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Post by Belgian Yellow on Jul 4, 2017 20:06:01 GMT
What a joke they are now! What a shocker for Scottish football. What does that say about the standard North of the border?
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 4, 2017 20:34:18 GMT
That result had me proper chuckling.
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Post by foley on Jul 4, 2017 20:52:27 GMT
Embarrassing and a pretty disgraceful result bearing in mind the fact that Rangers are almost certainly the second best resources team in Scotland.
Luxembourg part timers ..... oh dear
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 5, 2017 5:43:40 GMT
The standard of Scottish football is probably as bad as it has ever been IMO. You get Scottish premiership teams signing up mid table conference players who are then starting week in, week out. You rarely see Championship players going up to Scotland unless its for a big wage at Celtic or Rangers.
Yet Simon Ferry says it is easier to play in England ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40469729
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Post by Toeby on Jul 5, 2017 7:46:42 GMT
The standard of Scottish football is probably as bad as it has ever been IMO. You get Scottish premiership teams signing up mid table conference players who are then starting week in, week out. You rarely see Championship players going up to Scotland unless its for a big wage at Celtic or Rangers.
Yet Simon Ferry says it is easier to play in England ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40469729
I saw that article from Ferry and I couldn't help think it was because a lot of his appearances in England came in a Swindon team that massively outspent everyone else in the league. I'm sure most people would find it easier to play in those sorts of teams.
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Post by cj on Jul 5, 2017 8:48:32 GMT
If Rangers and Celtic think they can join our Championship they soon find their way down to the bloody conference!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 5, 2017 9:23:59 GMT
If Rangers and Celtic think they can join our Championship they soon find their way down to the bloody conference! I think Celtic would be around lower half of the championship but Rangers would currently be League 1 at best.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 5, 2017 10:42:13 GMT
SPL is p*ss poor, and it has been for years, and I think our acquisition of Kane Hemmings puts that into perspective. He finished 2nd top scorer in the SPL for Dundee, and then decided he wants to better his career by joining a club that just got promoted from the 4th tier of English football.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 5, 2017 11:52:46 GMT
If Rangers and Celtic think they can join our Championship they soon find their way down to the bloody conference! I think Celtic would be around lower half of the championship but Rangers would currently be League 1 at best. Celtic would be higher than that with the team they had last season, I saw a fair bit of them and they were decent, comfortably mid table in the prem, over the two games against Man City they were the better team as well and were unlucky to draw both. Celtic were miles above the rest though, they drew 4 and won the rest of around 50 domestic fixtures, they were an outlier and the rest of Scottish football is far, far behind them.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 5, 2017 12:18:57 GMT
Celtic's issue would come from playing at a higher standard week after week after week. It's very easy motivating themselves for one off games knowing they can likely coast and win in the league. Not to say they aren't good, but they are by far the biggest fish in a small pond.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jul 5, 2017 12:49:06 GMT
To be fair though if Celtic were to start in the championship they would have a lot of pulling power recruitment wise so could potentially do a lot better.
Wouldn't ever want to see it mind.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 5, 2017 12:55:38 GMT
Absolutely, but they'd find it hard when clubs like Stoke and Bournemouth have similar spending power. They have been insulated from the madness going on south of the border and would take some time to get going.
I hope it never happens
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Post by foley on Jul 5, 2017 13:05:50 GMT
Absolutely, but they'd find it hard when clubs like Stoke and Bournemouth have similar spending power. They have been insulated from the madness going on south of the border and would take some time to get going. I hope it never happensI can't see why it would ever happen. Turkeys voting for Christmas, issues with the Champions League etc. Far ore likely in my view is there being a second class European League. The top Dutch, Scottish, Belgian, Greek and even Dutch teams (so large clubs in leagues with little real competition) in a league which at least gives competitive games. If Celtic/ Rangers left the Scottish league I know that from a money perspective it would be a short term disaster, but the league would suddenly be competitive (Hearts, Hibs, Dundee, Aberdeen, Dundee United could actually believe that they could win the League one day)
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 5, 2017 14:24:33 GMT
Celtic's issue would come from playing at a higher standard week after week after week. It's very easy motivating themselves for one off games knowing they can likely coast and win in the league. Not to say they aren't good, but they are by far the biggest fish in a small pond. I am not certain the premier league is that much of a higher level though, it's better and it's obviously much richer, but it's massively over hyped (would say over rated but it's not that rated on the continent), while it's an exciting league I can't see a team coming from the bottom half and winning one of the other major leagues like has happened in England the last two years. If Celtic had been promoted to the premier league this season say (and they would of been, they were a better team than Newcastle and Brighton) they would stay up if the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley can, then with access to the premier league pot of gold they would be challenging with in a few years, they are a massive club with a worldwide appeal, far bigger than spurs and Man City. The reason premier league clubs won't let them in (and it's English clubs right not to), is they know they would be a threat.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jul 5, 2017 16:41:31 GMT
