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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 27, 2017 12:25:53 GMT
I've never seen a beery kid in the East Stand. Plenty of sugar rushes and middle fingers to the oppo goalie, and that's just from the Ultras
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Post by foley on Jul 27, 2017 12:33:40 GMT
That's not what Darryl said? He said that 'We have sold 4,502 for this season whereas this time last season we had sold 4,696'. So according to that we are 194 down which is pretty good I would have thought. I guess from that, the assumption is that quite a few will buy ST's before the first home game (one more pay day)? If we sell only a couple of hundred less than last season then the revenue will have increased quite significantly. Hopefully with the couple of quality new players we would expect to sign before the Pompey game we can get close to that number. I'm aware he was stating like-for-like in the Q&A. I meant we have to sell another 850 to match last seasons figure; meaning we have about 2 weeks to sell 850 season tickets. I thought that would have been pretty obvious.
As for the amount of of income generated. I guess we'll never know for sure, hopefully it was worthwhile though. No it wasn't obvious. You stated that 'It's fair to say the increase in season ticket prices won't have actually increased (season ticket) revenue very much, if at all, which is a shame'. That is not true assuming that some are purchased in the next couple of weeks (and I assume that a lot were purchased in the last 2 weeks last season)
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Post by grenobleroad on Jul 27, 2017 14:29:52 GMT
Well excuse me. I'm an East Stand STH and I have never considered myself to be either beery or loathsome, although I suppose I could be macrophileous if I knew what it meant. It means you probably stand erect and turn veiny as you spit your man venom out.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 27, 2017 14:30:05 GMT
My general feeling after reading the Q&A is one of optimism. DE seems genuinely bemused with some of the negative comments he, probably, reads on here. The problem of the modern age I guess, in the old days we all air our gripes down the local boozer. It was unfortunate that the Sartori business was all so public. All it did was fill supporters heads with unreasonable excitement of large investment and led to destabilising things with, as it appears, anything substantial or definite behind it. Was Sartori really as sincere as we all thought..? The real elephant in the room is, as ever, the stadium issue. Is Oxvox still in discussions with Kassam over resolving this? Can an alternative site such as WE still be considered? Bonkers maybe but is there a realistic chance that CPF could site a suitable stadium..? I don't think it's in anyone's interest to pursue the particular line of enquiry/ suggestion in your first paragraph. I know of one very eminent OUFC supporter who might feel compelled to produce documentary evidence to the contrary, which would be embarrassing for all concerned, certainly OxVox and the club. There are times - this situation has been one - when there is no great need for the truth to emerge, but when sincere people's integrity start to be questioned then the truth will indeed need to come out, with egg on everyone's faces. In short, be careful what you wish for. On your second point, yes that is bonkers, you're right.
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Post by foley on Jul 27, 2017 15:00:22 GMT
My general feeling after reading the Q&A is one of optimism. DE seems genuinely bemused with some of the negative comments he, probably, reads on here. The problem of the modern age I guess, in the old days we all air our gripes down the local boozer. It was unfortunate that the Sartori business was all so public. All it did was fill supporters heads with unreasonable excitement of large investment and led to destabilising things with, as it appears, anything substantial or definite behind it. Was Sartori really as sincere as we all thought..? I don't think it's in anyone's interest to pursue the particular line of enquiry/ suggestion in your first paragraph. I know of one very eminent OUFC supporter who might feel compelled to produce documentary evidence to the contrary, which would be embarrassing for all concerned, certainly OxVox and the club. There are times - this situation has been one - when there is no great need for the truth to emerge, but when sincere people's integrity start to be questioned then the truth will indeed need to come out, with egg on everyone's faces. In short, be careful what you wish for. Mmm. I reckon that Mr Eales may need a bit of PR help Charlie. It is hugely frustrating that what appears to be a very good message (the budget on the team- assuming this happens/ training facilities etc) seems to be dampened by 'facts as given' that may not be so. I must admit that it makes no sense at all that Due diligence would go ahead without an indicative offer being on the table, so I always had my doubts there.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jul 27, 2017 15:33:03 GMT
My general feeling after reading the Q&A is one of optimism. DE seems genuinely bemused with some of the negative comments he, probably, reads on here. The problem of the modern age I guess, in the old days we all air our gripes down the local boozer. It was unfortunate that the Sartori business was all so public. All it did was fill supporters heads with unreasonable excitement of large investment and led to destabilising things with, as it appears, anything substantial or definite behind it. Was Sartori really as sincere as we all thought..? The real elephant in the room is, as ever, the stadium issue. Is Oxvox still in discussions with Kassam over resolving this? Can an alternative site such as WE still be considered? Bonkers maybe but is there a realistic chance that CPF could site a suitable stadium..? I don't think it's in anyone's interest to pursue the particular line of enquiry/ suggestion in your first paragraph. I know of one very eminent OUFC supporter who might feel compelled to produce documentary evidence to the contrary, which would be embarrassing for all concerned, certainly OxVox and the club. There are times - this situation has been one - when there is no great need for the truth to emerge, but when sincere people's integrity start to be questioned then the truth will indeed need to come out, with egg on everyone's faces. In short, be careful what you wish for. On your second point, yes that is bonkers, you're right. If 'there is no great need for the truth to emerge' then why allude to a smoking gun? The divisions created in the fan base are potentially damaging to the club IMO and your post just fuels the conspiracy theories. As i have said in previous posts, i am as far from ITK as it gets, so have no idea who is/isn't telling the truth, but as per my original point, if the truth doesn't need to out, then why raise this?
