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Post by scotchegg on Jul 30, 2017 13:50:06 GMT
I have to admit that part of me is glad the old Charlie is back, it wasn't easy agreeing with you recently positive posts!! But seriously, it is frustrating when you jump on your high horse and get all preachy! If you really wanted to let sleeping dogs lie, then why bring it up at all? You are in PR, so you know more than anyone the damage caused by planting a seed. It breeds rumours and creates division. You can then sit back and watch the forum split into the pro and anti DE groups, and the added issue with which side OxVox are on in all of this. All of this a matter of days after the club asks for unity amongst the fans. I know you support Oxford and have contributed more than I ever could, but it seems that your ego means that you always have to put yourself centre stage. It would be fantastic if you really could let sleeping dogs lie and get back to being someone who has a positive voice that brings value rather than negativity and division. What a load of old bollocks. I am saying - to one poster who saw fit to criticise JS and any others who might be tempted to do likewise - that my advice is not to. Because it may come with unintended negative consequences. You suggest that I put him straight. That is what I did. I told him that he was wrong, and JS was sincere and serious and that if the argument had to progress then that much would be proved. But clearly I do not want to see that happen, as has been seen by the original poster's rather courteous climbdown. That's good enough for me. I'm right behind the club and the new manager and certainly don't want to be in a position where that loyalty is tested against contractual duty to a client. Its a strange situation to be in - have a think about it from my perspective, rather than using it as an excuse to have a pop at an old foe. It's a football forum - 90% of that posted is pretty much meaningless so I don't know why you are suddenly getting precious about something said about your client? You've said before that when faced with a difficult situation a PR approach is often to throw a load of shit out as a distraction - so maybe questions about the integrity of JS was a bit too close to the bone? (Planting the seed without evidence, sound familiar?) Rather than looking at it from your perspective, I'd look at it from your clients perspective. JS is paying you well I guess and rather than coming out with a public statement to clarify his involvement in the 'takeover' you are throwing rumours and half truths about on here!! I would be looking for a refund if I were him!!!
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jul 30, 2017 15:08:53 GMT
JS would've been the owner of the club but not MD / Chief Exec. Possibly not even Chairman. Those roles would have gone to others. So there will be one or two dotted about who are probably very annoyed about the sale falling through. Possibly people who tried to buy the club when DE got it in the first place three years ago. Therefore there isn't much to be gained at this stage from continually going on about the deal / trying to figure out the whole truth. It didn't happen and that's that, and I'd think it would probably be best for everyone - and I include our current owner and chairman in this - to now shut up about it and put it to bed. We averaged 7000 home fans last season, give or take, and maybe 1% of those people actually use this forum regularly. If that, given many people on here live overseas or at other ends of the country. So it's pretty ridiculous that people from all sides place so much bloody value on it.
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 30, 2017 15:17:51 GMT
Could be difficult to let sleeping dogs lie if the subject of deal or no deal is bought up at the fans forum in a couple of weeks time.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 15:19:07 GMT
Could be difficult to let sleeping dogs lie if the subject of deal or no deal is bought up at the fans forum in a couple of weeks time. Cant see what Noel Edmonds has f*cking got to do with it ๐
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 30, 2017 15:28:40 GMT
Could be difficult to let sleeping dogs lie if the subject of deal or no deal is bought up at the fans forum in a couple of weeks time. Cant see what Noel Edmonds has f*cking got to do with it ๐ Oh dear I've let the cat out of the bag, Box-Turnbull to finally be replaced, Noel Edmunds is the new MD.
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Post by manorlounger on Jul 30, 2017 15:50:02 GMT
Cant see what Noel Edmonds has f*cking got to do with it ๐ Oh dear I've let the cat out of the bag, Box-Turnbull to finally be replaced, Noel Edmunds is the new MD. And Mr Blobby?
