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Post by brassmonkey on Jul 19, 2017 20:54:15 GMT
Our left side and strike force looked very weak tonight.
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 19, 2017 20:54:24 GMT
Lundstram off then paperwork finalised tomorrow. Refreshingly open interview from Pep.
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Post by bigcrompy on Jul 19, 2017 21:00:03 GMT
Lundstram off then paperwork finalised tomorrow. Refreshingly open interview from Pep. You don't think Appleton's interviews were entirely honest then...?
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 19, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
Refreshingly open interview from Pep. You don't think Appleton's interviews were entirely honest then...? It was not a comparison comment.
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Post by makv on Jul 19, 2017 21:09:24 GMT
Lundstram off then paperwork finalised tomorrow. Refreshingly open interview from Pep. What did he say?
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 19, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
Refreshingly open interview from Pep. What did he say? Lunny going as long as the detail of the deal is right for OUFC or words to that effect.
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Post by shosho on Jul 19, 2017 21:16:56 GMT
Refreshingly open interview from Pep. What did he say? Said he focuses on the collective rather than individuals. Good that we are playing championship opposition in friendlies...however can be negative as they have more ability to impress their game on you Today shows strengths (in attack, pressing etc), but also weakness that Brentford could exploit Lundstram - have had a proposition from Sheffield United. He will look at the paper work in the morning, but thanks JL for his contribution.
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 19, 2017 21:24:16 GMT
Refreshingly open interview from Pep. What did he say? Lunny going as long as the detail of the deal is right for OUFC or words to that effect.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jul 19, 2017 21:31:50 GMT
I have to say, I really think we are in need of one more striker and a right wing option with pace. Plus getting a left back in, whether that's the young lad Hanley or someone else, purely so we have A left back.
We are also very very young in centre midfield. Think Ruffles is the oldest CM in the entire squad and he's 23.
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Post by makv on Jul 19, 2017 21:32:23 GMT
Said he focuses on the collective rather than individuals. Good that we are playing championship opposition in friendlies...however can be negative as they have more ability to impress their game on you Today shows strengths (in attack, pressing etc), but also weakness that Brentford could exploit Lundstram - have had a proposition from Sheffield United. He will look at the paper work in the morning, but thanks JL for his contribution. Definitely more than MApp would have said. I like it.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Jul 19, 2017 21:42:46 GMT
Quite an entertaining game as friendlies go though we tired visibly across the pitch in the last quarter.. Hardly surprising considering its probably our first really competitive friendly on a decent pitch. I agree with what one or two have said..exposed at times down the left flank. I thought Hall looked good and Ribeiro looks a good footballer. I would like to think the team that started is the basis of this seasons title winning side !! Some nice passages of play interspersed with momentary lapses in concentration.. One or two of the Brentford lads were well put together and a bit of a handful in the first 30 minutes or so. Shame there weren't a few more there.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 19, 2017 21:55:24 GMT
Quite an entertaining game as friendlies go though we tired visibly across the pitch in the last quarter.. Hardly surprising considering its probably our first really competitive friendly on a decent pitch. I agree with what one or two have said..exposed at times down the left flank. I thought Hall looked good and Ribeiro looks a good footballer. I would like to think the team that started is the basis of this seasons title winning side !! Some nice passages of play interspersed with momentary lapses in concentration.. One or two of the Brentford lads were well put together and a bit of a handful in the first 30 minutes or so. Shame there weren't a few more there. Sorry to put a damper on your post but on that performance that is not this seasons title winning side, We need a much better striker than what we have seen tonight or at least a striker that could complement our strikers. As Brentford strikers proved with their runs tonight they left our defence at sixes and sevens. There still requires a lot of work to make our team be in contention for at least a play off place.
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Post by yellowbow on Jul 19, 2017 22:12:08 GMT
Personally I thought it was a really good game tonight played at an unusually high tempo for a friendly. I was really impressed with Brentford and thought there were some good performances from some of our lads: Hall, Henry, Keleher, Thomas in flashes and Ledson all did well. I was a bit alarmed with Shearer though, improved as the game went on but was a bit shaky to start with.
The last 20 mins or so highlighted our issues, they were able to bring on 6 or 7 subs as good as the starting eleven while we brought on a couple of trialists who did ok but looked a bit rusty to me..