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 27, 2017 16:15:01 GMT
I don't think it's in anyone's interest to pursue the particular line of enquiry/ suggestion in your first paragraph. I know of one very eminent OUFC supporter who might feel compelled to produce documentary evidence to the contrary, which would be embarrassing for all concerned, certainly OxVox and the club. There are times - this situation has been one - when there is no great need for the truth to emerge, but when sincere people's integrity start to be questioned then the truth will indeed need to come out, with egg on everyone's faces. In short, be careful what you wish for. On your second point, yes that is bonkers, you're right. If 'there is no great need for the truth to emerge' then why allude to a smoking gun? The divisions created in the fan base are potentially damaging to the club IMO and your post just fuels the conspiracy theories. As i have said in previous posts, i am as far from ITK as it gets, so have no idea who is/isn't telling the truth, but as per my original point, if the truth doesn't need to out, then why raise this? Erm, reading something properly helps before jumping in with inane witterings. It has been documented on here that Juan Sartori is a friend and client of mine. He was introduced to the club by another supporter who is also a friend of mine. If his and their integrity and sincerity is going to be questioned then I shall defend him/ them. Unless you're a total moron you will, I hope, understand that. Until now, and despite some provocation, the greater good of the club has prevailed in drawing a line under that episode, rather than needless truth-telling. But if friends of mine are going to have their character questioned then that will not be allowed to pass without allowing people to assess the truth of the situation and of people's moral integrity from proper evidence, rather than hearsay.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2017 16:25:00 GMT
Ohhhh now that's a game changer. There is evidence, what will the people defending Darryl and calling everyone else a liar or having an agenda, or plain making it up do now
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jul 27, 2017 16:36:49 GMT
If 'there is no great need for the truth to emerge' then why allude to a smoking gun? The divisions created in the fan base are potentially damaging to the club IMO and your post just fuels the conspiracy theories. As i have said in previous posts, i am as far from ITK as it gets, so have no idea who is/isn't telling the truth, but as per my original point, if the truth doesn't need to out, then why raise this? Erm, reading something properly helps before jumping in with inane witterings. It has been documented on here that Juan Sartori is a friend and client of mine. He was introduced to the club by another supporter who is also a friend of mine. If his and their integrity and sincerity is going to be questioned then I shall defend him/ them. Unless you're a total moron you will, I hope, understand that. Until now, and despite some provocation, the greater good of the club has prevailed in drawing a line under that episode, rather than needless truth-telling. But if friends of mine are going to have their character questioned then that will not be allowed to pass without allowing people to assess the truth of the situation and of people's moral integrity from proper evidence, rather than hearsay. It isnt hard to respond without childish name calling, please try. As to the rest of your post, yes i understand what you are saying (even a moron like i can), but my point is that if you want to reveal all and then do so, dont keep saying you might and lording it over people as some sort of ITK threat If you look at some of the stuff that is written about DE on here then i think it makes any comments about JS's intentions look pretty mild in comparison. In fact i am not sure i have seen anything of any note that questions what JS's intentions were/are, most of us (myself included) have no idea what was discussed in background and frankly i dont care.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 27, 2017 16:41:31 GMT