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 30, 2017 15:54:41 GMT
Oh dear I've let the cat out of the bag, Box-Turnbull to finally be replaced, Noel Edmunds is the new MD. And Mr Blobby? He's our new left back.๐
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Post by plonker on Jul 30, 2017 15:54:50 GMT
Oh dear I've let the cat out of the bag, Box-Turnbull to finally be replaced, Noel Edmunds is the new MD. And Mr Blobby? I've long considered myself the neon Mr Blobby. ... wait, under new forum guidelines, is that racist?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 30, 2017 15:56:40 GMT
JS would've been the owner of the club but not MD / Chief Exec. Possibly not even Chairman. Those roles would have gone to others. So there will be one or two dotted about who are probably very annoyed about the sale falling through. Possibly people who tried to buy the club when DE got it in the first place three years ago. Therefore there isn't much to be gained at this stage from continually going on about the deal / trying to figure out the whole truth. It didn't happen and that's that, and I'd think it would probably be best for everyone - and I include our current owner and chairman in this - to now shut up about it and put it to bed. We averaged 7000 home fans last season, give or take, and maybe 1% of those people actually use this forum regularly. If that, given many people on here live overseas or at other ends of the country. So it's pretty ridiculous that people from all sides place so much bloody value on it. I think you have just hit the nail on the head of who I believe DE was implying to with regards to details getting leaked during discussions. It would also explain Charlie's sudden rather aggressive approach to deflect people discussing the integrity of the JS bid.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 15:58:17 GMT
I've long considered myself the neon Mar Blobby. ... wait, under new forum guidelines, is that racist? Depends what colour your spots are
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 15:59:23 GMT
JS would've been the owner of the club but not MD / Chief Exec. Possibly not even Chairman. Those roles would have gone to others. So there will be one or two dotted about who are probably very annoyed about the sale falling through. Possibly people who tried to buy the club when DE got it in the first place three years ago. Therefore there isn't much to be gained at this stage from continually going on about the deal / trying to figure out the whole truth. It didn't happen and that's that, and I'd think it would probably be best for everyone - and I include our current owner and chairman in this - to now shut up about it and put it to bed. We averaged 7000 home fans last season, give or take, and maybe 1% of those people actually use this forum regularly. If that, given many people on here live overseas or at other ends of the country. So it's pretty ridiculous that people from all sides place so much bloody value on it. I think you have just hit the nail on the head of who I believe DE was implying to with regards to details getting leaked during discussions. It would also explain Charlie's sudden rather aggressive approach to deflect people discussing the integrity of the JS bid.
What discussions? They only met twice and there was no bid remember ๐
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 30, 2017 16:01:43 GMT
I think you have just hit the nail on the head of who I believe DE was implying to with regards to details getting leaked during discussions. It would also explain Charlie's sudden rather aggressive approach to deflect people discussing the integrity of the JS bid.
What discussions? They only met twice and there was no bid remember ๐ DE has gone on record to say they exchanged emails which counts as discussions.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 16:08:10 GMT
What discussions? They only met twice and there was no bid remember ๐ DE has gone on record to say they exchanged emails which counts as discussions. De goes on record and says a lot of things. Some like the council training ground and the meeting with the ultras often turn out to have gone pretty differently when u hear from the other party. What I don't get in this situation is I don't see what it matters unless Juan is still interested. Both have been "on record" to state dealings/ negotiations were in good spirits. Darryl has said it was in the best interests of the club, juan said he was disappointed but it's Darryls choice.
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Post by yellowhammer on Jul 30, 2017 16:14:14 GMT
So does anyone know if a bid was ever accepted? I thought the rumour was that a deal had been completed and then fell through? Thatโs what I heard anyway...
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 16:20:22 GMT
So does anyone know if a bid was ever accepted? I thought the rumour was that a deal had been completed and then fell through? Thatโs what I heard anyway... I can't see how it goes to due diligence if there isn't at least a deal in principle agreed. If like Darryl says the club isnt and never has been for sale, would Juan say I'm interested in buying the club, it's not for sale, ok I'll spend tens of thousands doing due diligence just in case u change ur mind. Or from Darryls prospective would u hand over all the books for someone else to have a look through if u didn't know he was serious or willing to meet ur valuation of the club ?
