear group of people who are still very bitter about Eales owning the club no matter how many times they try and say that's not true.
Like I've said all along mate I don't have any agenda, I hold Darryl very highly as the best chairman in my time supporting. My point has always been that I don't think questions shouldn't be asked just because of successes on the pitch, it's wanting them to continue that I ask them. And a love of talking anything oufc. Maybe I'll give this forum a rest to be honest. I enjoy the chat as no one I live with or work with like football, but just seem to be in a constant argument lately rather than the more funny humorous posts. I'll stake a short break at peteburnett woodland rehab retreat
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 8:22:18 GMT
I'll say this about getting info from Twitter and Facebook. How many of those posters who constantly question Eales and his motives for the club actually bothered to attend the forum last week and asked him in person. illness & personal circumstances aside. That also goes for certain posters on here.. When I say info from twitter, I don't mean club secrets, just that it's the only other place I talk about oufc. Not that silly junior, I don't sit waiting for ox bible to break the next secret.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 17, 2017 8:32:53 GMT
Just because people have connections doesn't mean they are always right so don't let that sway your own opinions. I would suggest twitter isn't the greatest place to get your info from either from what I have seen. Yeah, doesn't mean they're always wrong either. I genuinely think that Eales is fairly dodgy and the notion that he is in it for the 'best interests of the club' is a sick joke that'll backfire on it's believers. On the other hand, oufcy has mentioned a strange phenomenon, that a few posters do sling mud and run away..... I will moderate my posting on this matter for a while.
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Post by Bue Guado on Aug 17, 2017 8:39:27 GMT
Mark Sennett did you notice a certain someone's been screenshotting your post and pasting it on his Instagram feed? I'm sure he asked you before doing so... Here's the post...
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Post by oxfordyankee on Aug 17, 2017 8:39:46 GMT
Having worked with many VCs, my experience tells me that there is no surprise in this story. They take risks with, mostly, other people's money, look for huge returns and will stop investing as soon as they lose faith, or can't mitigate their risk enough. They do so without emotion, just logic. If a way exists for them to get their investment back, they will take it. That includes winding businesses up, selling its assets and putting people out of work. As I said, no emotion, just spreadsheets and ROI requirements. They accept that some of their investments will fail, but the size of returns they look for from those that are successful outweigh the failures.
The F1 part of the story could be construed to illustrate some wrong doing, but does it? That sport lives off advertising and LearnDirect would consider it a good way to gain greater exposure. The fact that their investment it was kept inside the LDC community is a non-story, happens all the time.
The real problem for LDC and potentially its officers (past and present) is the involvement of public money, but I'd be amazed if anything criminal had happened. Murky, maybe. Criminal, very doubtful.
I'm no fan of the Daryl Eales that emerged in January, when he showed another side of his character, but all I see in this article is the distasteful side of the high-finance and VC community. I don't like the passing reference to OUFC, but the only people who will use that against us are Swindon fans, and only then the very small proportion of them who can read.
We must be careful and mindful and it's absolutely necessary to have our own cynics, to inform the readership on here and other platforms. Don't shoot the messengers, we need them.
Perhaps this story will be the catalyst for further doubts about Eales' motives regarding OUFC, but I doubt it. After all, he was a VC when he started this and he is, although not as an officer of LDC, now. No news.
Personally, I think Eales will protect the playing side of OUFC as much as he can, it's that which can deliver his ROI goal: selling a Championship club.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 17, 2017 8:43:17 GMT
Just because people have connections doesn't mean they are always right so don't let that sway your own opinions. I would suggest twitter isn't the greatest place to get your info from either from what I have seen. Yeah, doesn't mean they're always wrong either. I genuinely think that Eales is fairly dodgy and the notion that he is in it for the 'best interests of the club' is a sick joke that'll backfire on it's believers. On the other hand, oufcy has mentioned a strange phenomenon, that a few posters do sling mud and run away..... I will moderate my posting on this matter for a while. Like it has been mentioned previously on this thread. A lot of people who have a large wealth of money don't always earn it in the most moral of ways. I have discussed in private away from this forum why I think Eales has invested in Oxford United but I won't discuss that on a public forum.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 17, 2017 8:47:20 GMT
Yeah, doesn't mean they're always wrong either. I genuinely think that Eales is fairly dodgy and the notion that he is in it for the 'best interests of the club' is a sick joke that'll backfire on it's believers. On the other hand, oufcy has mentioned a strange phenomenon, that a few posters do sling mud and run away..... I will moderate my posting on this matter for a while. Like it has been mentioned previously on this thread. A lot of people who have a large wealth of money don't always earn it in the most moral of ways. I have discussed in private away from this forum why I think Eales has invested in Oxford United but I won't discuss that on a public forum.