Ohhhh now that's a game changer. There is evidence, what will the people defending Darryl and calling everyone else a liar or having an agenda, or plain making it up do now Hopefully we will all move on and resist the temptation to go back and re-write history, or collude in that effort. But if that history does have to be written, then it will be done, as all good history is, from proper source material, not hearsay and slanted supposition. Now - onto merrier matters. If we are indeed going to sign 4 top players in the next month, which positions (other than left back) should they be in?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2017 16:47:43 GMT
To be honest Darryl would have to be pretty silly to come out and say there wasn't an offer on the table. Or that the club was and never has been for sale if it wasn't true. As like with the council statement last year, the other party be that Juan, stew or even firoz will just come out and correct it if they feel they are being put in a bad light. But as u say 4 top players coming in, not sure where it has been announced it will be 4. 2 top players much talked about left back and striker, and two top level youth loans , a right winger plus 1 maybe
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 27, 2017 16:50:27 GMT
Erm, reading something properly helps before jumping in with inane witterings. It has been documented on here that Juan Sartori is a friend and client of mine. He was introduced to the club by another supporter who is also a friend of mine. If his and their integrity and sincerity is going to be questioned then I shall defend him/ them. Unless you're a total moron you will, I hope, understand that. Until now, and despite some provocation, the greater good of the club has prevailed in drawing a line under that episode, rather than needless truth-telling. But if friends of mine are going to have their character questioned then that will not be allowed to pass without allowing people to assess the truth of the situation and of people's moral integrity from proper evidence, rather than hearsay. It isnt hard to respond without childish name calling, please try. As to the rest of your post, yes i understand what you are saying (even a moron like i can), but my point is that if you want to reveal all and then do so, dont keep saying you might and lording it over people as some sort of ITK threat If you look at some of the stuff that is written about DE on here then i think it makes any comments about JS's intentions look pretty mild in comparison. In fact i am not sure i have seen anything of any note that questions what JS's intentions were/are, most of us (myself included) have no idea what was discussed in background and frankly i dont care. Cripes, you only have to read back four posts to see his sincerity being questioned. And given what he said on RadOx after his bid, that would automatically call his integrity into question. If you think that I, as his PR adviser, should let that line if attack develop then I can only say that I'm glad you don't work for me. On the subject of attacks on DE, he has many captive platforms to defend himself and put his side of the story, unquestioned and untrammelled. Quite right too! He even has oxvox to distribute his views for free. But JS does not have the luxury of the match day programme, fans fora or the club website to defend himself. Does this make any sense?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 27, 2017 16:52:51 GMT
With all due respect Charlie, you are coming across as a bit bitter and childish. I am sure your friend Satori is big enough and old enough that if he felt he needed to, could defend himself through the means of the press. I am sure he doesn't need you fighting his corner. After all this is a football forum. Things will be said all the time that question people's integerority which has been done with Eales all summer, some question Satori's real intentions and I personally would question why you have all of sudden started making threats about truths coming out which will embarrass the club and OxVox? Stewart Donald was the one who introduced Satori to Eales yet I don't see him suddenly throwing his toys out the peak and making threats?