Celtic's issue would come from playing at a higher standard week after week after week. It's very easy motivating themselves for one off games knowing they can likely coast and win in the league. Not to say they aren't good, but they are by far the biggest fish in a small pond. I am not certain the premier league is that much of a higher level though, it's better and it's obviously much richer, but it's massively over hyped (would say over rated but it's not that rated on the continent), while it's an exciting league I can't see a team coming from the bottom half and winning one of the other major leagues like has happened in England the last two years. If Celtic had been promoted to the premier league this season say (and they would of been, they were a better team than Newcastle and Brighton) they would stay up if the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley can, then with access to the premier league pot of gold they would be challenging with in a few years, they are a massive club with a worldwide appeal, far bigger than spurs and Man City. The reason premier league clubs won't let them in (and it's English clubs right not to), is they know they would be a threat. Don't think it's being a threat. It's being fair. Start at the bottom of the pyramid and work your way up.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 5, 2017 20:32:52 GMT
Celtic's issue would come from playing at a higher standard week after week after week. It's very easy motivating themselves for one off games knowing they can likely coast and win in the league. Not to say they aren't good, but they are by far the biggest fish in a small pond. I am not certain the premier league is that much of a higher level though, it's better and it's obviously much richer, but it's massively over hyped (would say over rated but it's not that rated on the continent), while it's an exciting league I can't see a team coming from the bottom half and winning one of the other major leagues like has happened in England the last two years. If Celtic had been promoted to the premier league this season say (and they would of been, they were a better team than Newcastle and Brighton) they would stay up if the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley can, then with access to the premier league pot of gold they would be challenging with in a few years, they are a massive club with a worldwide appeal, far bigger than spurs and Man City. The reason premier league clubs won't let them in (and it's English clubs right not to), is they know they would be a threat. Scott Sinclair. Has struggled to look good in good and bad teams in the Premier League, but has gone north of the border and looks a quality player. I do think he is a talented lad, but it's easy to look good when you have gimme games every month and the pressure is on and off. Could they be a threat longer term? Possibly, but they will be years behind clubs in England in terms of spending and I think you overrate them a touch as they are today. The Premier League has levelled off in terms of quality in recent teams, which hides how many teams have real quality in them now and how much better our coaching now is. Outside of the free kicks, Lee Griffiths looked like a donkey when playing against better players. It's no wonder he struggled in the Championship
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 6, 2017 8:40:14 GMT
I am not certain the premier league is that much of a higher level though, it's better and it's obviously much richer, but it's massively over hyped (would say over rated but it's not that rated on the continent), while it's an exciting league I can't see a team coming from the bottom half and winning one of the other major leagues like has happened in England the last two years. If Celtic had been promoted to the premier league this season say (and they would of been, they were a better team than Newcastle and Brighton) they would stay up if the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley can, then with access to the premier league pot of gold they would be challenging with in a few years, they are a massive club with a worldwide appeal, far bigger than spurs and Man City. The reason premier league clubs won't let them in (and it's English clubs right not to), is they know they would be a threat. Don't think it's being a threat. It's being fair. Start at the bottom of the pyramid and work your way up. Totally agree. To shoehorn a team into the Premier League, means that one less team can get promoted from the Championship. The Championship teams would quite rightly be incredulous with such a suggestion. If Celtic join the English setup, then they essentially starting as a new club - a bit like when former football league clubs like Darlington, Halifax, Aldershot, Newport, Chester etc folded - they must start from the bottom of the pyramid and work their way up.
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Post by tonyw on Jul 6, 2017 17:51:34 GMT
In terms of UEFA coefficient, Scotland are now ranked the 26th strongest league in Europe, behind such footballing titans as Belarus, Azerbaijan and Cyprus.
Given that half of their 2017-18 European contingent have now been knocked out before the end of the first week in July.....there's only one direction that ranking's going to go this season!
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Post by mooro on Jul 7, 2017 10:30:57 GMT
Sounds like the new 'foriegn' manager went out and brought in a load of 'foriegn' players (not sure why I'm using speechmarks) and funnily enough they failed.
If there had been any sense in anything in Scotland this season it would have been a well-known SCottish manager joining Rangers and hoovering up the best young Scottish talent from across the SPL (that Celtic haven't already) so that they can build into being the clear 2nd side in the league and develop a bigger challenge in the seasons to come - this was not the time to go down the 'foriegn route'.
As for Celtic, I still think the old Atlantic League idea was the best - take the big fish from the little ponds of Scotland, Holland, Belgium, and put them into a league of their own tor raise the standard of opposition each face, and then allow the domestic leagues to function in a more competitive environment without one or two teams ending up dozens of points clear....
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 7, 2017 11:15:27 GMT
In terms of UEFA coefficient, Scotland are now ranked the 26th strongest league in Europe, behind such footballing titans as Belarus, Azerbaijan and Cyprus. Given that half of their 2017-18 European contingent have now been knocked out before the end of the first week in July.....there's only one direction that ranking's going to go this season! I know they arent football powerhouses but Azerbaijan and Belarus have double the population of Scotland...so no huge surprise they are better...
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Post by ox4eva on Jul 9, 2017 12:29:45 GMT
Rangers were terrible and hopefully Dorans and Alves will help.
Having attended Scottish football regularly for near on 36 years I can say the overall standard has certainly dropped.
Celtic won it so easily last year and apart from 2 or 3 good quality players they are actually not up to much.
I will still follow follow though.
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