Here cos it oxford - obviously
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 17, 2017 8:52:01 GMT
I was thinking about it last night, and I've been getting a lot of abuse for asking questions of the chairman in recent months, so I went back to see where these questions came from. I'm not itk with a direct link to the club, most of what I know comes from talking on here at games or on twitter. Now what I found was nearly all the threads I end up arguing or discussing off the pitch stuff, like finances, training ground, academy, debt, the take over (basically Darryl) all start with a post from myles, Charlie or mark. Which then gets me asking questions, people then get defensive and reply to me about how dare I, and so it goes on. And nearly all of the threads don't then have any further interactions apart from the original post by those 3 but leave me painted in a bad light that I've never intended to be in. My only motive is concern for my team, and a love of talking football (u may have noticed) now while they might still all be legitimate worries and questions that need asking maybe I need to start questioning the questions rather than looking for answers or at least let them argue their own points I think you answer your own question in that post OY. You are a very good poster on this forum (thankfully considering how much you post!) but you do tend to take some poster's views as truth.
It is no shock to me that Myles started this thread and then Mark Sennett is all over it. I am just waiting for Charlie to wade into the debate.
Just because people have connections doesn't mean they are always right so don't let that sway your own opinions. I would suggest twitter isn't the greatest place to get your info from either from what I have seen.
This doesn't mean questions can't be asked of the owner or how the club is run but there is a clear group of people who are still very bitter about Eales owning the club no matter how many times they try and say that's not true.
You will remain a peripheral and not very respected poster on here while you continue to play the man and not the ball. Your posts lack substance, detail and insight, and tend towards vague, airy allegations which you can't substantiate. I have answered the allegation that I have an agenda against Darryl at length and in detail. I adduced very specific instances in which I have been quietly helpful to DE (unlike you) over the last three years. Furthermore, I have made a deliberate point of not commenting on the Board of OUFC, let alone DE on personal matters. Once you have worked out that there is nothing specific you can nail me on, your addled mind then progresses to trying to meld other posters' views to mine, because I know those people. Again, I have dealt with this at length before. I must know at least 100 people who post on this forum, some of whom are relatives of mine (I have a very large family in Oxfordshire - oooo arrr, farrrmers) I agree with some of them on some things, and not on others. People must be judged based on what they write, not on what some mindless millennial guesses they might think, because it suits his little pet conspiracy theory. So, let me advise you again to debate honestly and sincerely. If you want to defend DE, then do so. If you're struggling to work out how to defend him because you do not understand the subject matter then PM me, and I can help you off-the-record with what a reasonable defence might look like. One other point - you do not have to defend anyone on everything. It is perfectly possible to be supportive of someone in the public eye without being a lickspittle. Most everyone in positions of power have got some things wrong and some things right in their life. Very few people are quite as bad, or quite as good, as feverish imaginations try to make them.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Aug 17, 2017 8:58:52 GMT
...you continue to play the man and not the ball... [swiftly followed by] ...your addled mind... ...some mindless millennial... ...little pet conspiracy theory... Aaaand we're at this point in the thread where the lack of self-awareness and name-calling ruins it for everyone. If anyone wants me, I'll be over at RageOnline.
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Post by Bue Guado on Aug 17, 2017 9:14:35 GMT
We've had a reasonable start to the campaign. In the league, we're 2 for 2, as our colonial friends would phrase it, without conceding and while playing some attractive attacking football. Pep seems a promising appointment, and it looks we've made some talented signings...