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Post by chippsy on Jul 27, 2017 16:55:43 GMT
It's not as simple as that. The club has attempted a re-structuring of how he stadium is used. This is a STRATEGIC move, not a tactical one, and if the revenue is the same as last season then it will almost certainly prove a successful strategic move. Why? Because they are going to want, gradually, to push the South Stand into being a variety of premium offers, on a ladder system, by which you might start off with a premium (SSU) seat, then move onto a hospitality package, then onto a lounge seat, then onto a VP package, then onto a box. To do that, they have had to start the process of moving people out of that stand who are never going to be interested in those packages into the North Stand, where there is plenty of room and excellent views. So, broadly, you have premium customers in SSU, families in North Stand, and beery punters in the East Stand. All 'fans', just different types of fans in different set-ups. Frankly, the number of tickets sold to date probably makes this the right judgement call in the short-term, and definitely the right call for the medium term. The revenue may not be entirely commensurate, because there are quite a lot of people who have 'traded down', but the space they free up for more occasional supporters paying higher prices on a match-by-mach basis will more than make up for that. Thanks for your reply, I found it interesting, your analysis of the reasons behind season ticket price hike may proved to be correct, time will tell I suppose. However truth be told I found your post quite depressing. I'm a simple soul and would prefer more supporters in the stadium creating more noise and a better atmosphere for the players to thrive in. If the football and results are good then that will happen surely. The upside being that if/when demand increases there will be more seats available at the higher price whereas last season these were already reserved by the higher number of season ticket holders. Has to be a win win surely.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jul 27, 2017 17:09:28 GMT
It isnt hard to respond without childish name calling, please try. As to the rest of your post, yes i understand what you are saying (even a moron like i can), but my point is that if you want to reveal all and then do so, dont keep saying you might and lording it over people as some sort of ITK threat If you look at some of the stuff that is written about DE on here then i think it makes any comments about JS's intentions look pretty mild in comparison. In fact i am not sure i have seen anything of any note that questions what JS's intentions were/are, most of us (myself included) have no idea what was discussed in background and frankly i dont care. Cripes, you only have to read back four posts to see his sincerity being questioned. And given what he said on RadOx after his bid, that would automatically call his integrity into question. If you think that I, as his PR adviser, should let that line if attack develop then I can only say that I'm glad you don't work for me. On the subject of attacks on DE, he has many captive platforms to defend himself and put his side of the story, unquestioned and untrammelled. Quite right too! He even has oxvox to distribute his views for free. But JS does not have the luxury of the match day programme, fans fora or the club website to defend himself. Does this make any sense? Sum's it up for me. You say just enough without saying anything. As for the luxury of a match day programme, club website blah blah. If he wanted to say something I'm sure the Oxford Mail would take his call, social media is available and he is more then welcome to post on this forum. He also has you? I've got no interest in Juan Satori anymore. Nothing against the guy and have no bad views on him which is echoed across this forum. He was someone who wanted to buy the club in the last few months and unless he tries to buy it again then I will forget him reasonably quickly. I will let others get sucked in by your PR mumbo jumbo, as mentioned above if you have something to say then say it. Stop leaving crumbs of guff for others to feed off.
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 27, 2017 17:24:21 GMT
Thanks for your reply, I found it interesting, your analysis of the reasons behind season ticket price hike may proved to be correct, time will tell I suppose. However truth be told I found your post quite depressing. I'm a simple soul and would prefer more supporters in the stadium creating more noise and a better atmosphere for the players to thrive in. If the football and results are good then that will happen surely. The upside being that if/when demand increases there will be more seats available at the higher price whereas last season these were already reserved by the higher number of season ticket holders. Has to be a win win surely. I see your point As I said earlier it all about revenue and the bottom line. If revenue increases regardless of whether season tickets sales increase or decrease then the club will feel that the season ticket price hike is justified. I think it's a bit of a shame that some very loyal supporters feel they need to 'downgrade' because of price hikes. Let's hope all the expensive seats are sold for each game. Always such a shame to see the best seats empty at sporting occasions.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2017 17:42:48 GMT
With all due respect Charlie, you are coming across as a bit bitter and childish. I am sure your friend Satori is big enough and old enough that if he felt he needed to, could defend himself through the means of the press. I am sure he doesn't need you fighting his corner. After all this is a football forum. Things will be said all the time that question people's integerority which has been done with Eales all summer, some question Satori's real intentions and I personally would question why you have all of sudden started making threats about truths coming out which will embarrass the club and OxVox? Stewart Donald was the one who introduced Satori to Eales yet I don't see him suddenly throwing his toys out the peak and making threats? Not making threats no, but stew has said very similar on here previously. Back our Chairman. r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=98885&share_tid=25896&share_pid=694592&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyellowsforum%2Eco%2Euk%2Fpost%2F694592%2Fthread%2F25896&share_type=t
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Post by yellowbow on Jul 27, 2017 18:31:53 GMT
Woah I think people need to take a deep breath and back the truck up a little bit. Charlie has probably come out swinging because of my post questioning JS's sincerity in purchasing the club. I never meant it a a personal insult, I just meant maybe he wasn't as committed to buying the club as many fans thought. Maybe he has other irons in the fire and was just sounding the club out. Nothing wrong with that, just normal business acumen.