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Post by manorlounger on Jul 30, 2017 16:21:05 GMT
So does anyone know if a bid was ever accepted? I thought the rumour was that a deal had been completed and then fell through? Thatโs what I heard anyway... Shhhhhhh! We're not talking about "that" anymore. (just in case)
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 30, 2017 16:56:35 GMT
DE has gone on record to say they exchanged emails which counts as discussions. De goes on record and says a lot of things. Some like the council training ground and the meeting with the ultras often turn out to have gone pretty differently when u hear from the other party. What I don't get in this situation is I don't see what it matters unless Juan is still interested. Both have been "on record" to state dealings/ negotiations were in good spirits. Darryl has said it was in the best interests of the club, juan said he was disappointed but it's Darryls choice. How do you know the other party and telling the truth? I tend to find with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I am starting to actually feel sorry for DE as he has ploughed his own money into the football club, we have had the most success in such a short space of time that we as a fan base have seen in god knows how many years. Yet what ever he says or does fans will find a way to criticise or twist his words.
The man isn't perfect, he has said things that imply he knows he isn't either for example how he dealt with Kassam. He is possibly naรฏve as well when it comes to speaking out and being so open as it gives fans the opportunity to take his words the wrong way (top 6 budget being a great example of that).
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 17:30:41 GMT
De goes on record and says a lot of things. Some like the council training ground and the meeting with the ultras often turn out to have gone pretty differently when u hear from the other party. What I don't get in this situation is I don't see what it matters unless Juan is still interested. Both have been "on record" to state dealings/ negotiations were in good spirits. Darryl has said it was in the best interests of the club, juan said he was disappointed but it's Darryls choice. How do you know the other party and telling the truth? I tend to find with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I am starting to actually feel sorry for DE as he has ploughed his own money into the football club, we have had the most success in such a short space of time that we as a fan base have seen in god knows how many years. Yet what ever he says or does fans will find a way to criticise or twist his words.
The man isn't perfect, he has said things that imply he knows he isn't either for example how he dealt with Kassam. He is possibly naรฏve as well when it comes to speaking out and being so open as it gives fans the opportunity to take his words the wrong way (top 6 budget being a great example of that).
I don't know! But that's the beauty of debate mr wig, if u suggest one side I'll give u a reason from the other so it gets debated. I don't believe everything Darryl says, like I've said I've never met the man and spending money on my football club doesn't buy him unquestioning faith. Same as I find it odd that some will take his word as gospel over fans that have supported this club for decades , who have nothing to gain financially and only its best interests at heart. That doesn't mean I'm not great-full for the money he's spent or the success its brought. Greatest chairman in my generation how much that says about the other I don't know
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 30, 2017 17:48:06 GMT
How do you know the other party and telling the truth? I tend to find with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I am starting to actually feel sorry for DE as he has ploughed his own money into the football club, we have had the most success in such a short space of time that we as a fan base have seen in god knows how many years. Yet what ever he says or does fans will find a way to criticise or twist his words.
The man isn't perfect, he has said things that imply he knows he isn't either for example how he dealt with Kassam. He is possibly naรฏve as well when it comes to speaking out and being so open as it gives fans the opportunity to take his words the wrong way (top 6 budget being a great example of that).
I don't know! But that's the beauty of debate mr wig, if u suggest one side I'll give u a reason from the other so it gets debated. I don't believe everything Darryl says, like I've said I've never met the man and spending money on my football club doesn't buy him unquestioning faith. Same as I find it odd that some will take his word as gospel over fans that have supported this club for decades , who have nothing to gain financially and only its best interests at heart. I too don't believe everything DE says in the public domain, a lot like I don't believe a lot of what a manager says in a post match interview as a lot of it is different to what is said in an office after a game.