Better start slinging shit at Darryl's pre-OUFC business ventures, before people start to think he's doing a good job for us again!
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I'm not saying he's golden. As many have mentioned, this isn't uncommon among investors, but I doubt much that's happened is even technically illegal, just morally questionable. For those on social media trending #BringBackSartori, I'd suggest he's probably no cleaner. I'm sure it goes without saying that they're mostly just millennials who want to see us in the Premier League, and who see foreign millionaires as a guarantee of success while ignoring the Portsmouths of this world.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 17, 2017 9:25:12 GMT
We've had a reasonable start to the campaign. In the league, we're 2 for 2, as our colonial friends would phrase it, without conceding and while playing some attractive attacking football. Pep seems a promising appointment, and it looks we've made some talented signings... Better start slinging shit at Darryl's pre-OUFC business ventures, before people start to think he's doing a good job for us again! ... I'm not saying he's golden. As many have mentioned, this isn't uncommon among investors, but I doubt much that's happened is even technically illegal, just morally questionable. For those on social media trending #BringBackSartori, I'd suggest he's probably no cleaner. I'm sure it goes without saying that they're mostly just millennials who want to see us in the Premier League, and who see foreign millionaires as a guarantee of success while ignoring the Portsmouths of this world. This.
I understand why it might be of interest due to Eales being our owner but I really can't see how something that happened before Eales even owned the football club can have a negative impact in the press for OUFC.
People who keep banging on about Satori being some saviour need to get over it. Eales rejected his approach and that is the end of that. No one knows if he would of gone through with all his promises or invested as heavily as he suggested he would.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 17, 2017 9:27:35 GMT
...you continue to play the man and not the ball... [swiftly followed by] ...your addled mind... ...some mindless millennial... ...little pet conspiracy theory... Aaaand we're at this point in the thread where the lack of self-awareness and name-calling ruins it for everyone. If anyone wants me, I'll be over at RageOnline. Let's be quite clear. 1. A national newspaper article relating to OUFC is posted 2. People start debating it 3. denissmithswig (yet again) tries to close down the discussion with name-calling on a poster (me) who was not even involved 4. I call him out for name-calling and advise him to stick to discussions relating to substance or not bother at all 5. You say that MY name-calling makes you want to return to rageonline, where - presumably - such trifling matters of the national news agenda mentioning OUFC get passed over in favour of the state of the bogs in the north stand Kafka-esque.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 17, 2017 9:37:00 GMT
Oo! The water's gone muddy.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 17, 2017 9:42:54 GMT
We've had a reasonable start to the campaign. In the league, we're 2 for 2, as our colonial friends would phrase it, without conceding and while playing some attractive attacking football. Pep seems a promising appointment, and it looks we've made some talented signings... Better start slinging shit at Darryl's pre-OUFC business ventures, before people start to think he's doing a good job for us again! ... I'm not saying he's golden. As many have mentioned, this isn't uncommon among investors, but I doubt much that's happened is even technically illegal, just morally questionable. For those on social media trending #BringBackSartori, I'd suggest he's probably no cleaner. I'm sure it goes without saying that they're mostly just millennials who want to see us in the Premier League, and who see foreign millionaires as a guarantee of success while ignoring the Portsmouths of this world. This.
I understand why it might be of interest due to Eales being our owner but I really can't see how something that happened before Eales even owned the football club can have a negative impact in the press for OUFC.
People who keep banging on about Satori being some saviour need to get over it. Eales rejected his approach and that is the end of that. No one knows if he would of gone through with all his promises or invested as heavily as he suggested he would.