There's a chance that DE's comments have been over analysed. When he says he never received a formal bid, maybe he means that after due diligence had been carried out the whole process was dragging out too much for it to be healthy for the club in such a crucial period of the close season? I don't know, but it's a shame if huge divisions open up between different factions of the fan base over a possible misinterpretation when we should all be pulling in the same direction. The most important snippet I took was DEcsaying the discussions remained very amicable all the way through.
Personally, I wouldn't care who's in charge of the club as long as it's heading in the right direction, and as it stands I don't have too many complaints at present. Far less than i have done in the past anyway. That doesn't make me a DE disciple though, I'll question any custodian if I think things aren't right.
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Post by Barts on Jul 27, 2017 19:05:16 GMT
My view fwiw, is that Charlie has been very supportive of DE recently, but as has been said he is acting as JS pr so he has a duty to defend his integrity when its questioned. Whether it be on a forum or sky news!
I think the main problem is, some people keep a professional confidence and others like to make themselves look good at others expense.
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Post by notaswindonfan on Jul 27, 2017 20:58:32 GMT
The majority of the North Stand is beery. Are we surplus to the future requirements? Will we be breathalysed and frogmarched to the East Stand and forced to stand among the stench, the macrophileous and the plain loathsome? You are most welcome
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Post by sm86 on Jul 28, 2017 19:21:59 GMT
If 'there is no great need for the truth to emerge' then why allude to a smoking gun? The divisions created in the fan base are potentially damaging to the club IMO and your post just fuels the conspiracy theories. As i have said in previous posts, i am as far from ITK as it gets, so have no idea who is/isn't telling the truth, but as per my original point, if the truth doesn't need to out, then why raise this? Erm, reading something properly helps before jumping in with inane witterings. It has been documented on here that Juan Sartori is a friend and client of mine. He was introduced to the club by another supporter who is also a friend of mine. If his and their integrity and sincerity is going to be questioned then I shall defend him/ them. Unless you're a total moron you will, I hope, understand that. Until now, and despite some provocation, the greater good of the club has prevailed in drawing a line under that episode, rather than needless truth-telling. But if friends of mine are going to have their character questioned then that will not be allowed to pass without allowing people to assess the truth of the situation and of people's moral integrity from proper evidence, rather than hearsay. Charlie if you have something to say just say it, seems an empty threat otherwise. It's almost like you need a couple of minutes in the spot light.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jul 29, 2017 12:01:34 GMT
On the subject of attacks on DE, he has many captive platforms to defend himself and put his side of the story, unquestioned and untrammelled. Quite right too! He even has oxvox to distribute his views for free. I'm not entirely sure that's how OxVox sees it's role. I might be a tad miffed to be described as an Ealsist lackey, were I on their committee.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 30, 2017 9:04:20 GMT
Erm, reading something properly helps before jumping in with inane witterings. It has been documented on here that Juan Sartori is a friend and client of mine. He was introduced to the club by another supporter who is also a friend of mine. If his and their integrity and sincerity is going to be questioned then I shall defend him/ them. Unless you're a total moron you will, I hope, understand that. Until now, and despite some provocation, the greater good of the club has prevailed in drawing a line under that episode, rather than needless truth-telling. But if friends of mine are going to have their character questioned then that will not be allowed to pass without allowing people to assess the truth of the situation and of people's moral integrity from proper evidence, rather than hearsay. Charlie if you have something to say just say it, seems an empty threat otherwise. It's almost like you need a couple of minutes in the spot light. No. The situation is quite simple. I know what happened. And for upwards of two months have seen no upside in disclosing that. In fact, I have perceived a downside in disclosure, which is needless embarrassment to various folk. Why do that? But that willingness to 'draw a line', move on and fling the truth onto a dusty shelf does not pertain when people start to attempt their own untrue narrative. So I am suggesting to those people that their own actions are making it inevitable that those who were involved in the saga will be dragged into telling the truth to salvage their good name. So, in sum, best let sleeping dogs lie, eh?