Obviously you will get some fans that hang on every word of what DE says and you will have others who wont ever believe a word he says.
Debate is always good and the point of a forum however I do have to question the need for some people to try and get personal and make threats such as saying that they could say things that could leave people with "egg on their face" (that's not aimed at you).
Unfortunately for DE when he bought the club it was at a time where a local, OUFC supporting group of people were also putting together a bid and lost out to him. Since then there has always been an under tone of bitterness towards DE.
All I'll I will say is bring on next Saturday when we can start worrying about football again!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 18:01:02 GMT
I don't know! But that's the beauty of debate mr wig, if u suggest one side I'll give u a reason from the other so it gets debated. I don't believe everything Darryl says, like I've said I've never met the man and spending money on my football club doesn't buy him unquestioning faith. Same as I find it odd that some will take his word as gospel over fans that have supported this club for decades , who have nothing to gain financially and only its best interests at heart. I too don't believe everything DE says in the public domain, a lot like I don't believe a lot of what a manager says in a post match interview as a lot of it is different to what is said in an office after a game.
Obviously you will get some fans that hang on every word of what DE says and you will have others who wont ever believe a word he says.
Debate is always good and the point of a forum however I do have to question the need for some people to try and get personal and make threats such as saying that they could say things that could leave people with "egg on their face" (that's not aimed at you).
Unfortunately for DE when he bought the club it was at a time where a local, OUFC supporting group of people were also putting together a bid and lost out to him. Since then there has always been an under tone of bitterness towards DE.
All I'll I will say is bring on next Saturday when we can start worrying about football again!
I've only ever said it how I've seen it. I only have 1 agenda that is my football club. And no one person, be it owner manager or player is bigger than that. I'm happy to criticise maguire if I didn't think he put the effort into a game, I'll openly state I hated it when mapp played people out of position, and Darryl is no different. Like I said he sits at the top of the pile as far as owners go, but everyone has their faults and makes mistakes. I defended him from day one when people were saying he's an asset stripper. There has been questions that I felt need answering for the good of the club, some have been, and some answers, like statements I don't think add up. I don't think we will ever get the full story from either side. It's been a rollercoaster of a close season and will be great to get back to some serious issues like where should rothwell play to see the best of him. All I do know is, long after the likes of Darryl, Juan, pep and players have gone, supporters like Stewart, jem, charlie and the rest of us will still be there watching whoever it is owning, managing or pulling on a yellows shirt, and still not agreeing which each other all the time ๐
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Post by essexyellows on Jul 31, 2017 11:36:35 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale.
Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are.
Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails.
Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose.
Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park.
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Post by foley on Jul 31, 2017 13:34:03 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale. Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are. Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails. Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose. Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park. From what I read on here that is pretty unfair. Whichever way that you look at it (and I am guessing as to who you are referring to), they are Oxford United supporters, so have the best interests of the club at heart. Now whether, had they taken over, things would have worked out, who knows. We have had the OUFC 'supporters' (Merry/ Heard) and the non OUFC supporters (Maxwell, Kassam, DE).