Did anyone else notice that Johnson seemed to take his time leaving the pitch tonight? He was the last one to walk off at the end. Probably/hopefully nothing in it.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jul 19, 2017 22:23:43 GMT
^^^ Kelleher didn't play. That was Martin at the back. Raglan replaced him for the last 15 minutes or so.
Thought Martin was poor - woefully slow and kept diving in because he couldn't get to the ball. Would've been sent off for two bookings in a competitive game. Isn't clever enough in the brain to compensate for lack of pace like some are.
Shearer looked rubbish - I hope Eastwood is fine for the start of the season. And I'm never going to be sold on Wes Thomas. Poor body language, makes a couple of runs to close people down in quick succession early on and then doesn't do it for the rest of the game, is always 30 yards or more away from his strike partner when he needs to be closer etc. He isn't good.
What I will say is that compared to 12 months ago we are in a better place. Our squad at this stage last season was very ropey and we started the season poorly as a result. We at least have a squad peppered with quality and in slightly better numbers. A year ago we would've been spanked tonight - as it was we only lost to a fairly late winner because Eastwood wasn't in goal and therefore we shipped a hatful despite scoring three.
We won't play teams as good as Brentford very often at all in L1. There is reason to look forward to the start of the season.
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Post by highlights on Jul 19, 2017 22:31:58 GMT
Snuck in to watch tonight. Enjoyable game! Main points:
- I'm so sick of watching Johnson play LB - I counted 10 times he was caught badly out of position. The second goal in particular he had gone totally walkabout. The man simply does not understand the position play of a LB. He will cost us 10 goals a season there, minimum. - God I bloody love Curtis Nelson. Such a classy player. A real example of where we're heading. - Martin troubled me. Looked uncomfortable in possession and lunged into needlessly. Gulf of class between Nelson and Martin was apparent. - I like Rothwell as our playmaker, I think he offers more than Lunny. But I'd like to see him at the tip of a midfield three. - Thomas adds a lot to us. He didn't have the best of games tonight, but he's unusually quick for a target man - our play felt so much more joined up when he was involved.
Oh and Jota. Good god. He was an utter joy to watch. Oozes class. No-one managed to lay a finger on him. One of the best players I've seen in the flesh outside the Premier League for some time.
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Post by jambon46 on Jul 19, 2017 23:55:04 GMT
Snuck in to watch tonight. Enjoyable game! Main points: - I'm so sick of watching Johnson play LB - I counted 10 times he was caught badly out of position. The second goal in particular he had gone totally walkabout. The man simply does not understand the position play of a LB. He will cost us 10 goals a season there, minimum. - God I bloody love Curtis Nelson. Such a classy player. A real example of where we're heading. - Martin troubled me. Looked uncomfortable in possession and lunged into needlessly. Gulf of class between Nelson and Martin was apparent. - I like Rothwell as our playmaker, I think he offers more than Lunny. But I'd like to see him at the tip of a midfield three. - Thomas adds a lot to us. He didn't have the best of games tonight, but he's unusually quick for a target man - our play felt so much more joined up when he was involved. Oh and Jota. Good god. He was an utter joy to watch. Oozes class. No-one managed to lay a finger on him. One of the best players I've seen in the flesh outside the Premier League for some time. With Johnson at LB it's a bit like the emperors new clothes before the middle of last season he had never had the need to be a defender but all of a sudden he's a wing back, he's not a defender, but when he got forward he was excellent, he is a 'winger' , Brentford passed the ball with ease and their full backs were very switched on going forward. That said the spine of our team has to be Eastwood, Nelson, Lego, Rothwell and Thomas/Hemmings these lads seem to have a bit of fire in them, the other players will fall into place and understand what the team ethos is. COYY
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 20, 2017 0:12:51 GMT
I do admire the style and stability of Brentford. A team to look towards for inspiration.
We were well outplayed tonight, despite a few decent attacking moves. Looking a good bet for mid table/top half again, not that that would be a bad thing. Obviously nothing can definitively be said until closer to Christmas. Johnson looked good. Some sloppy passing on both sides.
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Post by eighteen93 on Jul 20, 2017 4:43:59 GMT
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Post by londonroader on Jul 20, 2017 6:54:13 GMT
Pep has more work to do on and off the field to get us in the mix at the end of the season.