Who on earth is banging on about Sartori? I can only see one person doing that. He has barely been mentioned on here since some ill-advised mudslinging AGAINST him a few weeks ago. As DE said recently, and quite rightly, the Sartori bid is now irrelevant history. You infect thread after thread with your paranoia about people wanting to defenestrate DE, without understanding that nobody can have this agenda because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. DE owns OUFC, a private business, and will only sell it if and when he wants to. I read a post by oufcyellows - an old adversary of mine, as many will attest - with some sadness just now. He said that he thinks he is gojng to stop posting because everything he writes ends up in an argument. That is you, wiggy. It is YOU who turns every thread into an argument. Because you cannot accept that people will have independent thoughts on issues without it being a conspiracy. Please can you stop doing this. Post what YOU think, rather than constantly trying to tell other people what THEY think. I promise to you that it is much more fun, much less divisive and you might, you never know, learn something. Ironically, Myles Francis and I became friends after clashing swords on here over Firoz Kassam. He thought FK was a great feller at the time - I disagreed vehemently. But without the kind of allegations of wishing ill on OUFC that you constantly make we were able both to disagree and become mates. Although he will never admit it, oufcyellows and I have been on a bit of a similar journey! Start off from the presumption that everyone wants the best for the club. I shall be travelling to Scunthorpe on Saturday, and hat would be an odd thing indeed to do if I wanted us to lose, wouldn't it? Once we all agree that we are all OUFC supporters, strong and true, we can then disagree and agree without fear or favour. And the arguments can remain civil. But once you routinely go arond telling OUFC fans that they are trying to damage their club, things will disintegrate pretty quickly.
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Post by makv on Aug 17, 2017 9:43:41 GMT
Oo! The water's gone muddy. It's not mud
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 17, 2017 10:05:04 GMT
This.
I understand why it might be of interest due to Eales being our owner but I really can't see how something that happened before Eales even owned the football club can have a negative impact in the press for OUFC.
People who keep banging on about Satori being some saviour need to get over it. Eales rejected his approach and that is the end of that. No one knows if he would of gone through with all his promises or invested as heavily as he suggested he would.
Who on earth is banging on about Sartori? I can only see one person doing that. He has barely been mentioned on here since some ill-advised mudslinging AGAINST him a few weeks ago. As DE said recently, and quite rightly, the Sartori bid is now irrelevant history. You infect thread after thread with your paranoia about people wanting to defenestrate DE, without understanding that nobody can have this agenda because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. DE owns OUFC, a private business, and will only sell it if and when he wants to. I read a post by oufcyellows - an old adversary of mine, as many will attest - with some sadness just now. He said that he thinks he is gojng to stop posting because everything he writes ends up in an argument. That is you, wiggy. It is YOU who turns every thread into an argument. Because you cannot accept that people will have independent thoughts on issues without it being a conspiracy. Please can you stop doing this. Post what YOU think, rather than constantly trying to tell other people what THEY think. I promise to you that it is much more fun, much less divisive and you might, you never know, learn something. Ironically, Myles Francis and I became friends after clashing swords on here over Firoz Kassam. He thought FK was a great feller at the time - I disagreed vehemently. But without the kind of allegations of wishing ill on OUFC that you constantly make we were able both to disagree and become mates. Although he will never admit it, oufcyellows and I have been on a bit of a similar journey! Start off from the presumption that everyone wants the best for the club. I shall be travelling to Scunthorpe on Saturday, and hat would be an odd thing indeed to do if I wanted us to lose, wouldn't it? Once we all agree that we are all OUFC supporters, strong and true, we can then disagree and agree without fear or favour. And the arguments can remain civil. But once you routinely go arond telling OUFC fans that they are trying to damage their club, things will disintegrate pretty quickly. For someone with rhino skin you do seem to fly off the handle quite a lot.
As for the mention of Satori it was in reply to the comment made about people on twitter, no other reason.
I will now end interest in this thread as for whatever reason I seem to have hit a never and you seem incapable of taking your own advice with regards to 'playing the man not the post'.
Ps. Enjoy Scunny. Been there once as a fan and twice working and I have to say it is one of the least enjoyable places to watch football.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Aug 17, 2017 10:13:52 GMT
I think one thing people tend to forget is that DE now has a really genuine love for the club. This may not have been the case when he first invested the money, but it's now clear in everything he says and does. How many chairman can you name who have that emotional tie to their club (particularly those in the top two tiers of football)? Putting money into an average fourth tier club with a set of journeymen players wasn't a great financial investment - but perhaps his love of football generally has gradually morphed into a love of the club which is clearly shared by many of us.
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