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Post by manorlounger on Jul 30, 2017 10:36:07 GMT
Charlie if you have something to say just say it, seems an empty threat otherwise. It's almost like you need a couple of minutes in the spot light. No. The situation is quite simple. I know what happened. And for upwards of two months have seen no upside in disclosing that. In fact, I have perceived a downside in disclosure, which is needless embarrassment to various folk. Why do that? But that willingness to 'draw a line', move on and fling the truth onto a dusty shelf does not pertain when people start to attempt their own untrue narrative. So I am suggesting to those people that their own actions are making it inevitable that those who were involved in the saga will be dragged into telling the truth to salvage their good name. So, in sum, best let sleeping dogs lie, eh? You really can be a pretentious prat Charlie. Most of the time you post intelligent articulate stuff with insight from your perspective and knowledge but this latest line of yours is just irritating. So, you know what happened but you are not going to tell us. You infer that the truth will embarrass some folk but no names are mentioned leading inevitably to more speculation. You call on those attempting their own untrue narrative to draw a line but again, who are these folk? and which truth/untruth? "Let sleeping dogs lie"? Ok Charlie. Let's do just that shall we? All bury our heads and forget that anything happened. Nothing to see here, move along. Really? I just hope that the "truth" does not, by inaction on the part of those who are in the know, have consequences for our club.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 30, 2017 11:13:51 GMT
No. The situation is quite simple. I know what happened. And for upwards of two months have seen no upside in disclosing that. In fact, I have perceived a downside in disclosure, which is needless embarrassment to various folk. Why do that? But that willingness to 'draw a line', move on and fling the truth onto a dusty shelf does not pertain when people start to attempt their own untrue narrative. So I am suggesting to those people that their own actions are making it inevitable that those who were involved in the saga will be dragged into telling the truth to salvage their good name. So, in sum, best let sleeping dogs lie, eh? You really can be a pretentious prat Charlie. Most of the time you post intelligent articulate stuff with insight from your perspective and knowledge but this latest line of yours is just irritating. So, you know what happened but you are not going to tell us. You infer that the truth will embarrass some folk but no names are mentioned leading inevitably to more speculation. You call on those attempting their own untrue narrative to draw a line but again, who are these folk? and which truth/untruth? "Let sleeping dogs lie"? Ok Charlie. Let's do just that shall we? All bury our heads and forget that anything happened. Nothing to see here, move along. Really? I just hope that the "truth" does not, by inaction on the part of those who are in the know, have consequences for our club. No, it doesn't. The situation was, and is, fine. The club is a private business, whether fans like that or not. We have no right to know what happens at board level. For instance, the selection process for the new manager. We might be curious to know what happened, but there is no benefit to our knowing. All supporters need to know about the Sartori bid is that it was turned down. And therefore the situation is that DE continues to be a willing owner of the club (as opposed to being the owner for want of an alternative). Of course I know that it would be interesting for people to know the ins and outs of the process (as with manager selection) but what is the strategic benefit to the club in that? Or, indeed, to Juan Sartori? However, that situation inevitably changes if attempts are made to historify the saga. In that situation, inevitably participants will not want history to record them s flaky, insincere and lacking in integrity, especially if that was not the case. So when a poster decided to take DE's answers and attempt to interpret them as 'the Sartori bid was insincere', in the interests of unity and being able to move forwards together I suggested (and suggest again) that the best way forward is not to head down the dirty laundry route. There can be no benefit, on the eve of the new season in diving headlong into a subject matter that should (in my view) be left to cool off on a dry and dusty top shelf. Who knows? Maybe JS can be persuaded to invest in the club in a way that DE finds acceptable. That is less, not more, likely if his original bid is mis-interpreted.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 11:23:40 GMT
But by your own words if it's best to let sleeping dogs lie and move forward why mention it? Take ur own advise. If u feel someone has been wrongly quoted or painted in a bad light say so. What u have done is neither. As ur just prolonging the argument and not letting anything lie, clearly waiting for someone to make a comment or even provoke a comment that means u can dive headlong into it. . It's like every other itk poster who knows who we are signing, but can't possibly say who.