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Post by edinburghyellow on Jul 20, 2017 7:02:22 GMT
Few observations from last night's game:
Positives - Curtis Nelson immense, again. Ability to control the ball and drive out of defence was (and will be) exceptional in relieving pressure when we were on the back foot. - Rothwell did not look out of place alongside Ledson. His ability to run with the ball at his feet is incredible - think I remember MApp once saying that he thought Rothwell was the best in the squad at running with the ball?
Concerns - We looked very vulnerable on the break. Think that Lunny/Lego are both more defensively minded and playing in a 4-4-2 with Rothwell in the middle (more attacking-minded) means we are a little more exposed. - Squad depth in attacking departments quite worrying - didn't think Shaban (trialist) looked very good at all.
Overall there were definitely positives to take from the game yesterday and regardless of the upheaval this summer we do still have a very strong squad core (Nelson, Ledson, Rothwell, Johnson, Hall). I just hope over the coming weeks we do not start to panic buy. The trialist LB for example.. surely we do not want to be looking at players that Northampton have deemed surplus to requirement?
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Post by dabigfella on Jul 20, 2017 8:04:14 GMT
The only really outstanding observation for me is that we most definitely need a left back. Johnson has never been one, isn't one now and probably wont ever be one. The combination of Hall and Johnson was superb going forward. But defensively a shambles. The fact that Hall probably put in more effective defensive tackles than Johnson says a lot. One of the problems that impeded Aaron Martin's performance was that he was continually dragged out wide to cover when Johnson went missing (either through being way up field or through poor positioning)! Leaving a gaping hole in the middle for Brentford to exploit.
Having said that the rest of the side performed well against a really good Brentford side and with the addition of a left back I can see this side doing well in League Two this season.
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Post by Bue Guado on Jul 20, 2017 8:25:40 GMT
The only really outstanding observation for me is that we most definitely need a left back. Johnson has never been one, isn't one now and probably wont ever be one. The combination of Hall and Johnson was superb going forward. But defensively a shambles. The fact that Hall probably put in more effective defensive tackles than Johnson says a lot. One of the problems that impeded Aaron Martin's performance was that he was continually dragged out wide to cover when Johnson went missing (either through being way up field or through poor positioning)! Leaving a gaping hole in the middle for Brentford to exploit. Having said that the rest of the side performed well against a really good Brentford side and with the addition of a left back I can see this side doing well in League Two this season. Christ, how many additions will we need to survive League One then?
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Post by essexyellows on Jul 20, 2017 8:28:46 GMT
Quite an entertaining game as friendlies go though we tired visibly across the pitch in the last quarter.. Hardly surprising considering its probably our first really competitive friendly on a decent pitch. I agree with what one or two have said..exposed at times down the left flank. I thought Hall looked good and Ribeiro looks a good footballer. I would like to think the team that started is the basis of this seasons title winning side !! Some nice passages of play interspersed with momentary lapses in concentration.. One or two of the Brentford lads were well put together and a bit of a handful in the first 30 minutes or so. Shame there weren't a few more there. Sorry to put a damper on your post but on that performance that is not this seasons title winning side, We need a much better striker than what we have seen tonight or at least a striker that could complement our strikers. As Brentford strikers proved with their runs tonight they left our defence at sixes and sevens. There still requires a lot of work to make our team be in contention for at least a play off place. We do understand the concept of pre-season friendlies against higher level opposition don`t we? Its a test and a learning opportunity. 2,200 is abysmal......they should let ST holders in for free.