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 31, 2017 14:41:55 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale. Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are. Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails. Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose. Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park. I remember speaking with Jim Rosenthal when he was getting this kind of abuse when he tried to buy the club and was brushed aside by Kassam, supported by the vast majority of fans, 20 years ago now: "They only want to support whatever is in front of them at the time, without any thought or much interest in the detail. Everything is seen in binary, black and white. Heroes and villains. But remember this - if you actually come from Oxford, they will hate you for trying to help, because you have 'got above yourself'. Whereas some guy they've never heard of, and could only possibly be in it for himself, will be praised to the heavens in pathetic grovelling tones." The reality about what happened in this case has been laid out for all to see by Stewart Donald on this forum before. He heard from the Board that there was a need for new investment/ new owner, and asked me if I knew anyone. By coincidence, a few weeks later one of my clients said that he had decided to invest in a football club. I put the two together, and Stewart introduced Juan to DE, OxVox and, through OxVox, to Firoz Kassam. The bid, after 2 months of negotiations, progressed to Due Diligence. The owner then decided not to conclude the sale, as is his right. That is that, and it has all been in the public domain already. Which bit of that upsets you so much, little feller? Is it that nasty Mr Donald and all his millions? Does it make you feel unsuccessful? Is it that a poster on here knows a rich man from Latin America? Does that make you feel all angry and impotent? You write as if there was an un-wonted, "aggressive" takeover bid which got heroically thwarted at the last moment. Here's the news, as anyone who understands business will attest. There can be no aggressive takeover of a private business (excepting through the bond market, and that doesn't apply here). Either the owner of a private business wants to sell. Or he doesn't. Or maybe he does, and then he doesn't (happens all the time). Either way, ALL parties (myself included) have made it very clear that all was amicable, and remains so. So your bizarre little bursts of anger, recrimination and desire to blacken names need to be called out for what they are. Irrelevant. Wrong. Misplaced. Unproductive. Unhelpful to the club. Neither Stewart nor I want to run OUFC. We have our own businesses, and - in Stewart's case - his own football club (if JS had bought the club, his advisers from Monaco had found various people to help him run OUFC) But if the call ever goes out from the club that we have supported for over 30 years 'we could do with some help please - we're struggling here!' then the answer will, I hope, always be 'anything I can do, I'll do it.' And the petty barbs of part-time keyboard warriors like you won't change that.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 31, 2017 15:43:16 GMT
So if it was all amicable and remains so, why the threats to release the "proof" of what really happened ? It can't be both surely unless they were schrodinger's negotiations ?? ๐
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Post by arthurturner on Jul 31, 2017 15:44:24 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale. Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are. Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails. Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose. Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park. I remember speaking with Jim Rosenthal when he was getting this kind of abuse when he tried to buy the club and was brushed aside by Kassam, supported by the vast majority of fans, 20 years ago now: "They only want to support whatever is in front of them at the time, without any thought or much interest in the detail. Everything is seen in binary, black and white. Heroes and villains. But remember this - if you actually come from Oxford, they will hate you for trying to help, because you have 'got above yourself'. Whereas some guy they've never heard of, and could only possibly be in it for himself, will be praised to the heavens in pathetic grovelling tones." The reality about what happened in this case has been laid out for all to see by Stewart Donald on this forum before. He heard from the Board that there was a need for new investment/ new owner, and asked me if I knew anyone. By coincidence, a few weeks later one of my clients said that he had decided to invest in a football club. I put the two together, and Stewart introduced Juan to DE, OxVox and, through OxVox, to Firoz Kassam. The bid, after 2 months of negotiations, progressed to Due Diligence. The owner then decided not to conclude the sale, as is his right. That is that, and it has all been in the public domain already. Which bit of that upsets you so much, little feller? Is it that nasty Mr Donald and all his millions? Does it make you feel unsuccessful? Is it that a poster on here knows a rich man from Latin America? Does that make you feel all angry and impotent? You write as if there was an un-wonted, "aggressive" takeover bid which got heroically thwarted at the last moment. Here's the news, as anyone who understands business will attest. There can be no aggressive takeover of a private business (excepting through the bond market, and that doesn't apply here). Either the owner of a private business wants to sell. Or he doesn't. Or maybe he does, and then he doesn't (happens all the time). Either way, ALL parties (myself included) have made it very clear that all was amicable, and remains so. So your bizarre little bursts of anger, recrimination and desire to blacken names need to be called out for what they are. Irrelevant. Wrong. Misplaced. Unproductive. Unhelpful to the club. Neither Stewart nor I want to run OUFC. We have our own businesses, and - in Stewart's case - his own football club (if JS had bought the club, his advisers from Monaco had found various people to help him run OUFC) But if the call ever goes out from the club that we have supported for over 30 years 'we could do with some help please - we're struggling here!' then the answer will, I hope, always be 'anything I can do, I'll do it.' And the petty barbs of part-time keyboard warriors like you won't change that.