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Post by scotchegg on Jul 30, 2017 11:23:48 GMT
Charlie if you have something to say just say it, seems an empty threat otherwise. It's almost like you need a couple of minutes in the spot light. No. The situation is quite simple. I know what happened. And for upwards of two months have seen no upside in disclosing that. In fact, I have perceived a downside in disclosure, which is needless embarrassment to various folk. Why do that? But that willingness to 'draw a line', move on and fling the truth onto a dusty shelf does not pertain when people start to attempt their own untrue narrative. So I am suggesting to those people that their own actions are making it inevitable that those who were involved in the saga will be dragged into telling the truth to salvage their good name. So, in sum, best let sleeping dogs lie, eh? I have to admit that part of me is glad the old Charlie is back, it wasn't easy agreeing with you recently positive posts!! But seriously, it is frustrating when you jump on your high horse and get all preachy! If you really wanted to let sleeping dogs lie, then why bring it up at all? You are in PR, so you know more than anyone the damage caused by planting a seed. It breeds rumours and creates division. You can then sit back and watch the forum split into the pro and anti DE groups, and the added issue with which side OxVox are on in all of this. All of this a matter of days after the club asks for unity amongst the fans. I know you support Oxford and have contributed more than I ever could, but it seems that your ego means that you always have to put yourself centre stage. It would be fantastic if you really could let sleeping dogs lie and get back to being someone who has a positive voice that brings value rather than negativity and division.
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Post by plonker on Jul 30, 2017 11:53:09 GMT
But by your own words if it's best to let sleeping dogs lie and move forward why mention it? Take ur own advise. If u feel someone has been wrongly quoted or painted in a bad light say so. What u have done is neither. As ur just prolonging the argument and not letting anything lie, clearly waiting for someone to make a comment or even provoke a comment that means u can dive headlong into it. . It's like every other itk poster who knows who we are signing, but can't possibly say who. Exactly. As for people on a fans forum trying to rewrite history, well, that's nonsense. History has been penned by Darryl and as there is no reason to believe otherwise, that's the narrative most people will believe. Don't like it? Fine. So you either correct the narrative or you don't. If what Darryl has said is acceptable - though maybe not favourable - then drop it and move on. Old Chinese proverb: prolonging argument will no doggies sleep.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 30, 2017 12:59:24 GMT
No. The situation is quite simple. I know what happened. And for upwards of two months have seen no upside in disclosing that. In fact, I have perceived a downside in disclosure, which is needless embarrassment to various folk. Why do that? But that willingness to 'draw a line', move on and fling the truth onto a dusty shelf does not pertain when people start to attempt their own untrue narrative. So I am suggesting to those people that their own actions are making it inevitable that those who were involved in the saga will be dragged into telling the truth to salvage their good name. So, in sum, best let sleeping dogs lie, eh? I have to admit that part of me is glad the old Charlie is back, it wasn't easy agreeing with you recently positive posts!! But seriously, it is frustrating when you jump on your high horse and get all preachy! If you really wanted to let sleeping dogs lie, then why bring it up at all? You are in PR, so you know more than anyone the damage caused by planting a seed. It breeds rumours and creates division. You can then sit back and watch the forum split into the pro and anti DE groups, and the added issue with which side OxVox are on in all of this. All of this a matter of days after the club asks for unity amongst the fans. I know you support Oxford and have contributed more than I ever could, but it seems that your ego means that you always have to put yourself centre stage. It would be fantastic if you really could let sleeping dogs lie and get back to being someone who has a positive voice that brings value rather than negativity and division. What a load of old bollocks. I am saying - to one poster who saw fit to criticise JS and any others who might be tempted to do likewise - that my advice is not to. Because it may come with unintended negative consequences. You suggest that I put him straight. That is what I did. I told him that he was wrong, and JS was sincere and serious and that if the argument had to progress then that much would be proved. But clearly I do not want to see that happen, as has been seen by the original poster's rather courteous climbdown. That's good enough for me. I'm right behind the club and the new manager and certainly don't want to be in a position where that loyalty is tested against contractual duty to a client. Its a strange situation to be in - have a think about it from my perspective, rather than using it as an excuse to have a pop at an old foe.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2017 13:07:59 GMT
Thinking about it from your point of view though you have pretty much covered your arse.
If no one questions him you look in the know and no one can prove otherwise as you won't give any evidence.
And if someone does question him and it leads to this information coming out you can claim, look at my posts I've been forced into it and never wanted it to happen blame _____For making me.
Darryl has given his version of events. If like u say u want the club to move forward leave it at that, I'm sure mr sartori won't care one bit what a couple of people are saying about him on a fans forum. If you strongly disagree with what Darryl has said then say so. Sitting on the fence will only get u splinters in your arse 😉
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