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Post by concretebob on Jul 20, 2017 8:35:26 GMT
Sorry to put a damper on your post but on that performance that is not this seasons title winning side, We need a much better striker than what we have seen tonight or at least a striker that could complement our strikers. As Brentford strikers proved with their runs tonight they left our defence at sixes and sevens. There still requires a lot of work to make our team be in contention for at least a play off place. We do understand the concept of pre-season friendlies against higher level opposition don`t we? Its a test and a learning opportunity. 2,200 is abysmal......they should let ST holders in for free. Bazzer loves misery though.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 20, 2017 8:36:54 GMT
Sorry to put a damper on your post but on that performance that is not this seasons title winning side, We need a much better striker than what we have seen tonight or at least a striker that could complement our strikers. As Brentford strikers proved with their runs tonight they left our defence at sixes and sevens. There still requires a lot of work to make our team be in contention for at least a play off place. We do understand the concept of pre-season friendlies against higher level opposition don`t we? Its a test and a learning opportunity. 2,200 is abysmal......they should let ST holders in for free. I agree it's a test and a learning curve but last nights game made us look less than average. It maybe brutal buts it's honest
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 20, 2017 8:37:45 GMT
We do understand the concept of pre-season friendlies against higher level opposition don`t we? Its a test and a learning opportunity. 2,200 is abysmal......they should let ST holders in for free. Bazzer loves misery though. Just being honest Bob
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Post by McVicar on Jul 20, 2017 8:38:42 GMT
I can't quite decide how I feel after watching the game - I know it's still pre-season and all that but there were certainly very woeful parts that had me thinking it was going to be a very long season. Then to somehow be 3-2 up I thought well we did actually look good going forward - Hall, Hemmings and Johnson all in the main contributing very well. Was looking forward to seeing James Henry but to be honest he did not get involved very much, despite scoring. Wes Thomas - will score a few but just does not do enough for me. Will be interesting to see how Obika fits in as I think we are crying out for a decent centre forward still. Raglan over Martin every day of the week. Also think we need a little bit more flair in the middle of the park. But overall not too downbeat.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 20, 2017 8:43:33 GMT
Few observations from last night's game: Positives - Curtis Nelson immense, again. Ability to control the ball and drive out of defence was (and will be) exceptional in relieving pressure when we were on the back foot. - Rothwell did not look out of place alongside Ledson. His ability to run with the ball at his feet is incredible - think I remember MApp once saying that he thought Rothwell was the best in the squad at running with the ball? Concerns - We looked very vulnerable on the break. Think that Lunny/Lego are both more defensively minded and playing in a 4-4-2 with Rothwell in the middle (more attacking-minded) means we are a little more exposed. - Squad depth in attacking departments quite worrying - didn't think Shaban (trialist) looked very good at all. Overall there were definitely positives to take from the game yesterday and regardless of the upheaval this summer we do still have a very strong squad core (Nelson, Ledson, Rothwell, Johnson, Hall). I just hope over the coming weeks we do not start to panic buy. The trialist LB for example.. surely we do not want to be looking at players that Northampton have deemed surplus to requirement? Northampton fans are glad he's gone
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Post by ontheup01 on Jul 20, 2017 9:13:05 GMT
The only really outstanding observation for me is that we most definitely need a left back. Johnson has never been one, isn't one now and probably wont ever be one. The combination of Hall and Johnson was superb going forward. But defensively a shambles. The fact that Hall probably put in more effective defensive tackles than Johnson says a lot. One of the problems that impeded Aaron Martin's performance was that he was continually dragged out wide to cover when Johnson went missing (either through being way up field or through poor positioning)! Leaving a gaping hole in the middle for Brentford to exploit. Having said that the rest of the side performed well against a really good Brentford side and with the addition of a left back I can see this side doing well in League Two this season. Tend to agree with most of this. A decent performance in a number of areas against a far superior team. A number of our lads showed up well against Championship quality. We looked dangerous at times going forward and slotted a few away. Thought Nelson was strong but positionally gets lost at times. Hall and Johnson did well going forward but our left flank was an easy way in for them. Must sort this out. Ribeiro and Henry defended well against a clever pacey B's attack, with Henry slotting a goal. Martin looks off the pace as yet, hopefully it's just a result of a season out. Midfield did ok but had a tough night against a strong Championship CM set up. With JL going we need an experienced CM who has a good range of passing. Up front we have a couple of similar players, playing off the shoulder, but the need for a strong pacey, centre forward who can hold the ball up is a priority. Overall I'm sure the Mgr can clearly see where where we are. Good workout against good quality opposition. Think Saturday will show some rotation as we work to get everyone up to speed for the Oldham game. 👍
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Post by oufc28 on Jul 20, 2017 9:15:45 GMT
I'm slightly amused by all the negativity towards Thomas. When we didn't have a 'fox in the box' style striker people moaned that none of or strikers are ever in the right place at the right time. Now we have that in Thomas, who has the knack of popping up in the box where the ball usually is, people then moan he hasn't run 10 miles the previous 10 minutes before that. If there was a player who could run all game, tackle all game and net on a regular basis then they certainly wouldn't be in our league. Look at billy sharpe last season hardly the most mobile striker I've ever seen but he knew where to be and had composure to finish. People need to look at the player Thomas is and not what they want him to be.
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