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Post by yellowhammer on Jul 31, 2017 15:45:07 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale. Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are. Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails. Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose. Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park. I remember speaking with Jim Rosenthal when he was getting this kind of abuse when he tried to buy the club and was brushed aside by Kassam, supported by the vast majority of fans, 20 years ago now: "They only want to support whatever is in front of them at the time, without any thought or much interest in the detail. Everything is seen in binary, black and white. Heroes and villains. But remember this - if you actually come from Oxford, they will hate you for trying to help, because you have 'got above yourself'. Whereas some guy they've never heard of, and could only possibly be in it for himself, will be praised to the heavens in pathetic grovelling tones." The reality about what happened in this case has been laid out for all to see by Stewart Donald on this forum before. He heard from the Board that there was a need for new investment/ new owner, and asked me if I knew anyone. By coincidence, a few weeks later one of my clients said that he had decided to invest in a football club. I put the two together, and Stewart introduced Juan to DE, OxVox and, through OxVox, to Firoz Kassam. The bid, after 2 months of negotiations, progressed to Due Diligence. The owner then decided not to conclude the sale, as is his right. That is that, and it has all been in the public domain already. Which bit of that upsets you so much, little feller? Is it that nasty Mr Donald and all his millions? Does it make you feel unsuccessful? Is it that a poster on here knows a rich man from Latin America? Does that make you feel all angry and impotent? You write as if there was an un-wonted, "aggressive" takeover bid which got heroically thwarted at the last moment. Here's the news, as anyone who understands business will attest. There can be no aggressive takeover of a private business (excepting through the bond market, and that doesn't apply here). Either the owner of a private business wants to sell. Or he doesn't. Or maybe he does, and then he doesn't (happens all the time). Either way, ALL parties (myself included) have made it very clear that all was amicable, and remains so. So your bizarre little bursts of anger, recrimination and desire to blacken names need to be called out for what they are. Irrelevant. Wrong. Misplaced. Unproductive. Unhelpful to the club. Neither Stewart nor I want to run OUFC. We have our own businesses, and - in Stewart's case - his own football club (if JS had bought the club, his advisers from Monaco had found various people to help him run OUFC) But if the call ever goes out from the club that we have supported for over 30 years 'we could do with some help please - we're struggling here!' then the answer will, I hope, always be 'anything I can do, I'll do it.' And the petty barbs of part-time keyboard warriors like you won't change that. with some of your previous comments about how the club would look really bad if you told the truth I very much doubt that ALL the information is on the public domain like youโre suggesting. We all know a bid was at least accepted in principle right? Stop pulling the wool over our eyes and either tell us the truth or donโt tell us at all.
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Post by Mark on Jul 31, 2017 16:21:25 GMT
I don't think there is any merit trying to dig around the semantics of the press releases / interviews / postings in some attempt to prove how close or not the Sartori takeover was. Fact is it didn't happen, and in the normal course of business the reasons remain private.
Can we get back to supporting the club please?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 31, 2017 16:40:08 GMT
I don't think there is any merit trying to dig around the semantics of the press releases / interviews / postings in some attempt to prove how close or not the Sartori takeover was. Fact is it didn't happen, and in the normal course of business the reasons remain private. Can we get back to supporting the club please? You're right It didn't happen, but there are quite large discrepancies between being told it was and never has been for sale, and fans saying they were offered or asked to help find buyers. And there being no bid despite it getting as far as due diligence. As u say it didn't happen so does it matter? All depends how honest u like ur reports from the club, it's not digging around these are press releases put out by the club that contradict each other. And the owner offering the club to people while saying it's not for sale is strange wouldn't u say. Of course it might not still be the case which is totally his choice, but would surely have just been easier to say- I changed my mind
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 31, 2017 16:49:28 GMT
I don't think there is any merit trying to dig around the semantics of the press releases / interviews / postings in some attempt to prove how close or not the Sartori takeover was. Fact is it didn't happen, and in the normal course of business the reasons remain private. Can we get back to supporting the club please? You're right It didn't happen, but there are quite large discrepancies between being told it was and never has been for sale, and fans saying they were offered or asked to help find buyers. And there being no bid despite it getting as far as due diligence. As u say it didn't happen so does it matter? All depends how honest u like ur reports from the club, it's not digging around these are press releases put out by the club that contradict each other. And the owner offering the club to people while saying it's not for sale is strange wouldn't u say. Of course it might not still be the case which is totally his choice, but would surely have just been easier to say- I changed my mind But what is the end point/purpose of continuing to cover the same ground over and over?
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Post by manorlounger on Jul 31, 2017 16:54:44 GMT
Lets be honest there are certain individuals that can`t buy the club but are always "there or thereabouts" when its up for sale. Those same folk may have wealthy friends/clients who could buy the club and they expect to ride in on their coat tails telling all & sundry how great they are. Lets think for a moment how it must feel having the door shut in your face on numerous occasions or falling off said coat tails. Kind of explains such petty bitterness I suppose. Anyone wants the club then find the money & buy it .......or accept you can`t and muck in with the ones that are there whilst leaving one`s ego outside in the car park. I remember speaking with Jim Rosenthal when he was getting this kind of abuse when he tried to buy the club and was brushed aside by Kassam, supported by the vast majority of fans, 20 years ago now: "They only want to support whatever is in front of them at the time, without any thought or much interest in the detail. Everything is seen in binary, black and white. Heroes and villains. But remember this - if you actually come from Oxford, they will hate you for trying to help, because you have 'got above yourself'. Whereas some guy they've never heard of, and could only possibly be in it for himself, will be praised to the heavens in pathetic grovelling tones." The reality about what happened in this case has been laid out for all to see by Stewart Donald on this forum before. He heard from the Board that there was a need for new investment/ new owner, and asked me if I knew anyone. By coincidence, a few weeks later one of my clients said that he had decided to invest in a football club. I put the two together, and Stewart introduced Juan to DE, OxVox and, through OxVox, to Firoz Kassam. The bid, after 2 months of negotiations, progressed to Due Diligence. The owner then decided not to conclude the sale, as is his right. That is that, and it has all been in the public domain already. Which bit of that upsets you so much, little feller? Is it that nasty Mr Donald and all his millions? Does it make you feel unsuccessful? Is it that a poster on here knows a rich man from Latin America? Does that make you feel all angry and impotent? You write as if there was an un-wonted, "aggressive" takeover bid which got heroically thwarted at the last moment. Here's the news, as anyone who understands business will attest. There can be no aggressive takeover of a private business (excepting through the bond market, and that doesn't apply here). Either the owner of a private business wants to sell. Or he doesn't. Or maybe he does, and then he doesn't (happens all the time). Either way, ALL parties (myself included) have made it very clear that all was amicable, and remains so. So your bizarre little bursts of anger, recrimination and desire to blacken names need to be called out for what they are. Irrelevant. Wrong. Misplaced. Unproductive. Unhelpful to the club. Neither Stewart nor I want to run OUFC. We have our own businesses, and - in Stewart's case - his own football club (if JS had bought the club, his advisers from Monaco had found various people to help him run OUFC) But if the call ever goes out from the club that we have supported for over 30 years 'we could do with some help please - we're struggling here!' then the answer will, I hope, always be 'anything I can do, I'll do it.' And the petty barbs of part-time keyboard warriors like you won't change that. Flipping heck Charlie! You've now got me wanting to like your posting!
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